why are people so bitchy about rich horsey people?!

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why are all horsey people with a bit of cash labelled as lazy and arrogant and as only buying the latest accesories because they are too brainless to do anything except follow trends?!

if people want the latest gear it doesnt harm anyone!

i sometimes think theres more than a bit of the green eyed monster about this..........i cant afford it so why do THEY need it etc etc.

i buy loads of suff i dont *need* because its trendy, so shoot me!
 
its jealousy pure and simple :D i'm bloomin skint and so never buy anything new if i can help it...but i would if i had the money...i get jealous at people who can afford nice, new, sparkly things but i'm happy to admit that its jealousy- i don't begrudge anyone buying themselves new things if they want them :D
 
dont get me wrong and for one second think iv got pots to waste on utter ****, but this comes up over and over again and drives me bonkers!

some people seem to feel others should give up all the money they have worked hard for, just to make them feel better!
 
Prince33Sp4rkle said:
why are all horsey people with a bit of cash labelled as lazy and arrogant and as only buying the latest accesories because they are too brainless to do anything except follow trends?!

if people want the latest gear it doesnt harm anyone!

i sometimes think theres more than a bit of the green eyed monster about this..........i cant afford it so why do THEY need it etc etc.

i buy loads of suff i dont *need* because its trendy, so shoot me!
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No guns here..

I think maybe its because 90% of people who own horses don't have that kind of money and work bloody hard to support having a horse and well, there are some people out there that i have come across who have all the money and don't give a hoof about their horse etc.. all generalisations of course and I suppose it is agreeing with what you are saying its just normal isn't it. You are always going to be jealous of people who have what you want, if my best friend won the lottery i would be happy for her but i would still be bloody jealous.
 
pure jealousy, i guess.
must admit, at the Nationals last year I was totally envious of someone whose breeches, saddle pad and bandages all matched exactly, all in the same pale primrose colour, mmm, looked stunning.
 
one word springs to mind... jealousy!

we are pretty much as poor as you can be and still have a horse, but if someone with wads of money comes along, in a fancy lorry, with white bandages, oodles of fluff, and stupidly expensive kit, then i really couldnt care less tbh! Judges dont look for that, and it doesnt give you any advantage whatsoever.

Feeding, care and correct work is what makes you sucessful, not money. So aslong as i know my horse is doing aswell as he/she should be at the current point in work, then i couldnt care less if the beat me or i beat them!

The only time i have a little giggle to myself is when you get an utter numpty whos a daddys girl who comes along with all the gear and no idea, and go home having done cr*p, and then sulks about it, because the expensive horse/gear hasnt conned anyone into thinking that they're a brilliant rider. However, if the riders a fab rider, then why not make the most of it!?
 
I no a couple of rich horsey ppl and there soooo nice, if i had all the money in the world id probably buy everything for my wee man so why should they if they wana :) ... but i no a couple of ppl who have everything for there horses yet do not go near the things which annoys me as id kill to have a trailer etc
 
I've not been coming on these forums for long, but have got the impression that 90% of the people on it like to criticise others! My mum always said theres nobody as bitchy as a horsey lady, and I'm starting to think shes right!
 
jealousy. Been on the receiving end of it myself :( but soon took them down a peg or two by politely informing them it was all down to my DEAD husband that I could afford what I've got, buy and do, you've never seen anyone look quite so shell shocked I can tell you :eek:
I consider myself very lucky as I can afford whatever I need for Pidge and don't have to worry about comp entries, diesel for lorry etc. However I don't flaunt it I just get on and do it. I work damn hard full time as well as looking after my horse on DIY livery and conversely am not averse to hunting for a horsey bargain either :p
To those that are jealous and then bitchy obviously lead sad shallow lives.
 
Jealousy...I am very very jealous(shockingly childish :) and though I would never be a bitch about it I think some people would.

Though it does do well to bear in mind that the jealousy comes from a real sadness that I can't go to the events I want to go to, compete at the level I want, give my horse everything I want to give him, keep him at a nicer yard....it is not quite so shallow as simple jealousy. It's a kick in the teeth when you see others who don't have to worry about these things. But it makes me sad more than jealous.
 
