whitney houston is dead

fizzer said:
Very sad, Its very easy to judge but unless we walk in someone elses shoes we do not know their pains.
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No one is saying otherwise:o

There just needs to be be some perspective - some of her 'pains' are as a direct result of her drug and aclohol abuse - taking both are intially a choice before getting sucked into the grip of addicition. Other tragedies are not self inflicited.:o
 
Slinkyunicorn said:
She was a mother and person but she still chose to use crack, heroin etc etc she had been in and out of rehab. She ultimately made the choice to keep using drugs - your body can only take so much abuse.:o She also had the money to keep feeding her addicition and the scumbags that feed of people like her:o

While it is sad when anyone loses their fight for life there are thousands out there who lose their fight from motor neurone, cancer etc :(

The outpouring of 'grief' for celebrities who die as a result of their long term drug abuse leaves me cold.:(

*retreats to shelter and dons tin hat*
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I do agree and I'm not particularly upset (I'm not into the music, I couldn't name a song of hers if you asked me to) but the jokes take it too far, I wouldn't wish that on anyone or their families to endure.
My ex boyfriend made a joke about Blobby and even though it had been a couple of years by then, it hurt very very badly. It's the only time I've ever properly lashed out and I caught him with my nails. Fond and funny memories are one thing, taking the utter mick is another!
I can't feel sorry for anyone who dies through drug abuse, but it's sad that a person is gone.
 
MickeyMoo said:
When I read about their depression etc I just think really, you don't know how lucky you are.
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The-mad-cat-lady said:
MM..you don't know how lucky you are not to be suffering from depression.
When that black cloud comes down all the money in the world won't make it go away.
It dosnt differenciate between rich or poor and its not just a case of feeling sorry for yourself.
It's a recognised illness.
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I agree with TMCL. Depression doesn't respect wealth, it happens regardless of circumstances.

I have no time for the outpourings of "grief" just because someone's famous, but that doesn't mean I don't think their death is sad. Just no sadder than any other early death.
 
The-mad-cat-lady said:
MM..you don't know how lucky you are not to be suffering from depression.
When that black cloud comes down all the money in the world won't make it go away.
It dosnt differenciate between rich or poor and its not just a case of feeling sorry for yourself.
It's a recognised illness.
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Depression was just an example used off the top of my head, didn't mean to offend anyone. x
 
FionaM12 said:
Even if it was your parent, brother, sister or lover? Or, heaven forbid, one day in the future, your child?
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None of my family would be that stupid. I dated someone who smoked various things and had taken stronger things, I told him so many times it was a road to ruin and he'd end up dead. I wouldn't feel sorry for him if he died, but I suspect he'll be safer for the time being. He's back in Hong Kong at his parents house, they are typical Asian parents and aren't scared of bringing the feather duster out.
I said I wouldn't feel sorry for them, I didn't say I wouldn't be upset. As my ex always used to say "It's my choice, not yours"
 
While I personally am not sad about the fact she has died I do feel for her daughter and other friends and family who had to watch her destroy her self with drugs. It was her choice to start drugs not her familys to watch her do that to her self and they are the ones left behind to pick up the pieces.
 
Annielusian said:
None of my family would be that stupid"
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I'm glad you can feel so sure of that. My friends son died of a reaction to an illegal drug 6 weeks before Christmas, she was certain he would never be so stupid as to take drugs to, he didn't even smoke cigarettes. What she didn't know was he had bi-polar and was struggling to cope.
It's easy to say 'she brought it on herself' when we don't know the full story, yes there are people who are dying from illnesses they have no control over, but at the end of the day they are all someones child,parent,spouse or sibling and to them the lose is as tragic no matter the cause.
 
I'm not affected by her death really. But I think the trouble is that celebrities are often there because they crave the limelight and are really needy people who need the adoration of other people to make them feel good. I think sadly many celebrities are actually quite fragile, whether thats a symptom or a cause of being famous I don't know.
 
