Forestfreedom
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Has anyone ever seen or heard of a white or grey roan horse colouring ? Like, white, my can seen very very faded light grey patches, pink nose and pink around the eyes.
White/grey roan Colouring ?
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Meowy Catkin
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Do you have a photo?
SEL
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Photo would help but a friend had a little blue and white cob who by the age of around 10 is now totally white. When she's wet you can see her old markings on the skin underneath. Grey gene I assumed.
Forestfreedom
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Sort of like this, very pale white, but in some lights, there are very faded pale grey patches, but with pink around the eyes and a pink nose.
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Forestfreedom
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Sort of like this, but with pink around the eyes and pink nose
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Meowy Catkin
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The horse in the photo is grey. You can see where her blaze and white socks were (areas of pink skin) before she greyed out.
Forestfreedom
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Oh okay. What about this one? Is main colour is white but it has the grey in it too. Could it be called white or grey roan, is that a recognised colour name? I also found a picture of a horse in a game that looks similar if that helps? See how it has the grey colour but with faded white splash markings on it.
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Meowy Catkin
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In post 7, the first horse looks like an extreme 'sabino' or blagdon (maybe chestnut based?). The second horse is from a computer game but it sort of looks like a 'sabino' or blagdon but with a black base.
With grey horses, they have black skin (apart from white markings eg socks which have white skin) and are born 'a colour' and then go grey over time. Sort of like a human getting grey hair as they get older, only there is a specific gene that causes horses to grey out.
With a roan or a blagdon the horse is essentially born that colour (foal coat can be slightly different and there can be differences between winter and summer coat).
Here is my grey. She was born chestnut and then greyed out as she got older. She greyed fast and was pretty much 'white' by two years old as shown in the third photo.
With grey horses, they have black skin (apart from white markings eg socks which have white skin) and are born 'a colour' and then go grey over time. Sort of like a human getting grey hair as they get older, only there is a specific gene that causes horses to grey out.
With a roan or a blagdon the horse is essentially born that colour (foal coat can be slightly different and there can be differences between winter and summer coat).
Here is my grey. She was born chestnut and then greyed out as she got older. She greyed fast and was pretty much 'white' by two years old as shown in the third photo.
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Meowy Catkin
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Here we have a bay roan foal and a chestnut blagdon foal.
Leo Walker
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Faracats covered it nicely but mine is sort of the colour you mean but probably darker. She's black base with sabino esque gene. Blagdon in old money. She's pretty dark until I clip her when she goes a steely grey. Photo shows her clipped out a couple of days before
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Meowy Catkin
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Grey tobiano, so a 'historic' broken coloured horse (was a coloured horse, but greyed out so it's hard to see where the grey bits are and where the 'white' patches are - unless wet, as shown in one of your photos) or grey skewbald if you prefer.
Cortez
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Roan is not grey. It is a base colour - bay, chestnut, black, etc. - with white hairs running through it. Greys will eventually go white, roans may lighten slightly with age but will stay roan.
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Ahh thank you! In his passport he’s a historical coloured, makes sense now!
Inda
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Can I jump on this thread?
Does anyone have any idea why my grey PRE who started as a red dun is getting darker each year? Both parents are grey, dad a least carries the dun gene, her older sister was a chestnut dun who wasn't expressing the gene gene.
Does anyone have any idea why my grey PRE who started as a red dun is getting darker each year? Both parents are grey, dad a least carries the dun gene, her older sister was a chestnut dun who wasn't expressing the gene gene.
DabDab
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Two greys can have a non grey foal. They only need one copy of grey to show as grey so each parent could only have one grey gene each and neither of them pass it on. So your horse could just not be grey.
DabDab
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OP - the horse you describe could also be a fewspot appaloosa
Lois Lame
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Inda, I'm wondering if your grey is actually roan, not grey. Roan doesn't get lighter.
BTW, a big difference between grey and roan is that a roan's head will be solid coloured. A grey lightens on his/her head earlier than his/her body.
Forestfreedom, I think your horse is (in the old terminology) piebald or skewbald who went grey. This horse had white stockings and a lot of white on the face in early life. The pink skin is due to the white marking on the muzzle.
Roan probably doesn't come into the equation.
I don't think the horse is a few spot Appaloosa. If so, you would expect to see mottling around the eyes and a very sparse tail. Striped hoofs, too.
Leo Walker
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Roan would be very unusual in a PRE. Have you got any photos? Grey can do some very odd things especially over dun/buckskin.
Cortez
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There is a colour called grulla that is a kind of silvery roan with darker points (not always). It is one of the primitive colours and comes from the sorraia, a native breed that was one of the foundations of the PRE.
Leo Walker
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Grulla is black with dun, its not roan.
Inda
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Inda
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I couldn't figure out how to post on the comment, time line from youngest to oldest. I think she will grey out as her head has started going lighter than her body this year.
Leo Walker
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She is definitely graying out, shes just doing it quite slowly. Her foal coat was very pale but would have shedded out much darker if she didn't have the grey gene. Shes steel sort of colour now and will probably go dapple then gradually white.