I'm prepared to admit I'm jealous of those with their own horses, but I wouldn't be bitchy or begrudge them of anything.
I do however get irritated with certain young riders I've come across who have the loveliest horses, have the money to do and buy what they want, but don't appreciate it.
 
I think people have only respect for those who work hard to afford what they want. They have every right to spend their money how they wish.

I think it's fair to say that 'bitchiness' is often directed toward those who people perceive are not spending money they directly earned themselves. In which case I suppose people are responding to what they see as unfairness that someone has a set of entitlements they don't appear to have earned, which puts them at an advantage over others. That sense of unfairness is exacerbated in a sport where that ('unearned') financial advantage then has an often-close correlation with results and opportunities, such as dressage.
 
Bab said:
I think people have only respect for those who work hard to afford what they want. They have every right to spend their money how they wish.

I think it's fair to say that 'bitchiness' is often directed toward those who people perceive are not spending money they directly earned themselves. In which case I suppose people are responding to what they see as unfairness that someone has a set of entitlements they don't appear to have earned, which puts them at an advantage over others. That sense of unfairness is exacerbated in a sport where that ('unearned') financial advantage then has an often-close correlation with results and opportunities, such as dressage.
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Perfect answer!
 
Bab said:
I think people have only respect for those who work hard to afford what they want. They have every right to spend their money how they wish.

I think it's fair to say that 'bitchiness' is often directed toward those who people perceive are not spending money they directly earned themselves. In which case I suppose people are responding to what they see as unfairness that someone has a set of entitlements they don't appear to have earned, which puts them at an advantage over others. That sense of unfairness is exacerbated in a sport where that ('unearned') financial advantage then has an often-close correlation with results and opportunities, such as dressage.
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Ditto this. And it really irks me. If someone has been lucky enough to come into money then they have the right to spend it. And you know fine well those 'bitchy' people would spend the money quite happily if the positions were reversed.
 
I don't know many people in horses that actually have money....bar one family. I am incredibly envious of their beautiful horses, flash lorry, new tack etc etc etc. I don't "bitch" about this though. I think I know the circumstances in which they came in to their money and THAT I don't envy.

However, there is one family member that does diddly squat and allows other family members to chase after her. She's not particularly nice to the rest of her family which are all lovely. She comes across as "poor little rich girl" and to me that's just disgraceful (so I tend to bitch about that, however IMO it has nothing to do with money). However, their family, their money, their horses....let em get on with it. I'm quite happy to do away with my loan horse, the tack that I buy when I can, repair when it needs it, rugs that have holes. And worst of all - NO TRANSPORT - <sigh>. But I'm happy enough with what I've got so no need to bitch.
 
As a photographer I know who is more likely to buy pictures and it is often not the people who can "obviously" afford it. Appearances can be deceptive- never judge a book by it's cover. Sometimes when you start to read the pages of the rich horsey people book, there's not a lot of depth, passion or commitment.

Live and let live.
 
I don't have a big budget so my horse tends to get the basics that he needs but I can honestly say I'm not jealous at all.
I'm not into being trendy and buying the latest gear anyway, so even if I had more money I probably wouldn't bother. If someone else gets pleasure out of it then good for them.

The only time I object is when someone assumes they are a better / I am a worse owner than them because their horse has lots of stuff that mine doesn't. Those people really are the minority though and I've probably only come across a couple of them over the years.
 
Ok, I'm going to say something that *might* be controversial here but hey ho:

I don't think it is jealousy pure and simple, and I don't think it is about people having money. I think it is reflective of a very strong bias in the culture of this country against anything that is (usually incorrectly) viewed as "elitist". A lot of what PS is talking about is people ensuring that they and their horses are turned out impeccably in public at all times. To *some*, that can be interpreted as somehow "elitist" and therefore BAD and must be disparaged as "all the gear and no idea" or something along those lines.

When actually in a lot of cases, those who go the extra mile to ensure that they and their horses always look their best are also those who take their training and schooling and competing seriously, and hence tend to be successful. Whether they have money or not.

I have NONE at all, I hasten to say. What little I do have goes on making sure I and my horse are comfortable and look our best.:eek::D
 
Because they are jealous. Simple as. I find it's even worse when the person in question is young and beautiful too like the celebrities.

