who has a good worming programme? share please! :)

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hey

whilst raff was on a yard, the YO bought bulk amounts of wormer and told us all when to squirt relevant one in... when i left i had a few syringes left, which she reminded me to squirt in. i *think* they were equisomething and pramox?!? are they names of wormers?? i alternated between them. i've now only got one left... so it's time to buy a bulk amount...

anyway, i'd really like to be able to write his worming programme onto my lovely new year planner... and buy a few in advance... so, can anyone tell me when i should be worming, and with what... please?

thankies.

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easiest one is equest and equest pramox - every 12 weeks - now should be doing pramox (does everything inc tapeworm) , mid summer equest, autumn pramox ...etc.

The thing about changing types of wormers is because of resistance to chemicals but as my vet says how do you know which one your horse is resistant to? equest and pramox is the only one with no known resistance. so although i dont rotate each yr i am not worming with something with a resistance (which would be pointless)
 
kezimac said:
easiest one is equest and equest pramox - every 12 weeks - now should be doing pramox (does everything inc tapeworm) , mid summer equest, autumn pramox ...etc.
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oooh, they are the ones! woohoo!

so, it's literally pramox now, then in 12 weeks equest, then in 12 weeks pramox, then in 12 weeks equest?

cool. i can do that... and write it on my planner too! woo! thank you :D
 
I'd say you're a bit early to do Pramox if you look at the dates. I'd probably give an Equest if you're looking for something to use now and then a Pramox in May. If you give the wrong product at the wrong time you don't catch the worms you were aiming for.
 
oh i asked vet - just checked this too off their site

Dosing guideline Equest Pramox

The recommended dosing interval for the control of small redworm is 13 weeks. For optimum control of bots, the product should be administered in the autumn, after the end of the fly season and before spring as the larvae may start to pupate and therefore are less sensitive to treatment.
Veterinary advice should be given on appropriate dosing programmes and stock management to achieve optimum parasite control
It is suggested that EQUEST PRAMOX is used in the spring and autumn, as control of tapeworm is recommended every 6-months3. And EQUEST, licensed to control roundworms, bots, and all stages of encysted small redworm larvae is recommended for use in the summer and winter.

it says before spring (i.e. now really or a week or two ago)
 
Pramox NOW, not in may

pramox is to do the tapeworm which should be treated march/april and or september/october.

clippy as you have your horses at home you wont want to keep using that plan indefinitely but you will be ok to do it for another year or so. (because of resistance)..... come back to me when you want to change (I wont necessarily confuse you now!)
 
ester said:
Pramox NOW, not in may

pramox is to do the tapeworm which should be treated march/april and or september/october.

clippy as you have your horses at home you wont want to keep using that plan indefinitely but you will be ok to do it for another year or so. (because of resistance)..... come back to me when you want to change (I wont necessarily confuse you now!)
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thank you!

pramox is the syringe i have left over (makes sense) so i'll do pramox now.
i'll be grazing a couple of sheep with them. will that make a difference...?
 
Personally I would use the Pramox now and would worm count in the Summer, only using Equest IF I had a "positive" sample and was advised to do so. I would then Pramox again in September/October and worm count again over winter.

I always use a chemical wormer when it's tapeworm time as they're not detected in worming samples, but I wouldn't routinely worm in Summer and Winter unless my worm count analysis suggested I needed to.

I have my worm counts down via my own vet at £6.50 per horse.
 
My programme is;


Worm count in January

Pramox in April

Worm count in June

Promax in November

Muck pick fields every day

All mine have always had a < 50 'no eggs seen' results, never had tapeworm, and never had an e.redworm problem.

It's a good value for money programme and I'm not putting chemicals that are not required into my horses so also prevents resistance.
 
clippy if you are poo picking twice a week in summer this is sufficient to break the cycle, I have nothing against worm counting throughout the summer months but dont see its purpose in january really? If it were me I would do a couple in the summer grazing months instead. :)
 
I pooh pick twice a day over summer, when the horses are out 24/7. The winter fields are not pooh picked as they are grazing in 15 acres per field. They get harrowed and grazed by cows all summer.

I don't actually worm count in the middle of winter. I use a tapeworm wormer last week September/first week of October and worm count four -six weeks later. If it's clear, I don't then worm count again until summer, after using tape worm wormer again in Spring (I did mine a week ago).
 
Mum does ours every day... I let her ;)

just going on the time it takes for eggs to develop to larvae that can infect you only need to do it twice a week. If I didnt do what I do re worming I would do what you do patches :)
 
You need to try and develop a programme that is suited to your horse and situation, We need to move away from blanket worming and move towards finding out which horses are carrying worms and dose them accordingly. You will still need to treat at strategic times of the year for tapeworms and encysted small redworm as these cannot be detected from egg counts. Tapeworm can be detected via a blood test, currently there is no test for encysted small redworm.
I would look at doing equest pramox now and doing an egg count in 13 weeks time, if the count comes back at less than 200epg (eggs per gram) I wouldn't worm.
I currently do my own horse with equest pramox just once a year (end jan/early feb) I had vet out in oct so got him to do tapeworm test, it came back negative so I didn't worm, this means I have drastically cut down the chemicals given to my horses, meaning that chemicals will work when needed.
 
ester said:
clippy if you are poo picking twice a week in summer this is sufficient to break the cycle, I have nothing against worm counting throughout the summer months but dont see its purpose in january really? If it were me I would do a couple in the summer grazing months instead. :)
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There is ALWAYS a purpose to worm counting, no matter what the month is, and you should always time it a number of weeks after worming for the most accurate result (this varies from wormer to wormer).
 
depends on the past history I suppose.

If you have treated for encysteds in november and are poo picking daily no eggs are going to be getting to the infective L3 stage at those temperatures so I would be v v surprised if you would ever get a >50 epg count. You are much more likely to have a problem during summer grazing when development is accelerated and hence why I dont think a single FEC is adequate, as in yours are going from june to november which is 4/5 months. Just my opinion that its not how I would do it.

Or you can do what parasitologist suggested to me.... buy new horse, worm it with ivermectin, worm count a week later and if it has a count at all. sell it :D. I got told off for laughing at that ;)
 
Just to prove a point I normally poo pick every day or at least not mroe than three days without. This year with full time work and my mum working late we have only been doing once every couple of weeks with the idea we would swap the horses between the paddocks while clearing the other one. However electric fencing problems meant they ended up in all 4 of my paddocks. As a result I have gone from <50 for three years now to 400 (as recorded this month) I am gutted. I normally do a worm count in Sept time. x
 
very interesting though toffee, thanks for sharing.

and 400 isnt that high, requires treating but certainly not terrible. If it helps (though I know it cant always happen) as I said it is recommended twice a week in summer and once a week in winter will do the trick (thats because they develop slower in winter)
 
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