Who does parreli with their horse?

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Just got back from my parents and i watched a programme on sky about Pat Parreli. I was truely gobsmacked at whwt he has in the way of a bond and understanding with his horses! I have to admit that prior to watching this i had a few negative thoughts about the whole natural horsemanship thing but after seeing this programme i have changed my views! I would love to try this eventually with my youngster as i think he would learn quickly! Has anyone had any real sucess from using these methods and how has it changed you and your horse?
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his bond that involves shouting at them and waving sticks at the?
Sorry, might work for cowboys (and not the gentle gentle thing portrayed I dont think) but don't see its benefit
 
Um yea, I hate watching those programs, or seeing their merchandise marketed.
I also object to having anyone come in the arena whilst Im schooling a highly strung horse and start lunging their horse with a sainsburys carrier bag on the end of a frigging stick.
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I went to the show in Birmingham and was completely bowled over.My horse was off work with a ligament injury and although I couldnt do the flat work on lunge we did a lot of in hand friendly games .It kept his mind occupied and I didnt have too many problems when we started hacking out again.He has always been a handful because he is young and a tb but the transformation was incredible.He is off work at the moment on box rest after surgery for hock fusion and I will do some parelli before I get back on him it makes so much calmer and trusting , he is a lovely horse to handle now.He has been in on two weeks box rest and has been a pleasure to handle Im sure parelli made a difference.I dont use it all the time just occasionally works for me.
A 14 yr old on our yard has a nice horse who has started to get bolshy she has been rearing and kicking out at her handler and playing up on the way to the paddocks.I took her off her today for her own safety she was in tears.I did 10 mins work with the mare and she was a absolute angel afterwards with her owner.I have sent the girl home tonight with my parelli dvds and showed her how to do join up and play the friendly games etc.I like his methods because they are kind and dignified.
 
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Um yea, I hate watching those programs, or seeing their merchandise marketed.
I also object to having anyone come in the arena whilst Im schooling a highly strung horse and start lunging their horse with a sainsburys carrier bag on the end of a frigging stick.
Go Figure.
IMO....of course.

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I can add no more!!
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I could but i'm not,lol!!!
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Are you sure you watched parelli they definitely dont shout and the carrot stick isnt waved at them to scare its to show them what direction to move .Its not used like a schooling whip but pointed to indicate what way to move.When we went to the show he took a horse that was knocking its owner over in fear within 15 mins that horse had learnt to trust and was looking for instruction as to what way he should move.He was riding the same horse in a halter the following day ,the horses are never smacked but released from pressure once they move in the right direction.
 
I'm not sure I would call them dignified..the whole shouting at the horse, tapping it either side of the head with sticks...
I also didn't think join up was parelli?
 
It was quite interesting to watch and although like some i dont know if i agree with the carrier bag thing ,the join up does interest me and my youngster will quite happily follow me round the sand school when he is loose,stop when i stop ,walk when i walk but i have literaly just dabbled with it at the mo.He is quite a nervous horse! There was some kind of chart wheel thing they were using to assess whether a horse is left and right side introvert and left and right side extrovert i would like to know a little more about that too!
 
I've watched them backing them up using the sticks. And seen them shout. Quite obviously too! anyone who has watched the H+C tv programmes must have seen them? it was when he had the horse and the big green ball. not sure what you can see dignified about it.
 
Well like i said i have only seen one programme and there was no wacking the horse with sticks in this one but hey was the first one i have seen so i dont know. i can see this subject is a bit of a sore subject for some.
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Hi Socksnblaze
Have a look on their site re chart its really interesting.My horse started of as one thing then as his confidence and trust in me grew he changed.He was a ex racer and probably hadnt had a bond with one person before i took him on so I found he moved from one side of the chart to the other.
I dont do the carrier bag either but the join up is a concept that alot of good trainers use.You can pick and choose what you use to help your horse .My horse used to run away if he was scared teaching him to back up and trust me now gives him a few moments to think about whats going on and he doesnt spin out anymore.If you cant find the chart pm me with your email and I will send you a copy.
 
Please see the following links. If you do a search on here you will be shocked by what goes on behind the scenes re. parelli. Yes, he does hit them - hard, on the nose with his 'carrot' stick - I saw it for myself at a demonstration which he was giving. Of course he wouldn't whack anything with the cameras trained on him, use a bit of common!!!

