Whizzy pony is now too ploddy, thoughts please!

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Please bear with my pondering - I am just thinking out loud really but would welcome any thoughts!

My little Welsh cob (now 17, owned for 7 years) has been doing hacking only work (at least 4 times a week) for the last 21 months as we have moved house and yards a couple of times and I was busy getting hitched and lost my mojo for doing much else (I did do a couple of local hunts but no other comps).

As we are now settled in our new area I have tried to start schooling again but she has gone from a whizzy thing that always needed to be slowed down to a donkey that I can barely get to trot (I can, but it is hard work and she doesn't feel properly active). I have booked an instructor to come out next week to get us going again and to see what is going on from the ground - I can't decide if she is just lazy as it is hard work or if there is anything wrong? What should I look out for?

Out hacking she is pretty much as she has always been - she has gradually slowed down a bit from when she was younger, but in company still forward and although she is a bit stiff and clicky when stabled I have not noticed any lameness signs at all. On her own out hacking she is very ploddy of late as she is napping away from home, but much, much faster on the way home! We have been at new yard for 3 months and she is very settled but a bit bored out hacking as there aren't many people to ride out with.

She has been on a joint supplement for nearly a year, not overweight as she is tightly managed (muzzled at night, in with soaked hay by day) but she is nowhere near as fit as I used to have her when she was last in full work and doing some endurance comps. Her feed hasn't changed, fibre based with low calorie chaff and balancer.

If she really isn't up for schooling then I don't mind only hacking, although in winter that will mean weekends only - I am loathe to get a vet out to start investigating her legs without anything to go on if she is otherwise sound and happy as I think they will probably find all sorts wrong and then I'll get myself into a tizz about it all. However if new instructor notices anything obviously wrong then will get that looked at, as she is fully insured. She had a splint fracture 4 years ago and had surgery, but came back to schooling after that for 6 months and was as good as ever, until we started moving house and yards and I lost my mojo for it and only hacked.

Anyone had anything similar? I think arthritis is possible with her age but I also wonder if boredom and lack of schooling fitness is part of it plus the napping? She has never loved schooling but would do it, her evasion then was to rush so I am really unfamiliar with having to ride her forward and I also lack the fitness for it. How do you tell? is it best to just start the lessons and regular schooling and see if she either gets better or breaks?

She has regular saddle check and chiro and nothing untowards there. Front shoes only and no hoof issues.

Ho hum. Always something to worry about....
 
I'm normally the first to say get her checked out, but I'd be tempted to do the opposite in this case. It could well just be boredom and lack of fitness so I'd work, her keeping it very varied, to see if she improves as her fitness does. I'd also try to find some company on your hacks to liven them up a bit.

If it is a lameness issue, the increased work should help it show up so the vet will have something to investigate.

The other possibility is that she has just calmed down a bit. My old Welshie did when he hit about 19-20 so 17 is probably not far off for her to start maturing!
 
Really does sound like boredom. How about put some obstacles in the school, daft things like a cone with a flag in, a zig zag of poles, the inevitable tarp on the ground, an umbrella in one corner, balloons, and let her have some fun. Like pony club games ;) Nothing serious just stuff to build her enthusiasm a bit.
 
One possibility is to ask your vet about whether it would be worth doing a bute trial. If she gets a lot more forward on bute then you know her laziness is down to pain or discomfort of some sort.
 
My first thought was fitness, especially if you were doing endurance before, but if the napping is new behaviour I would find that worrying personally. I guess it would depend when it started, after the move to the new place or before that? Could it be rudeness because she has been doing less so she wants to continue doing less ;) or do you feel she is not coping with what you are asking her?

Is she generally pretty stoic? I've had horses with injuries that would have crippled another horse hardly even show they were in any discomfort let alone pain. If she is good at hiding pain then I'd be inclined to get her checked out. If not then I might try some other things first.

A thought could be as she's getting older maybe she is not digesting as well as before and needs a specialist supplement for veterans to get all her vits and mins?

Have you thought about trying her on turmeric? I have had great success with this for older/arthritic horses (and me!)

Hope you figure it out :)
 
Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but as you have not been doing much schooling yourself could you be the problem? Schooling is hard work- I can hack for 6 hours no worries but 5 minutes really schooling anything and I feel it!
 
Please bear with my pondering - I am just thinking out loud really but would welcome any thoughts!

My little Welsh cob (now 17, owned for 7 years) has been doing hacking only work (at least 4 times a week) for the last 21 months as we have moved house and yards a couple of times and I was busy getting hitched and lost my mojo for doing much else (I did do a couple of local hunts but no other comps).

As we are now settled in our new area I have tried to start schooling again but she has gone from a whizzy thing that always needed to be slowed down to a donkey that I can barely get to trot (I can, but it is hard work and she doesn't feel properly active). I have booked an instructor to come out next week to get us going again and to see what is going on from the ground - I can't decide if she is just lazy as it is hard work or if there is anything wrong? What should I look out for?