Of course not everyone is bitchy!! Lots of horsie people are lovely, there are some lovely people on here who always seem happy when others do well or get a new saddle ect. Then there are some very miserable, bitter people as well. Takes all sorts :) at least it makes life interesting I suppose...
 
Halfstep said:
Ok, I'm going to say something that *might* be controversial here but hey ho:

I don't think it is jealousy pure and simple, and I don't think it is about people having money. I think it is reflective of a very strong bias in the culture of this country against anything that is (usually incorrectly) viewed as "elitist". A lot of what PS is talking about is people ensuring that they and their horses are turned out impeccably in public at all times. To *some*, that can be interpreted as somehow "elitist" and therefore BAD and must be disparaged as "all the gear and no idea" or something along those lines.

When actually in a lot of cases, those who go the extra mile to ensure that they and their horses always look their best are also those who take their training and schooling and competing seriously, and hence tend to be successful. Whether they have money or not.

I have NONE at all, I hasten to say. What little I do have goes on making sure I and my horse are comfortable and look our best.:eek::D
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I think you are spot on. The British have their own cultural relation to wealth that is not necessarily shared by other cultures. For example, in Greece the wealthy person is admired, no matter how they came about their wealth, purely because they came about it. In Britain people are much more modest, reserved and self-disparaging. The favourite saying in Greece is "Do you know who I am?" meaning that I am the most important person in the world. In Britain any display which may be interpreted to mean that person thinks they are better than others is really frowned upon.
 
For me its a respect thing in that if someone has done some good and worked hard building up a business or climbing to the top of the career ladder then thats fantastic and what they spend their money on is up to them.

However I don't really like the disparity in income between footballers, OK magazine photo celebs and people who do real solid jobs.

I mean I can't get my head around someone earning £100k a week kicking a football and someone earning that a year as a hospital consultant etc or nobel peace prize winner.

I think for me the wealth has gone to the wrong people and in society we are valuing the wrong things. In the case of the Terrys i'm sure she's lovely and no-one should begrudge what she spends her money on but he is a skank and so are his criminal family. IMO they don't deserve that kind of wealth.

Its nothing to do with jealousy and I think that is a far too simplistic answer, its just I'd rather the rich people in horses were people the kids could aspire to be like.
 
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Prince33Sp4rkle said:
why are all horsey people with a bit of cash labelled as lazy and arrogant and as only buying the latest accesories because they are too brainless to do anything except follow trends?!

if people want the latest gear it doesnt harm anyone!

i sometimes think theres more than a bit of the green eyed monster about this..........i cant afford it so why do THEY need it etc etc.

i buy loads of suff i dont *need* because its trendy, so shoot me!
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ditto i buy things that i don't need but... i will not name name here!! the people i know can be inconsiderate although i think they are lovely people others are so jealous but whats the harm if you can afford it ?? i would be the same!! and now i have a job so i can get more pointless stuff :D
 
yeah but everyone must admit it gives you a bit of a kick when you see "poor little rich girl" on her advanced event horse that cost more than most peoples houses trying to get round a pre novice and really stuffing it up...
Or maybe thats just round here.....lol.
I don't think its jealousy as such, more irksome is the fact that a lot of people I know throw a lot of money in to these high powered, well bred horses who have often been ridden by professionals and then expect to take them down a few levels and win straight away without putting the ground work in at home. They never learn the slog it is to produce your own horse through the grades and then irritate you further by trying to tell you what to do with your own horse from the hodgepodge of "training" sessions they have had with a few trainers when really they have no feel or empathy for the horse in question. When the horse goes sour or starts to play up it is the horses fault and NEVER fault of the spoilt brat riding it. Maybe I see it more than most because of what I do (buy and sell) and often we are asked to take these poor beasties in to re sell and sort out when it all gets messed up (FYI I've got 3 very expensive warmbloods right now who are all in to sell and all have been bought for small fortunes, two dressage and one event horse ridden by idiots and trashed. even though these are still salvageable none are going to be easy to turn around as they have turned negative). It is DEFF. worse in eventing and dressage circles, and pony SJ don't even get me started on. SJ horses though tend to have more sensible riders who see it more in black and white. You have to trust me when I say there are a lot of very good horses out there who are talented enough for top stuff who have been completely wrecked by all the gear no idea riding.
Fair play to anyone with money who is driven and dedicated to their sport and who buys a nice horse an then has a great deal of training on it and is prepared to work through the blips. However I do think that the ones with the throwaway attitude are the ones that give the "rich" a bad name.
 
