U.N.Owen
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Yes which is why I think the entries are low. Would be better to just be cob.
Who is the associated championships for?
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DressageCob
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The TCGA cobs are split between part and full. My horses have had to be part breds because they don't have recorded breeding, even though they are obviously cobs when you look at them. I ended up competing against cow print warmbloods so I'm not sure it was much different to normal BD for me 
if it were up to me, I'd make it cob type and cover all cobs based on type rather than parentage.
if it were up to me, I'd make it cob type and cover all cobs based on type rather than parentage.
smiggy
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No, they aren’t , placings are 1 to 10 across all the sections combined but with an extra first place for each section as well.
Sort of makes it even more unfair as most classes have loads of bronze and silver and a few gold , so gold riders have even more chance to bag a prize
nikkimariet
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Ah ok thanks for explaining. I suppose some classes would be tiny (or non existent) if all split out though, unlikely to be viable.
The champs aren’t aimed at amateurs though, they were built around the idea of celebrating like for like types / breeds of horses. So the gold riders still aren’t doing anything wrong.
St Nicnaclaus
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There are only a smattering of gold riders so no different to normal BD classes.
It's great to see so many veteran horses and riders still going strong.
Can't see any baroque classes?
It's great to see so many veteran horses and riders still going strong.
Can't see any baroque classes?
Squeak
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On the flip side though it's great that gold riders are riding the non warmbloods and showing what they can do. If we didn't have riders taking cobs/ tbs/ natives etc up the levels, it would be discouraging and easy to think that they were only suitable for prelim/ novice.
Areas are for amateurs and Associated champs are for different types/ breeds. If people don't like competing against silver and gold riders then they could stick with Areas.
And what happened to working your socks off to be able to be competitive with the Gold riders? At the associated champs they'll likely be similarly mounted (veterans aside) so it should be possible.
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ihatework
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Hallelujah
SEL
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Neither of mine have recorded breeding despite being hairy legged, stocky and very much the type gypsies would have driven. I'd throw them all in together too.The TCGA cobs are split between part and full. My horses have had to be part breds because they don't have recorded breeding, even though they are obviously cobs when you look at them. I ended up competing against cow print warmbloods so I'm not sure it was much different to normal BD for me
if it were up to me, I'd make it cob type and cover all cobs based on type rather than parentage.
NiceChristmasBaubles
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The baroque classes were yesterday. If you are using the link I shared, you might have to 'open up' Tuesday to see the results. There were at least two ex forum members competing in them.
millitiger
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Oh gosh, I've just realised I'll be a dreaded gold rider with my youngsters next year 
I don't think I'm the sort of rider people are thinking of in this thread and definitely not a pro but has made me wonder how people might judge me when looking at entry lists
I don't think I'm the sort of rider people are thinking of in this thread and definitely not a pro but has made me wonder how people might judge me when looking at entry lists
Ossy2
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We have a TGCA full bred cob we’ve taken to the associated champs in previous years, won elementary and medium in those years when there was 5 or 6 in the class, however he is now at Adv Medium about to go advanced and as they’re classes only go to medium we haven’t focused on associated champs this year. If the TGCA class had been “Cobs” and part bred cobs combined I would not have bothered going as some of the part breds are essentially WBs with a bit of cob in the breeding somewhere, I can compete against those at normal or pet plan shows.
If I take our baby cob to them in future years I will be a gold rider at some levels, does that mean I should not take my cob to these and showcase the breed, afterall that was what these were for showcasing a breed not a rider. You might be in a class with bronze, silver, gold riders but there are still prizes for highest place in each section.
I think we should celebrate those more experienced competition riders who take non conventional breeds through the dressage levels, otherwise what is the point, we’d just have a load of WBs.
If I take our baby cob to them in future years I will be a gold rider at some levels, does that mean I should not take my cob to these and showcase the breed, afterall that was what these were for showcasing a breed not a rider. You might be in a class with bronze, silver, gold riders but there are still prizes for highest place in each section.
I think we should celebrate those more experienced competition riders who take non conventional breeds through the dressage levels, otherwise what is the point, we’d just have a load of WBs.
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ihatework
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Definitely keep going out!
It’s lovely to see different breeds producing high calibre dressage tests at their respective level.
