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How is this horse dangerous? I have not seen any wording saying it is?! All Ive read is that it has to live out 24/7 (whats the problem with this?!), box walks (however if turned out then it wont do this!) and won't load (LOADS of horses are problem loaders!). One of my horses went through a phase of launching about in the trailer as a 3 and 4yo, it was extremely dangerous as he'd literally try to jump out however with time and patience eventually he's now fine. Ive also had a horse who bolted through barbed wire fences, but again he is now fine! Lots of horses have issues which lets be honest, are mostly caused by humans.

Sorry, but yet again Im sickened by so many people saying to put it to sleep when not even knowing the background of this horse and what's been done to help him. ALL horses are capable of "flipping", we all know that any horse can surprise us. This horse sounds unhappy more than anything. Who says this horse wouldn't respond better in a one-to-one home rather than a "professional" yard where Im sure it doesn't get enough time and effort devoted to it? All yards have methods they use, another yard / person may suit it far more.

Only if all other avenues have been visited would I ever even consider having a horse PTS.

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lec did mention it was an absolute nightmare when someone is not on board..i took that as being a problem to handle.....
 
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why not contact the local RSPCA im sure they would have it rather than kill the poor thing, surly if it doesnt hurt anyone then just leave him in a feild and retire him! if i had my own land i woul have him in a flash, please someone save him from death!!
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LOL the RSPCA is the LAST place anyone would send it. They'd only have it PTS anyway.......
 
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"Please don't be so melodramatic about it! If this horse is likely to be a danger to anyone then the best place for him would be Potters or their equivalent, no question about it. I feel you need to be a bit more realistic about lost causes and not sentimental before someone gets hurt. "


ok maybe I was a bit pathetic but nowhere does it say this animal has hurt anyone it just says hes is bad in the stable, i agree with magicmelon if thats all he dones then im sure someone would take him on and at least try a few other methods before destroying a animal who has a few issues?
 
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why not contact the local RSPCA im sure they would have it rather than kill the poor thing, surly if it doesnt hurt anyone then just leave him in a feild and retire him! if i had my own land i woul have him in a flash, please someone save him from death!!
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so instead of killing "the poor thing", you'd prefer it to kill a human???

strange morals indeed.....................
 
Point taken but as JM said:

"Lec did mention it was an absolute nightmare when someone is not on board..i took that as being a problem to handle....."

That does not sound to me as a horse that could be sold on with the fear that whoever took it on, would not also pass it on and on. That is an extremely dangerous route to take and I think the owners are also thinking about the effect that sort of thing would have to this already disturbed animal. I have to be honest and say I personally feel they are doing the right and responsible thing for both future handlers and the horse itself; I certainly couldn't have that on my conscience if it ever hurt someone by its behaviour when I knew about it all of the time. A person's health/life is far mote important than any horse. Besides, where would they stand legally if they sold it on and it did hurt someone, would they still be liable knowing they sold a dangerous horse? Just not worth it, sorry.
 
LEC- will you please clarify if this horse is 'dangerous' or just difficult on the ground?

People are obviously getting confused, i took it as 'difficult on the ground' meaning no manners rather than anyone jumping to conclusions that its suddenly going to kill someone.
 
What exactly does it do on the ground? And if its only a ground problem then surely that can be sorted with a bit of work. Like an earlier post said it would probably be better of away from a professional yard where there is lots going on???

How old is the horse? Has it injured anyone before? Does it let you tack up? My horse was a bad loader and hes fine now.....Oh and i mean bad. Not just refusing to go in the lorry but he would rear and strike out with his front legs crush you against the side of the box tread on you.....all he could basically to get out of going on. Now he more or less goes straight up. Horses can be turned around IMO in a lot of circumstances. He should be given another chance. And no i dont want anyone to get killed but nor do i wish death on a perfectly healthy animal!!!
 
Well said magic mellon, there are too many on here quick to pts without knowing the full facts, as my vet said to me ' horses are a product of what humans do to them, I have yet to meet a horse with mental problems'. My own horse was considered dangerous when he was at a big name show jumpers yard and now at home without the pressure and un-personal production line handling he is a poppet.
 
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so instead of killing "the poor thing", you'd prefer it to kill a human???

strange morals indeed.....................

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Good grief - Please point out WHERE it says this horse is actually agressive?! Please, because I must have missed this part. She has implied it is difficult on the ground, lots of horses are "difficult" in the way that they can be bolshy / fidgety or whatever. This certainly does not say to me that this horse is a person-killer!

I think you lot need to quit being so melodramatic. Its so sad that one or two of you are so quick to kill an animal just on the basis that it hadn't killed anyone YET! ANY horse is capable of killing a person, by your way of thinking then all horses should be PTS then!
 
here here magic, i totally agree with all your comments, as we said before it hasnt killed anyone or injured yet as far as we are awear,so why not see if somone else can deal with his problems, and such a young animal aswell. i wish i had the land!
 
Just think for a minute - why would a horse that has BD points, hunts and jumps have changed hands for £1 and now be (possibly) PTS?

Because the owner's bored? Probably not if it's in the hands of professionals, they'd sell it on and make some dosh!

It all points to the horse being a liability to have around the place.
 
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Just think for a minute - why would a horse that has BD points, hunts and jumps have changed hands for £1 and now be (possibly) PTS?

Because the owner's bored? Probably not if it's in the hands of professionals, they'd sell it on and make some dosh!

It all points to the horse being a liability to have around the place.

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hoorah...someone with a bit of common sense who can ACTUALLY work out a post!!!!!!
 
