madhector
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Tia
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I was always led to believe that a chain was in fact milder than most common styles of bits? Can someone clarify that for me?
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They aren't mild, however they aren't horrendous either. They fit around the mouth and you use them as leverage if the stallion gets bolshy or OTT.
I actually ride my horse Jet, in a chain bit and he loves it; as do any of the other horses I have tried in on. Western of course.
I was always led to believe that a chain was in fact milder than most common styles of bits? Can someone clarify that for me?
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They aren't mild, however they aren't horrendous either. They fit around the mouth and you use them as leverage if the stallion gets bolshy or OTT.
I actually ride my horse Jet, in a chain bit and he loves it; as do any of the other horses I have tried in on. Western of course.
FRESHMAN
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Now that remark was really melodramatic. On that assumption maybe anyone that uses a Waterford is putting a chain through the mouth
FRESHMAN
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Oh JM dont refer to shilastair as S She will have a dicky fit
Seriously only joking S (but you had a right go at me)
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Seriously only joking S (but you had a right go at me)
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Starbucks
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We had a very similar horse, well not sure because I haven't read the whole post but - had you said it 5 yrs ago and it was 17.1 I would have thought it was him!!
My dad had him from a 5 yr old - he was a bugger, in all ways possible. By the time he was 9 we thought he was sorted - well he was with us but as soon as he went to his new dressage home he went back to his old ways!
Luckily we got him back and I had two amazing hunting seasons on him before he was injured and had to be PTS.
I know our horse didn't have any bad treatment etc. - he was just a bugger, but we loved him, and it's a good job we did or he would have been PTS well before.
My dad had him from a 5 yr old - he was a bugger, in all ways possible. By the time he was 9 we thought he was sorted - well he was with us but as soon as he went to his new dressage home he went back to his old ways!
I know our horse didn't have any bad treatment etc. - he was just a bugger, but we loved him, and it's a good job we did or he would have been PTS well before.
vicijp
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QR, I hate all talk of this 'professionals' bullsh#t. Just because someone has been paid, doesnt mean they are good at what they do.
Likewise, different approaches work for different horses.
Likewise, different approaches work for different horses.
Honeypots
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QR...
AS far as I can see, I don't think anyone has actually said..'I can sort a dangerous horse out, give it me' have they?.. I think people have said that it can sometimes be done and based on the OP it seemed a bit drastic to PTS..
For the record..I would PTS a dangerous horse...blimey, my sweet itch cob will be PTS if I have to move him somewhere he's not happy...
AS far as I can see, I don't think anyone has actually said..'I can sort a dangerous horse out, give it me' have they?.. I think people have said that it can sometimes be done and based on the OP it seemed a bit drastic to PTS..
For the record..I would PTS a dangerous horse...blimey, my sweet itch cob will be PTS if I have to move him somewhere he's not happy...
Stoxx
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If anyone is still reading this, I'd just like to say to the people that think it should be given another chance: At the end of the day the majority do this for a hobby and you need to factor in how you value your own life and the lives of your family. No one is saying that this horse WILL kill you or WILL do damage to you, it's just that it would seem there would be more chance of it happening than with another. Should someone take it on and be killed or seriously injured, then your family would have to live with that for the rest of their lives. I personally do not think that is fair for the sake of a 'hobby'.
And before people say it, yes any horse can be dangerous but there are some that are more likely to be so than others!
And before people say it, yes any horse can be dangerous but there are some that are more likely to be so than others!
Sal_E
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Sounds like a bit of a ridiculous post to me TBH!
There's nothing I've spotted whilst scanning through that makes me think 'christ this horse should be shot', there's every chance it's just been misplaced. HOWEVER, quite clearly no-one here (apart LEC maybe?) knows the fulls facts.
Therefore, anyone who thinks they 'know' the horse should be shot OR rehomed is making some seriously biased sweeping statements & probably needs to reserve judgement!
Can't possibly see how ANYONE here can know what is wrong with the horse & whether it can be solved or whether it's both kinder & safer to have it PTS.
There's nothing I've spotted whilst scanning through that makes me think 'christ this horse should be shot', there's every chance it's just been misplaced. HOWEVER, quite clearly no-one here (apart LEC maybe?) knows the fulls facts.
Therefore, anyone who thinks they 'know' the horse should be shot OR rehomed is making some seriously biased sweeping statements & probably needs to reserve judgement!
Can't possibly see how ANYONE here can know what is wrong with the horse & whether it can be solved or whether it's both kinder & safer to have it PTS.
Honeypots
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Sounds like a bit of a ridiculous post to me TBH!
There's nothing I've spotted whilst scanning through that makes me think 'christ this horse should be shot', there's every chance it's just been misplaced. HOWEVER, quite clearly no-one here (apart LEC maybe?) knows the fulls facts.