Out hacking she is pretty much as she has always been - she has gradually slowed down a bit from when she was younger, but in company still forward and although she is a bit stiff and clicky when stabled I have not noticed any lameness signs at all. On her own out hacking she is very ploddy of late as she is napping away from home, but much, much faster on the way home! We have been at new yard for 3 months and she is very settled but a bit bored out hacking as there aren't many people to ride out with.

She has been on a joint supplement for nearly a year, not overweight as she is tightly managed (muzzled at night, in with soaked hay by day) but she is nowhere near as fit as I used to have her when she was last in full work and doing some endurance comps. Her feed hasn't changed, fibre based with low calorie chaff and balancer.

If she really isn't up for schooling then I don't mind only hacking, although in winter that will mean weekends only - I am loathe to get a vet out to start investigating her legs without anything to go on if she is otherwise sound and happy as I think they will probably find all sorts wrong and then I'll get myself into a tizz about it all. However if new instructor notices anything obviously wrong then will get that looked at, as she is fully insured. She had a splint fracture 4 years ago and had surgery, but came back to schooling after that for 6 months and was as good as ever, until we started moving house and yards and I lost my mojo for it and only hacked.

Anyone had anything similar? I think arthritis is possible with her age but I also wonder if boredom and lack of schooling fitness is part of it plus the napping? She has never loved schooling but would do it, her evasion then was to rush so I am really unfamiliar with having to ride her forward and I also lack the fitness for it. How do you tell? is it best to just start the lessons and regular schooling and see if she either gets better or breaks?

She has regular saddle check and chiro and nothing untowards there. Front shoes only and no hoof issues.

Ho hum. Always something to worry about....

I would get the vet out anyway - a stitch in time saves nine..

It could be liver issue as they can go from sprightly to lethargic easily. How if the pony in general? does it lie down a lot seem off?
 
I have this issue with mine sometimes, I think she's as bored as me! I only hack and I've seen it all a millions times in my area now.
I find riding out to new areas, going places in the lorry (when I can) gives an 'enthusiasm' injection (to me and her!)
At the moment though I think it is the heat, it's very humid here. Even when leading her to the field she can't be bothered. She usually fidgits constantly but today she could only just about be bothered to walk off as I got on lol
Too much grass, too much heat = lethargic!
I don't short feed her in the summer, thus she hasn't been getting her supplements, so I think I'll be sticking those in a tiny handful of chaff or something and see if that helps
 
Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but as you have not been doing much schooling yourself could you be the problem? Schooling is hard work- I can hack for 6 hours no worries but 5 minutes really schooling anything and I feel it!

Also this ^^ definitely true for me!
 
I'd get the vet out first of all just to be sure... But if there's no issue there, I'd put it down to a confident pony that's a little bored and dead to the leg...

Have you tried any 'fun' groundwork? Try free lunging and offering rewards (I use carrots with most horses but if you are opposed to that, you can just offer a scratch). I play a "game" with some horses that really perks them up... Send them around (with a schooling whip smacked on the ground if they are ignoring and some clicking/voice - what you don't want to do is smack the horse as that takes the fun out of it and puts them on edge). If they try to change direction, you get after them and keep them going as they were. After a while, take a few quick steps back and see if you can "draw them in". If they come in, let them have a little break and reward. Then send them on again the other way. After a while you'll see them starting to look at you and really focus... They get really into it when there's something in it for them and will start to offer to turn in - you need to send them on until you ask again. Similarly, once in, they'll anticipate you sending them out again so vary it a little and spend some time just giving a scratch and choose the way you're going to send them. Horses tend to enjoy this a lot once they figure it out - they'll go whizzing around bucking and kicking like it's their first time on grass when you send them off... Also gets them super responsive to the voice. And I personally find it enjoyable to be doing something on the ground with a hard-working horse that they really get something out of too. Not to mention horses that do groundwork are calmer when ridden (heart rate is lower according to a recent study) - which can only be a good thing!
 
Thanks for all the replies

Hacked last night with another pony and she was 100%, beautifully forward, no napping. Walked, trotted and cantered in front and left our companion far behind so I don't think it is lack of energy. Did same route in my own last week and was much slower. The napping started with the yard moves although she has always preferred company. It is nothing major-just walking as slow as she can, stopping, staring in to the distance and neighing until we are about a mile in. She has had 2 yard moves so I get that. Unfortunately the yard is very quiet when I am there so I generally don't have anyone to ride with more than once a week.

In the school she has always been over forward and sensitive to the leg. I agree I have no schooling fitness but I never had to work hard with legs before, it was all about slowing down! It is no bad thing that she is not rushing but equally we have lost all energy now.

She does hate the warm weather but I am sure she has no metabolic issues, that is my pet subject and she has zero symptoms of that.

As we have moved far away she is completely new to the vets so they have never seen her before. My plan is to try lessons and see if a) there is anything the instructor can see to talk to vet about and b) does it improve or get worse with a few sessions.

