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no, I posted that earlier, wasn't suggesting you!
ah it was the multiquote fail I think :).

It has been pointed out to her numerous times but other than the odd one removed the foals seem to still be altogether, from all the lives I HAVE watched and that are the sole generator of all the concerns for me, not a single one gives me any confidence about the care of the horses. Doesn't matter how many times someone suggests I watch them, they don't change.
 

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Of course, there are 2 sides of the truth always, I just feel Karen's is more realistic given what has been shown and not shown from the live videos.

I have been on there website (assume that's what you mean by site) I am also on their facebook page and have watched many of the live videos Sandra posts.

You keep saying to visit the sanctuary but haven't visited yourself? To be truthfully honest, I don't want to visit the 'sanctuary' as I think it would both upset and enrage me. Plus I am not sure I would be welcome given the amount of name drops she provided in her live videos from people that are haters or backstabbers.It's not a professional set up and I do feel that that peoples naivety and generosity are being taken for granted.

As I'm currently in a wheelchair, it hasn't been possible to visit. I'm hoping that four years of one thing after another is coming to an end, and I can get on my feet again.....and even ride again. So, no, no visits from me. All I can say is that she touches my heart. She may not do everything right, but she tries. Who else would have taken on 40 foals?? :)
 

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Oh come on. You’re really going to use that one?

With all due respect, if you don’t know even the basics, then being in the ‘rescue’ game is best left to the professionals.

Even if you do manage to save lives? These foals have been wormed, have had their feet trimmed, etc. And they are eating. I agree that the smaller ones should have been taken aside and more attention given to them, but I'm not there. I really wish I could go and have a look. x

Btw, what do you mean by.......
You’re really going to use that one? And I'm not in the rescue business?
 
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Even if you do manage to save lives? x

At what cost? Replacing one bad situation for another?

Sadly anyone can set themselves up as a ‘rescue’. Qualifications aren’t needed. And sadly many of these rescues prey on people who are gullible and have little equine (or other) experience themselves. This is why it’s so important that people do their homework.

The woman probably has good intentions. But the husbandry and management skills are diabolical.

Winter is coming, a number of those foals won’t survive in their survival of the fittest environment.
 

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At what cost? Replacing one bad situation for another?

Sadly anyone can set themselves up as a ‘rescue’. Qualifications aren’t needed. And sadly many of these rescues prey on people who are gullible and have little equine (or other) experience themselves. This is why it’s so important that people do their homework.

The woman probably has good intentions. But the husbandry and management skills are diabolical.

Winter is coming, a number of those foals won’t survive in their survival of the fittest environment.

The foals are being rehomed, after the homes are vetted, so they will not be fighting to survive through the winter.
 

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Meaning what exactly?

meaning exactly that, that the foals did not just mean more attention. Care, strategic feeding, monitoring of intake etc would all have been good.

I'm glad that all the foals have homes lined up already so they are in their new homes in the next few weeks.
 

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They’re all going in the next eight weeks?

I believe so. People are being vetted now. The foals are eating well, half of them had their feet done again today, and the other half are being done in the next few days. They are are chipped and pass-ported. Pass-ported to WWS so that if anything goes wrong, they can take the pony back if necessary.
 

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I'll admit, I'm sceptical. All those foals are suddenly found homes for £200+ a pop? All those coloured cob colts, of which we have a glut of in the UK? It would certainly be great if they have all find homes and I truly hope that is the case for their sake and WW, but knowing WW we won't get any actual proof that they're gone off to new homes, just like we haven't received proof for a lot of things.
 

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I'll admit, I'm sceptical. All those foals are suddenly found homes for £200+ a pop? All those coloured cob colts, of which we have a glut of in the UK? It would certainly be great if they have all find homes and I truly hope that is the case for their sake and WW, but knowing WW we won't get any actual proof that they're gone off to new homes, just like we haven't received proof for a lot of things.

Where did you get £200 a pop from?
 

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that's what the advert that apparently didn't come from WW had them at
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They have been wormed, etc. And to say that I should know better, or I don't care, is just downright insulting. I'm not saying that Sandra is perfect, but who is? Those foals (and other horses in her care) will now have new homes and good lives. Not bad for someone who doesn't know what she's doing.
 

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That was original thought clodagh but I think it became apparent that they all came from the same guy who offloads (sells) them to different 'charities' every year.

We must be watching very different videos, I'm pretty gobsmacked that anyone can watch them and think those foals have all been well cared for.

They're being cared for as well as is possible when you have 40 of them!! She's doing a better job than the Rspca would have done, that's for sure. I've watched their "care" and it's sheer neglect. Allowing all but 7 of the Coney Lane horses starve to death in a yard they put them in!!! They make me spit with hatred.
 

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30 odd foals before Christmas will be no mean feet.

Let’s hope that they get split up before then so that the smaller ones can receive the nutritional support they need. They are not thriving.

Well, they are all going to individual (vetted) homes, so you needn't worry about them not thriving.
 

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I'll admit, I'm sceptical. All those foals are suddenly found homes for £200+ a pop? All those coloured cob colts, of which we have a glut of in the UK? It would certainly be great if they have all find homes and I truly hope that is the case for their sake and WW, but knowing WW we won't get any actual proof that they're gone off to new homes, just like we haven't received proof for a lot of things.

That was a scam.....someone pinched the pic and put that price up.
 

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I'll admit, I'm sceptical. All those foals are suddenly found homes for £200+ a pop? All those coloured cob colts, of which we have a glut of in the UK? It would certainly be great if they have all find homes and I truly hope that is the case for their sake and WW, but knowing WW we won't get any actual proof that they're gone off to new homes, just like we haven't received proof for a lot of things.

They're going to people who are following WWS. They're not going for £200......that was a scam and nothing to do with WWS.
 

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'as well as possible' doesn't appear to be good enough to a lot of people. I've never understood why splitting them has been so impossible, or a better feeding regime than they have employed.

RSPCA fans on here you will find are fairly few and far between, we've been there too many times.
 

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Yes, but they should be thriving now - given smaller groups and individual management. You do understand that don’t you?

Yes, of course I understand. I'm a BHSAI (not that that counts for much, depends where you got it....and I'm showing my age! lol) and if it was my yard things would have been different. But it's not, and she's done her best......I take my hat off to her. These foals will have good lives. No starving to death on a Rspca watch for them. Gotta go.....off on holiday tomorrow. :)
 

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I could have sworn it was previously a £200 rehoming fee, with the fee supposedly going towards their gelding on the condition they were brought back to WW for gelding, not that dopey advert that appeared, this was from well before that advert appeared. Unless that has changed and they're now rehoming for free?

yes hence saying it didn't come from WW, but I imagine that is where nasicus got the £200 that was all.
Nope, this is from before that, I know that advert was bogus.
 

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Attached screenshots of the page they started for Colt Rehoming.
Also mentions of rehoming fee in lives dating back to 19th July.
Not judging for asking a rehoming fee, but it's certainly a lot for what they are and how cheaply they can be picked up elsewhere, hence why I was sceptical that she's found homes for all of them. Also, who is carrying out the home checks? They've got less physical staff members than I have fingers. If they're getting followers to do the checks, what qualifies the followers to able to judge the homes?
 

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