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honestly, Lou......

sheesh.......i have to say, that since my return from self-imposed exile, it seems like walking through treacle......

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I put it to you that you have never really walked through treacle, are merely pretending to have experience with treacle, and therefore can't possibly know what it feels like, nor make a scientifically accurate comparison.
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S, mate...may i call you mate?

anyhow...that is why i have written the word "seems".....therefore exonerating myself from nitpickers.....
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Does that mean, 'mate', that you're not going to avail yourself of the 40 litres of treacle I've just bought from Tescos? I'll have to sell it as Stick-tite saddle covering to improve depth of seat.
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This horse is being shot next week this is your chance to save it.

It has BD points, jumps and hunts. Its a bay warmblood about 16.2hh I think its about 9 years old. Was bought for £1.

But it has to be kept out 24/7 and box walks at 90 miles an hour. It also is very difficult to load but am sure some Parelli will sort it out.
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I think there are some other issues!

Owner has lost all patience with it hence the bullet.

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I think the OP is misleading tbh. It implies that the poster is offering the horse for rehoming and now after some offers\comments about 'saving' it, is now, along with others, almost ridiculing those people.....
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[quoteAs for diagnosing brain tumours. Most vets say shoot it, open its skull up and that'll tell you if it has a tumour or not.

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And I was trying so hard NOT to say that lest I made the bunny huggers cry
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This horse is being shot next week this is your chance to save it.

It has BD points, jumps and hunts. Its a bay warmblood about 16.2hh I think its about 9 years old. Was bought for £1.

But it has to be kept out 24/7 and box walks at 90 miles an hour. It also is very difficult to load but am sure some Parelli will sort it out.
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I think there are some other issues!

Owner has lost all patience with it hence the bullet.

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I think the OP is misleading tbh. It implies that the poster is offering the horse for rehoming and now after some offers\comments about 'saving' it, is now, along with others, almost ridiculing those people.....
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[quoteAs for diagnosing brain tumours. Most vets say shoot it, open its skull up and that'll tell you if it has a tumour or not.

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And I was trying so hard NOT to say that lest I made the bunny huggers cry
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i say..bollox make em cry...and offer them to enter the real world.......
 
QR - The saddest thing really about this post is that bad horses are made not born(wiht very few exceptions), yes it may have a brain tumour but more than like just a bad life probably pushed too hard, too young for that horse, so many warmbloods end up like this at around this age.
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That said I'm no bunny hugger and have no intention of taking on anyones problem horse or wishing it on another and think the best and safest route is to have this horse PTS.
 
Having had experience on professional yards, believe me, if the horse was saleable, then it would be sold. Professionals do NOT make their money suggesting to their clients that they should have their horses shot. They make their money from doing the required remedial work, competing the horse and then selling and (quite rightly) taking their cut as well as the livery money for the period of the time the horse was in training.

If the current yard (no idea who it is) cannot cope with the horse and are not willing to risk their reputation in selling the horse, then chances are it is really not safe. There are many other horses in England that could do with saving and would probably appreciate it far more than this one. From the sound of it, this horse is disturbed enough not to be enjoying life that much. And I have gauged as much from what LEC has NOT said as from the words she has written.
 
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Have read the whole post and am amazed at the number of people who think they could turn this horse around when professionals have tried and failed.

I agree with JM - would love to see MM tame this wild beastie. Have these people read lec's post properly? Sometimes the horse is OK and other times it is not - anyone with an ounce of horsesense would realise that this is probably not a case of human handling ruining an otherwise good horse, if that were the case the horse would ALWAYS react violently - this horse sounds as though it does indeed have a brain tumour or something of that ilk, in which case the responsible thing to do is have it humanely PTS.

As for not realising that the chain referred to was a stallion change.................well says it all really

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And this, IMHO, is exactly why the horse should be PTS. If it goes on projecthorses.com or similar it will end up in the hands of someone who thinks they can turn around a horse the professionals couldn't, using just the Seven Games they read in Your Horse.

For once it's good to see a responsible owner. I used to know a horse a bit like this, however this one was genuinely nasty. Would be fine one day then do its best to kill the rider/owner the next. Nearly killed one woman. Ended up with my old YO to school and sell, she was lunging it for an hour in the end before daring to get on. Advertised it, someone who used to ride internationally went to see it and it even ditched them so it ended up at Beeston market unwarranted. Has been through there a further 3 times that I know of, always unwarranted. That poor animal should have been shot in the beginning - what sort of a life is it for him to constantly be going through the sales, bought by people who think they can "turn him around" when a pro couldn't?
 
As I have said several times I have worded this post very badly. It was meant to provoke and be a debate. I can also say that the people that own this horse are VERY proffessional. They make me look like a numpty with how much they know. There horses are always bought cheap and turned around. 99% it works 1% it does not. There horses have time and every chance.

I am shocked and disturbed at how blind people are to horses. If a dog bit a child without any reason or without being provoked and out of normal behaviour it would be termed as agressive. If this then said dog was handled proffessionally and still felt to be unreliable what options are there? Dangerous is dangerous.