I do think it is possible she is resenting the school as it is hard work, she has lost the muscle for it, it is warm, the surface is a little deep and she just doesn't want to do it plus I expect I am riding badly.

She is the stoic sort but given how fab she hacks in company I don't believe there can be much wrong physically, it is like riding a completely different horse.

I will update once we have lesson and get an independent view of how she is moving in the school as that might reveal something I can't feel.
 
Did you actually read all of the post and my most recent one? Ir di you just like to be unhelpful?!

Now, now. It looks very like Twiggy was typing her post when you posted, so maybe missed it. Lots of good advice given, good luck with your lesson.
 
Thanks for all the replies

Hacked last night with another pony and she was 100%, beautifully forward, no napping. Walked, trotted and cantered in front and left our companion far behind so I don't think it is lack of energy. Did same route in my own last week and was much slower. The napping started with the yard moves although she has always preferred company. It is nothing major-just walking as slow as she can, stopping, staring in to the distance and neighing until we are about a mile in. She has had 2 yard moves so I get that. Unfortunately the yard is very quiet when I am there so I generally don't have anyone to ride with more than once a week.

In the school she has always been over forward and sensitive to the leg. I agree I have no schooling fitness but I never had to work hard with legs before, it was all about slowing down! It is no bad thing that she is not rushing but equally we have lost all energy now.

She does hate the warm weather but I am sure she has no metabolic issues, that is my pet subject and she has zero symptoms of that.

As we have moved far away she is completely new to the vets so they have never seen her before. My plan is to try lessons and see if a) there is anything the instructor can see to talk to vet about and b) does it improve or get worse with a few sessions.

I do think it is possible she is resenting the school as it is hard work, she has lost the muscle for it, it is warm, the surface is a little deep and she just doesn't want to do it plus I expect I am riding badly.

She is the stoic sort but given how fab she hacks in company I don't believe there can be much wrong physically, it is like riding a completely different horse.

I will update once we have lesson and get an independent view of how she is moving in the school as that might reveal something I can't feel.

Deep surface and lost schooling muscles could be your answer? After instructor, I'd try and different school and a week long bute trial
 
just to add, no offence, having read it all including the last post about the forward hack, my arthritic horse is much more forward going in company. Do not discount the affects of adrenaline on a horse.
 
I had recently noticed that my pony was a bit quieter than usual,not ill, excellent appetite, looked well , but just not himself. Had him blood tested and he was anaemic.
 
Well that was interesting, had the first lesson tonight. It was 28 degrees at 6:30 so hardly ideal!
However, it went fantastically, pony went in a donkey and after 20 mins was moving beautifully. Very forward and I'm told very straight, very level, no sign of anything wrong at all.

My position was appalling (I expected that) so we spent a lot of time correcting which in itself made her much more active. A few schooling exercises later she was back to the pony I knew, really relaxed and concentrating and taking me forward.

Massively relieved! Have started her on turmeric now anyway as meant to be good, but seems it was 50% rider error, 50% cheeky cob taking advantage of muppet rider.

Loads to work on but no reason to think we won't be able to stressage again :)
 
Thats good news! I was going to ask whether she might just be tired from being out at night - my cob gets much less lively in the summer when he is out at night muzzled, think he spends all night roaming around trying to find the nicest mouthful of grass! Interesting that the 2 times you have posted about where she has been more lively have been evenings…..
 
Thats good news! I was going to ask whether she might just be tired from being out at night - my cob gets much less lively in the summer when he is out at night muzzled, think he spends all night roaming around trying to find the nicest mouthful of grass! Interesting that the 2 times you have posted about where she has been more lively have been evenings…..

Thank you :)

It could be part of it yes.

It also now seems that her slight napping when hacking solo has translated to the school - so whilst she wasn't doing anything obviously "nappy" in the school she was dawdling and occasionally stopping, staring etc and I guess I hadn't really noticed how much she was doing it. She took one look at the instructor and sighed loudly (she is very expressive lol) and then just seemed to snap out of it and be happy to get on with it.

I had got into a horrible habbit of nagging with my legs and she was completely ignoring me, so we did lots of walk exercises with my legs off completely until she would walk forwards by herself, and lots of transitions in the walk as well as some short bursts of trot work. All really basic stuff that I knew but I needed someone else to sort me out. Within a few mins of collected to medium walk transitions on a square she was offering trot instead of walk as she was so responsive and also softening. She also enjoyed it I think, her ears go all floppy to the outside when she is relaxed and not seen them like that schooling for months, so I think boredom was also an issue.

Anyway, weekly lessons for us again with homework.

Obviously if she goes lame or obviously stiff I will have vet out as at her age it is possible there will be issues at some point, but instructor was very clear that she could see nothing physically amiss at all, she overtracked in walk and has a lovely swing and her trot was tracking up and very active behond which is a big relief. We are only aiming for occasional Novice tests so nothing in there that should cause an older horse issues really once she is schooling fit.
 
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