Spiritedly said:
I'm glad you can feel so sure of that. My friends son died of a reaction to an illegal drug 6 weeks before Christmas, she was certain he would never be so stupid as to take drugs to, he didn't even smoke cigarettes. What she didn't know was he had bi-polar and was struggling to cope.
It's easy to say 'she brought it on herself' when we don't know the full story, yes there are people who are dying from illnesses they have no control over, but at the end of the day they are all someones child,parent,spouse or sibling and to them the lose is as tragic no matter the cause.
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I had it drilled into me that you don't have to take drugs regularly for them to take hold and kill you, just one time can kill, as your poor friends son proved :(
People are taking my point the wrong way. I'm not saying she deserved it, I'm saying it shouldn't be glorified by the media. Other help should be advertised and taking drugs should be properly shown for the evil it does.
 
Im sure there is a debate on drugs going on here, but i haven't read all the replies, but just saw this on the news again, and Im afraid I have little sympathy for people who kill themselves through drink and drug abuse, which is exactly what it was. And she had children to fight for... As far as I am concerned really, she did it to herself!
 
I think the difference is with celebrities who take drugs is that they literally have the dealers knocking on their doors offering the stuff.

They have unlimited funds and the dealers know this. They are a sure thing! Giving up when the dealers are chasing you rather than you looking for the stuff yourself must make it ten times harder. Too much temptation.

Addiction is such a powerful emotion.

I'm saddened but not shocked at her death. She's been on a downward spiral for some time now.

RIP Whitney.
 
Annielusian said:
I had it drilled into me that you don't have to take drugs regularly for them to take hold and kill you, just one time can kill, as your poor friends son proved :(
People are taking my point the wrong way. I'm not saying she deserved it, I'm saying it shouldn't be glorified by the media. Other help should be advertised and taking drugs should be properly shown for the evil it does.
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Most parents drum it into you not to take drugs!! Mine did. My brother still took them and got into a mess.. Lots of people had smug comments about how they would have done things differently. Unless you've tried you have no idea. My parents tried every thing from throwing him out to counselling - you name it. Your comments about how nobody in your family was that stupid just came across as young and thoughtless.

I agree in some points. I don't feel as sorry for someone that ruins their own life, but I do think its sad as there are family and friends around the deceased that will have been trying for years to try and stop it.

I believe that she was found in a hotel room following an awards party with prescription drugs. That seems to be a growing problem in the celeb world - addicts persuading doctors (£££?) to get them drugs. Quite worrying and sad.

Poor Whitney, what a shame. I remember how beautiful and talented (and seemingly in control) she was when I first heard Saving All my Love in the 80s. Its like her song lyric - Didn't We Nearly Have It All. She so nearly did and then threw it all away..
 
dressagelove said:
Im sure there is a debate on drugs going on here, but i haven't read all the replies, but just saw this on the news again, and Im afraid I have little sympathy for people who kill themselves through drink and drug abuse, which is exactly what it was. And she had children to fight for... As far as I am concerned really, she did it to herself!
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I do hope that is just your young age and naivety speaking and that goes for you too, Annielusian: "None of my family would be that stupid."

I also hope that as you grow older and wiser, you will come to understand that life can be a bitch, humans are fallible and nothing is black and white.

I don't often add to these threads, but Whitney was an amazing talent and 'part' of my late teens and early 20's - I hope she manages to rest in peace.
 
^^^^^^ This. (ETA there's been loads more posts, ezililaur's post!)

Its a real shame that her life went the way it did many years ago. I think celebrities never really hit that rock bottom. They have constant money coming in and a constant supply of whatever it is they are dependent on. They're wadded so plenty of people will always enable them to carry on living like that until it kills them so they are never in that much of a desperate situation that makes people find the strength to beat addictions. It is so sad, for Whitney and for all the others who are sure to follow.
 
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Mrs B said:
I do hope that is just your young age and naivety speaking and that goes for you too, Annielusian: "None of my family would be that stupid."

I also hope that as you grow older and wiser, you will come to understand that life can be a bitch, humans are fallible and nothing is black and white.

I don't often add to these threads, but Whitney was an amazing talent and 'part' of my late teens and early 20's - I hope she manages to rest in peace.
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Well maybe it is, I am only 23, but I haven't had an easy life, I have suffered from depression myself. Life is what you make of it, and if you can't help yourself, no one will do it for you.
As for the comments to the dealers coming and offering it to her knowing she had the funds is fine, and true, but that doesnt mean she couldnt beat it. We are all capable of great and terrible things, and in my opinion, really, who else is there to blame? We are all in control of our own path (to an extent!) But drug abuse is definitely something you can beat, many people have proven do.
 