Therefore, anyone who thinks they 'know' the horse should be shot OR rehomed is making some seriously biased sweeping statements & probably needs to reserve judgement!
Can't possibly see how ANYONE here can know what is wrong with the horse & whether it can be solved or whether it's both kinder & safer to have it PTS.
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Well thats kinda what I've been thinking...
Sounds like a bit of a ridiculous post to me TBH!
There's nothing I've spotted whilst scanning through that makes me think 'christ this horse should be shot', there's every chance it's just been misplaced. HOWEVER, quite clearly no-one here (apart LEC maybe?) knows the fulls facts.
Therefore, anyone who thinks they 'know' the horse should be shot OR rehomed is making some seriously biased sweeping statements & probably needs to reserve judgement!
Can't possibly see how ANYONE here can know what is wrong with the horse & whether it can be solved or whether it's both kinder & safer to have it PTS.
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Well thats kinda what I've been thinking...
sleepingdragon10
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Now that remark was really melodramatic. On that assumption maybe anyone that uses a Waterford is putting a chain through the mouth
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Oh b*gger, well that's me in trouble then as I've just bought one for the Not-So-Useless one....
Now that remark was really melodramatic. On that assumption maybe anyone that uses a Waterford is putting a chain through the mouth
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Oh b*gger, well that's me in trouble then as I've just bought one for the Not-So-Useless one....
LEC
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Right I am so fed up with this post and this for me is the end of it for me.
I am sorry I have not written a comprehensive list of why this horse is dangerous. I know the people who own the horse have seen them have great success with some absolute crap and I would send them one of mine in a blink. They are proper nagsmen not just pros reliant on staying safe.
It is not my horse I have not had a chance to get the carrot stick out and solve all its ills and nor would I touch it with a barge pole.
It is the fact one moment it is fine and the other its personality completely alters becoming agressive and a liability when ridden. What I have been told its like a switch goes in its head. They have had the horse since July so I am pretty sure everything has been tried.
All I can say is that its wonderful that so many of you are perfect horse owners who are so capable!
I am sorry I have not written a comprehensive list of why this horse is dangerous. I know the people who own the horse have seen them have great success with some absolute crap and I would send them one of mine in a blink. They are proper nagsmen not just pros reliant on staying safe.
It is not my horse I have not had a chance to get the carrot stick out and solve all its ills and nor would I touch it with a barge pole.
It is the fact one moment it is fine and the other its personality completely alters becoming agressive and a liability when ridden. What I have been told its like a switch goes in its head. They have had the horse since July so I am pretty sure everything has been tried.
All I can say is that its wonderful that so many of you are perfect horse owners who are so capable!
Skhosu
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So it's a ridden problem then? And has it had any medical examination?
Why did you make this post in the first place?
Why did you make this post in the first place?
__Annie__
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They have had the horse since July so I am pretty sure everything has been tried.
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I won't be drawn into personal insults against people I've never met or make a decision on a horse I've never met BUT I will say this:
4 MONTHS
They have had the horse since July so I am pretty sure everything has been tried.
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I won't be drawn into personal insults against people I've never met or make a decision on a horse I've never met BUT I will say this:
spaniel
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And why do you suppose they only paid a pound for this paragon of misunderstood virtue???
For heavens sakes people. Have any of you ACTUALLY worked with horses who are TRULY dangerous.
It really doesnt matter WHAT has made these horses this way and no amount of faffing about with them can turn them round.
Do you suppose a horse with a mental problem is actually a happy horse?
I dont think so.
For heavens sakes people. Have any of you ACTUALLY worked with horses who are TRULY dangerous.
It really doesnt matter WHAT has made these horses this way and no amount of faffing about with them can turn them round.
Do you suppose a horse with a mental problem is actually a happy horse?
I dont think so.
__Annie__
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I hope that wasn't directed at me ?
If it was please read my replies to this post so you have the facts
If it was please read my replies to this post so you have the facts
YellowBoots
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the only way to stop it is a chain through its mouth.
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Please tell me I have not read this!
If that is the sort of treatment the poor horse is receiving then it's no wonder it's difficult!
Whoever dreamt up that 'remarkable' action should be ashamed of themselves!
If I had the land I'd have him myself and at least give him the chance, with decent humane treatment, to turn around.
Posts like this sicken and sadden me - as someone else said all horses are a product of what the human has done to them - what a sorry situation for this poor creature to be in.
I'm shocked and upset by some of the repsonses to this post.
If the horse is found to have a brain tumor or something then fair enough it should be PTS but otherwise...I'm not convinced.
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I lead one of hubby's horses with a chain in his mouth. Ned is a bih 18hh thick headed wb/tb and I'm a small (I weight 8st soaking wet with all my riding kit on!
