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If im feeding a scoop of chaff/hi fi and a cup of linseed, what can I get away with feeding weight/scoop wise in a meal in addition to this?


I mean how much is too much per meal for a 15.3?
 
Wasn't it something along the lines of 100g per 1kg of horse? As a total for the day. Or did I get that from a bag of feed?
I know forage os 2% of body weight.
Shows how much I retained from that course
 
2% in total of body weight in dry matter is a ration to maintain condition in light work. It's difficult to work out unless you are feeding dry hay (as opposed to haylage and/or grass) as a basis though, and that is why feeding was always considered an art. Unless you have your grass or forage analysed it is also difficult to tell the proportions of carbohydrates (for energy and condition) protein (for body function and soft tissue rebuilding) vitamins and minerals your horse is getting.
The grazing or forage is the basis, bucket feeds are the icing on the cake which just make up for any shortcomings etc in the forage. So you can feed as much or as little in a bucket as you think is needed, depending on whether he is losing or gaining condition.
They are doing the course again if you are interested in learning this stuff for yourself
 
clippi said:
Wasn't it something along the lines of 100g per 1kg of horse? As a total for the day. Or did I get that from a bag of feed?
I know forage os 2% of body weight.
Shows how much I retained from that course
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The slides and lectures are archived and still available to view. :)
 
What Amandap says^. Of which no more than 1g per 1kg of bodyweight should be starch, and no more than 100ml per 100kg bodyweight in oil.
 
Thank you,that's fantastic :) just wanted to make sure that when I add speedie bedtime not going over his limit.

I was all signed up to do it last time but had other things I had to focus on so will definitely be doing it this time :)
 
That's dry weight btw, so speedibeet will look like way more when it's soaked, but you don't count the weight of the water :).
 
TwoStroke said:
That's dry weight btw, so speedibeet will look like way more when it's soaked, but you don't count the weight of the water :).
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Thank you... As I said, currently he is on 1 scoop of hi fi, about 150g of linseed and I've just started adding 1 scoop of speedie beet.... He has this twice a day... I will increase the speedie beet by half a scoop if I think he needs it.

Coblover63 said:
:D I'm guessing that's an "auto-correct" error but it's very funny....
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Lol, yes damn you autocorrect! :p
 
No that's not correct I'm afraid. The 2kg limit is the maximum for a concentrate/grain/pellet ration because of the high starch levels in this type of feed. What you are feeding is low in starch, and speedibeet in particular is a low starch, fibrous food. So you can feed as much as you see fit.
 
The 2kg is per meal, with no more than 1g/kg starch per meal. For a 500kg horse you wouldn't want to feed more than 0.5 kg of starch per meal, the remaining 1.5kg to be made up of non-starch components.
 
Well, currently he now has about 2/3 hi fi, 2/3 speedie beet and a cup of linseed twice a day with the hi fi being changed to something like readie grass when I'm close to running out... The meals look huge for my liking:eek: but the I'm used to feeding a max of a scoop! He seems to like it though:rolleyes:
 
Pebble101 said:
The 2kg is per meal, with no more than 1g/kg starch per meal. For a 500kg horse you wouldn't want to feed more than 0.5 kg of starch per meal, the remaining 1.5kg to be made up of non-starch components.
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Yes, this is my understanding as well. The 2 Kg per meal is to not over fill the stomach in one go. Bucket feeds are eaten straight off unlike long stem forage (grass, hay etc.) which requires a lot of chewing.
 
TwoStroke said:
That's dry weight btw, so speedibeet will look like way more when it's soaked, but you don't count the weight of the water :).
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This has always interested me because if the stomach can only cope with 2kilos the weight and volume of the food in a meal will be much much heavier when you add a soaked food to it.
My tb gets chopped straw ,oats ,linseed and speedibeet The speed at which he can put this away is concerning .
If I add more straw the volume of the food will be way over the ' size ' of meal that's recommended and it does not slow him down much.
 
Seems to be a difference between weight (2kg per meal dry matter, not sure where this has come from?) and volume (in one meal for the contents of the stomach - I can't remeber the actual figure, but it is in litres. Someone will no doubt be able to add it). The volume doesn't necessarily correlate with the weight, especially when it is a soaked feed, which is yet another reason to concentrate the focus on the hay/haylage/grass which is trickle fed throughout the 24 hours. Or if you do need to feed a great deal of concentrate, take the daily ration and divide it into as many meals as you can.
 
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