I don't think anyone can say someone who gets addicted to drink or drugs or whatever it is is stupid. You can not know what goes through someone's head and you never know what is in front of you. I would hope that i would never get myself in a situation like this but I couldn't say 100% it would never happen.

yes, the media glorify it if that's how you see it but she was well known and tragically she certainly had the means and the finances to have sought help but the mind's a complex thing and who are we to comment on how she felt.

Gary Speed committed suicide not long before xmas - on the face of it, he looked to have everything, money, a lovely family, a good job etc etc. He still for some reason got that low he was driven to take his own life. He did not take drugs, he was not an alcoholic but noone will have know what was going through his head. People are speculating on Whitney's death but, for all we know she could have died of natural causes. A man at my work died last year, he just went to bed and never woke up, he was in his early 40's. It's sad and it's tragic whether a celebrity or not.
 
dressagelove said:
Well maybe it is, I am only 23, but I haven't had an easy life, I have suffered from depression myself. Life is what you make of it, and if you can't help yourself, no one will do it for you.
As for the comments to the dealers coming and offering it to her knowing she had the funds is fine, and true, but that doesnt mean she couldnt beat it. We are all capable of great and terrible things, and in my opinion, really, who else is there to blame? We are all in control of our own path (to an extent!) But drug abuse is definitely something you can beat, many people have proven do.
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I was going to type almost the same thing, so I'll just say 'this' (Only I'm 22!)
 
Also wanted to make the point that if celebs have mountains of money to throw at drugs, they will also most certainly have a huge back up team, lots of support and enough money to throw at rehab etc... so why does that make it easier just to continue taking drugs? Sounds like a cop out to me
 
dressagelove said:
Well maybe it is, I am only 23, but I haven't had an easy life, I have suffered from depression myself. Life is what you make of it, and if you can't help yourself, no one will do it for you.
As for the comments to the dealers coming and offering it to her knowing she had the funds is fine, and true, but that doesnt mean she couldnt beat it. We are all capable of great and terrible things, and in my opinion, really, who else is there to blame? We are all in control of our own path (to an extent!) But drug abuse is definitely something you can beat, many people have proven do.
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People differ in their ability to cope. Some people break down emotionally after the slightest misfortune; others are extremely resilient in the face of great hardship. Some people manage to beat drugs, others don’t. That’s just human nature. I don’t see much point in assigning blame, what purpose does it serve?
 
Again my comment to you is that I hope you learn that sometimes, people can't help themselves. Money doesn't help, either. And drug abuse, sadly, is by no stretch of the imagination 'something you can beat' with any certainty.
 
Well, duly noted, and I will bear it in mind.... unfortunately my would be reply to that is too extreme to post...
And im not blaming anyone, of course it is a terrible shame she has died, but the cause as to that death is in dispute I believe here? Anyhoo, RIP Whitney, I loved her music
 
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It is only as an adult (and I don't mean my early 20s) that I realise that addiction is an illness.
I used to be all moralistic and idealistic and self-righteous at that age too.
After my uncle died alone and friendless and I learned actually who he was and why he behaved in the way he did (TBH I am still learning) I stopped thinking of him as a embarrassing scumbag alkie who made everyone's life a misery, and started thinking of him as a human being with an illness.
Who's fault was it? His, without a doubt. He behaved appallingly and the alcohol helped bring a nasty side of him that was always there, out to the surface.
He destroyed two marriages and had four kids who probably still hate him. I don't see them any more.
But it doesn't stop me feeling sad for him and the rest of the family who suffered at his hands when he was in the depths of this addiction/illness.

You've kinda got to be there to understand, until then, happy moralising.
 
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dressagelove said:
Well, duly noted, and I will bear it in mind.... unfortunately my would be reply to that is too extreme to post...
And im not blaming anyone, of course it is a terrible shame she has died, but the cause as to that death is in dispute I believe here? Anyhoo, RIP Whitney, I loved her music
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Too extreme to post? I doubt that.
 
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