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/2597063/page/0/vc/1
 
ah thankyou appreciate that im going off to have a look in a mo as they didnt really show it close up but they kinda explained the concept of it i just thought it was fascinating so i would like to see what difference these techniques would have on my partbred arab as he is very nervy but has got heaps better since ive had him!
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Yes they do use the sticks to show them back up but they are initially tapped not hit or struck.Once they know the movement from the carrot stick ,the command, they dont need to tap anymore .I agree re the ball we are not likely to see one of those out on a hack but they are demonstrating trust its not really a issue with balls.If you had seen the free loading on trailers you would probably understand the concept of asking with dignity.Ive seen too many horses at pony club hauled onto trailers with a lungeline and whip.
I suppose we could always beg to differ all I know is the three people who went to the show with me have had success with using some of his methods and their horses trust and repect them but not through fear.
 
Their stuff is groundbreaking and inciteful - to other mad, cowboy Americans! I'd stick with the BHS if I were you, maybe mixed with a bit of Monty Roberts.
 
I think parelli is much more harsh than people realise, the trainers jerk ropes in the horses faces and intimidate them by making them run backwards all the time. Although the parellis are clearly very good at what they do and their top level horses can perform very impressively I find it quite degrading to have the horses do bizzare circus tricks to the amusement of the clapping crowd. Also whats with the ropes and reins dangling all over the place, and hats? maybe they have wooden skulls and don't require things like riding hats & body protectors?
Do your self and your horse a favour, put a hard hat on and go for a gallop!


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his is no better than with a lungeline, it's asking differently but he puts a lot of pressure on so the horse has no other choice.
I would get a good sensible person out not one who gives you dvds but one who works with the individual horse.
They hit them. call it a tap, like many people say I gave him a tap with my whip.
 
God this has opened a can of worms.I understood that Parelli and monty Roberts all shared the same interests schooling with kindness .
 
Pass the popcorn please!

(stands on soapbox) *sigh* I could write an essay but will try not to...!
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From my name, you might work out I am interested in Natural horsemanship. I study under a particular lady who has her own way, but I also observe with interest the other popular schools of NH. Including Parelli.

I find the Parelli way inconsistent, harsher than it needs to be and waaaay too commercial. Having said that it probably once had its roots in the right place, and IF it helps anyone to have a non-violent relationship with their horse then so much the better. I have also seen him HIT with the carrot stick and several other things that I really didn't appreciate.
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On a different note, whoever has their signature with "who's the alpha now, sucker?" does makes me giggle. Works on many different levels that I like!!
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To answer Cellie yes I believe they are supposed to share the same interests, I think they think they do, but as you can see many on here beg to differ. To them its all about being the boss, the alpha horse, but IMHO I believe its better to be a passive (not agressive) leader, and that is what I try to work towards.

end of my mini lecture, I PM'd someone with a much fuller version but have tried to keep this brief!!
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Yes they do use the sticks to show them back up but they are initially tapped not hit or struck.Once they know the movement from the carrot stick ,the command, they dont need to tap anymore .

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I hate to think how you believe a schooling stick should be used....
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God this has opened a can of worms.I understood that Parelli and monty Roberts all shared the same interests schooling with kindness .

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You're so right! Whereas BHS and other trainers believe in schooling with cruelty! How did we not see the light earlier?!
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Um yea, I hate watching those programs, or seeing their merchandise marketed.
I also object to having anyone come in the arena whilst Im schooling a highly strung horse and start lunging their horse with a sainsburys carrier bag on the end of a frigging stick.
Go Figure.
IMO....of course.

[/ QUOTE ] I'm with you there. In my case, it was the aggressive use of a 'carrot stick' with a horse jumping about that upset my mare - she nearly had kittens!! On the occasion I saw someone with the stick and the carrier bag, I waited until they finished.

I'm not a fan, I do a spot of groundwork with a horse as a matter of course -moving it back and around if it isn't listening, stopping and asking for a couple of steps back if my mare gets to forward when being led - it just reminds her to go at my pace. However, I have no desire to do all of the tricks with my horse or dominate to the extent that the higher level parelli horses are dominated (shoot me, after careful thought and consideration - that is my opinion!).

Also, just an observation, but most of the people I have come across that do parelli, only do the groundwork and don't do much else with their horses (i.e. ride!!)!
 
Parrelli was at Hartpury doing one of his courses and I was lecturing in one of the classrooms that looks out into the new arena. Lets just say my students were none to happy with what was going on and were quite vocal about it! need I say more!
 
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popcorn time?

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Salted or sweet?
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Damn, haven't got my Butter Buds to flavour with yet
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Parrelli was at Hartpury doing one of his courses and I was lecturing in one of the classrooms that looks out into the new arena. Lets just say my students were none to happy with what was going on and were quite vocal about it! need I say more!

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Yes, I've seen some of the behind the scenes stuff of various natural horsemanship gurus (mentioning no names) at a venue close to Glos.....enough to put you off for life....
I can't believe they can get away with not being truthful like that...and no-one says...even though they have huge retinues of folk running round after them....
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