Jealousy is the work of the devil!

For example, Katie Price, I don't mind her and certainly have no issues with her having lots of dressage horses, but some people comment how she can't ride to save her life and didn't deserve to do her display at HOYS. Why not? Jeez I think most people on here would do EXACTLY the same as KP if they had the same amount of money. I say go for it, the same with Toni Terry!
 
I really do think it depends on the person

There are good rich people and there are nasty rich people. There are good poor people and nasty poor people. There will always be those people who have no value of money, buy a good horse, trash it and don't care. However there will be poor people who pick up a dirt cheap ex-racer, trash it and dont care...
There are rich people who spend tons money but who really passionatly care for their horses and put in a lot of effort keeping them tip top. There are poor people who buy a cheap horse and put everything into training it up and treat the horse like king.

I really dont think you can judge people on what they do/or dont appear to have.

I remember about a year after I met my amazing OH. We were at Badminton and we were walking the XC course. He said to me 'so how much do these sort of horses cost'. I was like 'errrr not sure, maybe about 40-60k?'. He said 'you do this sort of thing don't you'. I laughed and said 'sort of but at a much lower level'. He then said 'if you promised me that you will work hard to get here, I will buy you a 40k horse'. I looked at him and he was dead serious. I laughed again and said 'thats so lovely thank you but that horse would be wasted with me! I'm happy with the horse I have now, I'd rather train her and see where we end up :)'

Now he knows what a money pit horses are (4 years down the line from that conversation!!) he has realised what I meant and I have trouble getting anything out of him now for the horses ;). If I was a really good up and coming top rider I would have bitten his hand off and he would help me. However a horse like that would be a curse to me, i'm not used to expensive horses. I've fallen in love with my perfect horse and he's a cheapo ex-racer but he is everything I could possibly want temprement and ability wise and half the fun to me is bringing him on.

I suppose my point is like before, I really do think everyones situation is different and you can never never judge untill you know someone. Thats why I dont bitch about rich people unless I know them to be really nasty. Tbh some of the worst people i've met are the wannabe rich people.

I also dont work, I myself am not rich at all. But if someone says to me 'oh just hanging off the coat tails of your bf' I get really pissed off! No but slogging behind a desk for 40 hours a week for 1k a month in a dead end job being miserable when it doesnt effect our lifestlye.. does that make sense?? Would you be happier if I did that?? Am I lazy? No, Im up at 6.30am doing my horse, I drive a 3yr old Vauxhall corsa and I have a cheap ex-racer. My jumpers have holes in and I rarely take out my chanel handbag or wear my louboutins because tbh I dont really care about being seen.. my one indulgence in life is time.. time to do what I want.

However I have nothing against those footballers wags who want to flaunt their cash. Its their life, they can do what makes them happy. We only live once. If you want the expensive saddle and the 40k horse and you can afford it, your not hurting anyone so why not??

Im the first one to feel uncomfortable if I see someone who is being horrible to their horses or abusing their position/status/wealth whatever but untill you walk a mile in someone elses shoes you cannot judge...
 
jealousy pure and simple.
There is a real attitude that buying something at the bottom of the scrapheap is somehow a superior method of purchase to buying a nicelly produced horse at whatever level.
And as for feeling good when someone who has money has something go wrong-shame on you.
There are good and bad in all, there are people who are snotty and people who dont put the work in at all levels.
At the end of the day, if you work hard and are moderately intelligent and sensible you will have enough to spend on little extras, and if people inherit wealth-well lucky them.
Why should they then not spend it on a nice horse or equipment?!
So many of the disparagers of the people with money have no idea what they do with their horse or training. And for those who say 'oh well I know x and she doe nothing but yank her horse around etc. etc.' -I can show you jus tthe same person without money.
 
The horsey world is a funny old thing!! And certainly a bitchy place to be!!

Sometimes though it can be really hard to accept when you have worked your arse off for years for something, and then someone with money comes along and can get to the same place in two seconds flat due to their money as they can buy their way there.

That is hard to accept for most people that don't have a bottomless bank account.
 
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