My 2nd point is to those of you if you had a dangerous horse would you just pass it on in that case I think that makes you incompetant as owners. I think it makes you liable and if it killed someone I hope you could deal with that because I know I could not. I do not care if you said it was being a companion for life circumstances change and knowledge does not get passed on or history. The best and safest thing is for it to be PTS where it is a danger to NOBODY.
 
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I think that makes you incompetant as owners. I think it makes you liable and if it killed someone I hope you could deal with that because I know I could not. I do not care if you said it was being a companion for life circumstances change and knowledge does not get passed on or history. The best and safest thing is for it to be PTS where it is a danger to NOBODY.

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Could not agree more lec, I too am astounded that some people on here are arrogant enough to think that they could succeed "with kindness and patience" where professionals have failed, just where do they get off with that? I get the impression that they think that all professionals beat a horse into submission and give up at the first hurdle and have the horse shot
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Wise decision
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p.s we've leapt over the fence when our mare came double barreling at us, she's struck out at us, she's pinned us in the stable, she's bitten us, she's charged at us, in over 35 years with horses I've never come across a horse like her . .

What would a professional suggest we do ?

What time scale would a professional allow for this horse to 'change' ?

I'll now add that this was over 10 years ago, she's still alive and still with us !
 
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My 2nd point is to those of you if you had a dangerous horse would you just pass it on in that case I think that makes you incompetant as owners. I think it makes you liable and if it killed someone I hope you could deal with that because I know I could not. I do not care if you said it was being a companion for life circumstances change and knowledge does not get passed on or history. The best and safest thing is for it to be PTS where it is a danger to NOBODY.

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Totally agree.
 
Woe betide you who disagrees with the 'professionals' or those who take the hard line. What medical tests has the horse had? Has it always been like this or suddenly flipped? It is obviously at some point been copeable with if it hunted and dressaged. Has it gone downhill? Can it be a companion? I still haven't seen anything bar being bad to load that makes it PTSable?
 
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I sorry but having read through this thread I am at a loss at how some people think they can 'cure' this horse's problems when they havent even seen it! The fact that a pro is willing to lose out on the chance of making some money on it by chosing to have it shot says a lot
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I'ms till waiting to here what its dangerous problems are?
But then again since the post seems geared towards mocking people I'm actually not sure why it was posted?
 
depends what line of buisness you're in. If you're a dealer and have just spent hundreds on it, having a hard time, are you going to lose what you spent on it and more by having it PTS or put it through the ring where it may well end up as meat anyway? You get more for it via market...

ETS that's a horse that perhaps the dealer couldnt cope with and didnt see it worth spending money on (because it wasnt financially viable). NOT an animal which posed a risk to someone's life.

 
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My 2nd point is to those of you if you had a dangerous horse would you just pass it on in that case I think that makes you incompetant as owners. I think it makes you liable and if it killed someone I hope you could deal with that because I know I could not.

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I agree. I had a "dangerous horse" for 16 years and there was no way that she would ever have been rehomed; After 15 years of riding her and dealing with her problems, I eventually retired her and she lived happily in a field for a year with other geriatrics....right up to the moment she took one of her many spazzy fits in her field and came crashing down breaking her leg in the process.

I'd never ever have considered letting her leave my ownership as I never wanted her to be ridden again and if she had been unhappy being retired then she would have been shot.....BECAUSE I loved her!

I'm sorry but there really are some people on here who, although well-meaning, just don't seem to have a clue about what these types of horses are actually like. And no I would never ever have a dangerous horse again and if one turned out to be such, I would not hesitate to have it PTS as the responsible owners of this horse are going to do.
 
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I sorry but having read through this thread I am at a loss at how some people think they can 'cure' this horse's problems when they havent even seen it! The fact that a pro is willing to lose out on the chance of making some money on it by chosing to have it shot says a lot
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I don't think it does. If they paid a £1.00 for it perhaps its more hassle than they think its worth.
 
I don't think the post was set up to mock.

How I see it is it shows how human nature makes us want to save the horse. (Generally amateurs with good intentions)

The professionals have been there and done this many times.

A few horses come through fine with some TLC but you only have to see how many messed up horses there are in this world to know that the success rate is minimal.

Reading between the lines I believe this horse is beyond repair and it would be kinder all round to say "taraaa" to this one.

The OP has stated a couple of times now that she badly worded the original post.

Oh and regarding the Stallion chain thingy, Can someone put me right? I was always led to believe that a chain was in fact milder than most common styles of bits? Can someone clarify that for me?
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I'ms till waiting to here what its dangerous problems are?
But then again since the post seems geared towards mocking people I'm actually not sure why it was posted?

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Exactly, a pro can only earn money when in one piece, get injured and say good buy to their salary. Some horses aren't worth being injured for.

Having paid £1.00 why not cut their losses and get £300/400 quid from the meat man.
 
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