DressageCob
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The problem with the part bred class is that it is largely WBx cobs. That's why I'd make it cob type. So if it looks like a cob it can compete. If it looks like Valegro dressing as a cow for Halloween then it can't
I'm in a similar boat. No Ad Med class for cobs so not aiming for it anymore. My baby cob may be allowed to be a pure bred (I'm not sure; he has recorded breeding as a "pedigree" Irish cob, but he's not TGCA registered) but I'd be gold for the lower levels. I will probably take him, mainly because I don't think we will be competitive in the gold section of the normal prelim/novice because that's all pros on WBs.
Ossy2
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Even a cob type class I wouldn’t bother, ours are proper heavy traditional cobs, I.e what TGCA is all about, some people seem to think if they’ve got some kind of show cob they are a traditional cob but they don’t look or move anything like ours.The problem with the part bred class is that it is largely WBx cobs. That's why I'd make it cob type. So if it looks like a cob it can compete. If it looks like Valegro dressing as a cow for Halloween then it can't
I'm in a similar boat. No Ad Med class for cobs so not aiming for it anymore. My baby cob may be allowed to be a pure bred (I'm not sure; he has recorded breeding as a "pedigree" Irish cob, but he's not TGCA registered) but I'd be gold for the lower levels. I will probably take him, mainly because I don't think we will be competitive in the gold section of the normal prelim/novice because that's all pros on WBs.
Ours have no recorded breeding but have been over stamped by the TGCA based on their assessment of the horse.
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Supercalifragilistic
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Sorry if this is a silly question - I have a 14:2 cob (lots of bone and chunky) but he’s solid coloured and presented plaited and trimmed for BD. No recorded breeding. I assumed because he wasn’t a gypsy type cob (not hairy or coloured), or have papers for a part bred native pony, we couldn’t do the associated champs. Reading the above though is it possible to have him over stamped as a part-bred cob so we could compete?
smiggy
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It’s interesting that some classes go to higher levels and some don’t. I can understand veteran riders going up as they have been doing it for longer and are riding anything , but natives and part bred natives go above medium as well. Do you think they originally thought there was no demand ? They might change it if enough people ask . Otherwise it’s discrimination against cobs
Ossy2
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Ours are solid black, I would contact TGCA and send them some photos and see if they will over stamp as part bred then you could compete in part bred classes
SEL
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A couple of decent photos showing bone & hair should easily determine if its a cob type.The problem with the part bred class is that it is largely WBx cobs. That's why I'd make it cob type. So if it looks like a cob it can compete. If it looks like Valegro dressing as a cow for Halloween then it can't
Unless Valegro pops on leg hair extensions.
DressageCob
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Yes you could have passport stamped as a part bred. The TGCA will assess looking at photos. It's helpful if you have some photos of him looking fluffier but not essential. My old cob was clipped and plaited and was accepted through photos. My current horse is supposed to be a hairy; both his parents were super hairy traditional cobs (although not registered) but I keep him hogged and clipped and he was accepted as a part bred based on photos.
Shoei
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It’s interesting that some classes go to higher levels and some don’t. I can understand veteran riders going up as they have been doing it for longer and are riding anything , but natives and part bred natives go above medium as well. Do you think they originally thought there was no demand ? They might change it if enough people ask . Otherwise it’s discrimination against cobs
I agree, this is the forum to show off what the breeds can do, I think if there is more of a call for it then BD would facilitate and with the best will in the world these types of horses (I have a gelderlander and a dressage bred warmblood) can't be competitive generally at the higher levels for BD, even though they can do amazing tests! Lets really celebrate these horses and the hard work and training that the riders have done.
ihatework
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I’m surprising myself (must be an age thing) but I’d quite fancy a crack at some dressage on this fella. The hair is holding me back though 
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Cobwithattitudebackagain
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Dry much agree. Our part bred Shire won the pb draught horse bronze at ele. The class allowed him to compete against other heavy horse types. He is very much Shire, weighing 750k. Dad pure and mum, a Shire vanner cross. In an ‘Ordinary’ BD class he is eclipsed by more standard types…… Celebrating was fantastic and made all that effort worthwhile.
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ester
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its the right colour hair though. . .I’m surprising myself (must be an age thing) but I’d quite fancy a crack at some dressage on this fella. The hair is holding me back though
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winnie
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Go for it! I've had 2 Dales, both did/doing well at dressage. We've been to the Associated for the reasons above, to showcase the breed.I’m surprising myself (must be an age thing) but I’d quite fancy a crack at some dressage on this fella. The hair is holding me back though
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