Right to clarify - if I thought it was not just mental I would have taken it myself after all I am very experienced and hardly a numpty who has not got a clue and I have a distinct liking for cheap horses. I am not in the habit of bypassing horses who I think I can turn around. The fact is if the people who have got it cannot do anything it has not really got a hope.

I have more information about this horse it will hack out one day perfectly well the next day it will spin round so fast and dump you. One day it will load the next it will piss off with you and the only way to stop it is a chain through its mouth.

As I mentioned in the previous posts I have posted this because not every horse can be saved and nor should it. This horse is not going as a companion so no more PMs please on that. It is a fruit loop and people should be sensible in these situations and do what is best for the horse which is a bullet. I am fed up with reading about the lack of realism with horses. It is not cruel but realistic. The owner is thinking about the future not just their own feelings of guilt they might suffer for 10 minutes about shooting a healthy horse.
 
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Right to clarify - if I thought it was not just mental I would have taken it myself after all I am very experienced and hardly a numpty who has not got a clue and I have a distinct liking for cheap horses. I am not in the habit of bypassing horses who I think I can turn around. The fact is if the people who have got it cannot do anything it has not really got a hope.

I have more information about this horse it will hack out one day perfectly well the next day it will spin round so fast and dump you. One day it will load the next it will piss off with you and the only way to stop it is a chain through its mouth.

As I mentioned in the previous posts I have posted this because not every horse can be saved and nor should it. This horse is not going as a companion so no more PMs please on that. It is a fruit loop and people should be sensible in these situations and do what is best for the horse which is a bullet. I am fed up with reading about the lack of realism with horses. It is not cruel but realistic. The owner is thinking about the future not just their own feelings of guilt they might suffer for 10 minutes about shooting a healthy horse.

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well said, lec...

should put an end to the "save the horse" nonsense.
 
Another point is the possibility of brain tumours or similar...I have had only a few horses with these over the years but they all started showing behavioural symptoms - inconsistency, aggression, irrational reactions, and nothing can be done.
I value my horses...but would never put a human at risk from them.
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Presumably if it used to be a decent competition horse its behaviour has deteriorated? In which case I'd suggest it may have a brain tumour or other brain issue. Therefore Potters is the kindest option.

If he has always been difficult then presumably they must have developed a coping system to get him out hunting etc......
 
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This horse is being shot next week this is your chance to save it.

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I think this is really the reason so many people think it can be saved with an opening line like that instead of reading more into it.

Fair play to the owner, doing what is best for them and the horse.
 
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Agree totally with JM and others. How terrible would you feel if something happened to anyone else? Another reason why Twiggy will be booked in if the maternal job doesn't suit her.

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Well exactly! I couldn't agree more which is why Twiggy was rehomed to someone I knew would never ride her and who would go down this route if it came to it. Heck, if you had not had her she would have gone that route long before now, I can tell you. There were not many people I would have rehomed her to as a broodmare either, and if I didn't know her history and breeding, she would not have been allowed to breed. As it was, there were enough 'extenuating circumstances' for me to feel she probably was a result of her past not that there was something chronically wrong with her.

Something with BD points sold for a pound is either a nut job or has seriously broken down. Either way it is going to happen again in the not too distant future. If it is a nut job, then PTS is the most sensible.
 
I must have ahd my head buried - had no idea who you were!
OP - If the horse is not aggresive towards other horses please pm me with details. It'll be bushed all winter and i'll have a crack at it next summer, if no joy I am only 1 mile from the kennels.
 
Sorry but what pish you guys speak. Honestly Im thoroughly mortified at HOW some of you who own horses think! This horse is NOT aggressive! From what I have understood, the horse sometimes hacks and sometimes doesn't. I know of plenty of horses who don't hack! I have one right now! Simple answer - I dont hack. As long as the horse isn't bought FOR hacking then that's no issue. With regard to loading - that can be worked on with practice, certainly not sounding like a loopy horse to me...

I have not heard anything that many horses don't do in this country! NO horse is perfect. This horse does NOT sound like it is aggressive. It has won BD points etc. in the past so clearly some human has f*cked it up. Or yes, there is a chance it has a brain tumour but you cant possibly blame this sort of behaviour on that without more proof (if he suddenly began going nuts in the stable for no reason etc.). Not loading or hacking doesn't equal a horse with a brain tumour...

I genuinely feel sorry for your horses if this is how quickly you choose to end their life with MINIMAL effort. Horse = work and patience, some more than others. A yard does NOT have the time to put into a horse like this. It should be sold to a private experienced home who knows about its background. IMO it should be put on Problem Horses. There are plenty of horses on there with far far worse issues from the sound of things.

lec - what is the reason this horse cannot go as a companion? If it lives out its days in a field with another horse, I dont really see how that could be a problem?
 
I wish someone would tell us exactly what it does on the ground and to ride so we could actually discuss whether it needs to be PTS or whether with the right person it could be turned around rather than people deciding things without knowing the full facts..
 
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Please tell me I have not read this!
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If that is the sort of treatment the poor horse is receiving then it's no wonder it's difficult!
Whoever dreamt up that 'remarkable' action should be ashamed of themselves!
If I had the land I'd have him myself and at least give him the chance, with decent humane treatment, to turn around.
Posts like this sicken and sadden me - as someone else said all horses are a product of what the human has done to them - what a sorry situation for this poor creature to be in.
I'm shocked and upset by some of the repsonses to this post.
If the horse is found to have a brain tumor or something then fair enough it should be PTS but otherwise...I'm not convinced.
 
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