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It's quite usual to lead a horse with a chain. No worse than a bit in the right hands. I can tug on it and get the git to stop towing me- we live near a busy road and its a safety issue. Git is fine for hubby to lead but tends to forget that I'm there. (very much a man's horse this one!)
I have no problem with shooting a horse and would much rather do that than pass the problem on to someone else.
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the only way to stop it is a chain through its mouth.
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Please tell me I have not read this!
If that is the sort of treatment the poor horse is receiving then it's no wonder it's difficult!
Whoever dreamt up that 'remarkable' action should be ashamed of themselves!
If I had the land I'd have him myself and at least give him the chance, with decent humane treatment, to turn around.
Posts like this sicken and sadden me - as someone else said all horses are a product of what the human has done to them - what a sorry situation for this poor creature to be in.
I'm shocked and upset by some of the repsonses to this post.
If the horse is found to have a brain tumor or something then fair enough it should be PTS but otherwise...I'm not convinced.
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I lead one of hubby's horses with a chain in his mouth. Ned is a bih 18hh thick headed wb/tb and I'm a small (I weight 8st soaking wet with all my riding kit on!
It's quite usual to lead a horse with a chain. No worse than a bit in the right hands. I can tug on it and get the git to stop towing me- we live near a busy road and its a safety issue. Git is fine for hubby to lead but tends to forget that I'm there. (very much a man's horse this one!)
I have no problem with shooting a horse and would much rather do that than pass the problem on to someone else.
the watcher
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QR
This has been an interesting read. I don't know the horse, and would not presume to judge whether it actually has a future or not. If the owner has decided that it does not, and they are sufficiently experienced (and IMO 4 months would be plenty of time to reach that determination), then I must conclude that their decision is the right one. The only thing I would say is, with a horse this dangerous/distressed/diseased, I would have it shot at home. The additional stress on the horse, never mind the risks to the handlers, would not be worth the meat money to me...
Surprised nobody has suggested one of those animal communicators **searches for tongue in cheek smiley**
This has been an interesting read. I don't know the horse, and would not presume to judge whether it actually has a future or not. If the owner has decided that it does not, and they are sufficiently experienced (and IMO 4 months would be plenty of time to reach that determination), then I must conclude that their decision is the right one. The only thing I would say is, with a horse this dangerous/distressed/diseased, I would have it shot at home. The additional stress on the horse, never mind the risks to the handlers, would not be worth the meat money to me...
Surprised nobody has suggested one of those animal communicators **searches for tongue in cheek smiley**
minkymoo
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To be fair, the OP did insinuate that there was a project /challenge involved here, so most of the early posters could be forgiven for assuming that the horse was just very difficult rather than dangerous.
I feel that some of the comments on this post referring to others lack of horsemanship wasn't very nice, this was a confusing post in the first place.
And no, I don't want it thank you!
I feel that some of the comments on this post referring to others lack of horsemanship wasn't very nice, this was a confusing post in the first place.
And no, I don't want it thank you!
lilpinkso
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'Professional' doesn't mean jack. I have taken on horses from professional yards, where they've written them off, infact my own horse was sent to two professional yards by his previous owners, he had reared and landed on his owner twice, eventually things had got worse until all he would do is go backwards, literally - the 'professionals' advice? shoot him.
I was called in to help as a last resort, and within a few sessions he was sorted- this was over 3yrs ago now, he has since been nicknamed 'Jason the wonder horse' is a chilled out gent, great with kids and been used in demonstrations!
In the professionals opinion he (and many others i've trained) would be dead now.
There are professionals out there, in the true sense of the word, but peoples trust of that word worries me, shoot a horse because the 'professionals' say so?...
(I have worked in stud yards, handling dozens of stallions in the uk and america - not one has used a stallion chain...
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I wouldn't say from a post description as to whether I think this horse can be 'saved' or not, has it even seen a vet? I would want to see it and know more, so I couldn't possibly comment! but if I had a pound for every time i'm told a horse can't be saved, or the 'professionals' can't do anything with it.....
Ok, rant over.. sorry, but it's a sore subject for me
I was called in to help as a last resort, and within a few sessions he was sorted- this was over 3yrs ago now, he has since been nicknamed 'Jason the wonder horse' is a chilled out gent, great with kids and been used in demonstrations!
In the professionals opinion he (and many others i've trained) would be dead now.
There are professionals out there, in the true sense of the word, but peoples trust of that word worries me, shoot a horse because the 'professionals' say so?...
(I have worked in stud yards, handling dozens of stallions in the uk and america - not one has used a stallion chain...
I wouldn't say from a post description as to whether I think this horse can be 'saved' or not, has it even seen a vet? I would want to see it and know more, so I couldn't possibly comment! but if I had a pound for every time i'm told a horse can't be saved, or the 'professionals' can't do anything with it.....
Ok, rant over.. sorry, but it's a sore subject for me