Why are people so downright RUDE??????

Fruddy

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Before I start, the incident below happened a while back, and I did post it on another forum at the time, but I have been talking to another friend tonight who had a very similar thing happen to her today, when viewing a horse to loan, so I just thought I'd stick up the earlier experience and ask the question - why are people so bloody rude??? Has anyone else experienced this when, very genuinely, viewing a horse to loan?????

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I went with a friend of mine this evening, who was replying to an advert for a full loan. One of the stipulations of the loan was that the horse was to be kept on it's present yard, even though it is a full loan. My friend was quite happy with this, as it is a yard near her home with good facilities.

We got there at about 6pm, met the owner and horse. Both seemed very friendly. The horse's owner, (we'll call her Miss A) was very keen for my friend to loan the horse even before she had seen her ride. My friend had given Miss A a lot of background information before she came, her riding and horse care experience etc and what she wanted to do with her horse. Miss A showed us around the yard, which had very good facilities. There were people about but we weren't introduced to anyone, just shown where the tackroom/toilets etc. were.

The horse was tacked up and taken into the outdoor paddock. It was very windy but floodlit. Miss A rode first and obviously had difficulty in controlling the horse, whether it was unsettled by the windy weather or just in high spirits/playing up, we weren't sure, but it bolted twice and she had real trouble in controlling it. My friend is a very experienced rider, she has had her own horse for seven years. Miss A asked her if she would like to get on, which my friend did. Almost immediately, it seemed like every livery on the yard downed tools and came to the gates to watch. I really felt for my friend, as she had never been on the horse before, it was awful weather and the horse had been difficult to control for it's owner. To add to that, she had about eight pairs of strangers eyes watching her every move. She walked the horse around on both reins and then asked for trot on the left rein. She got two massive bucks in response but stayed on and eventually got a half decent trot. On the right rein, the horse spooked at something in the corner and took off at a flat out gallop on a diagonal across the school. My friend lost her stirrup and came flying off near the gate. She was fine though, and caught the horse. I suggested at this point that it might be an idea to maybe come back tomorrow, or when the weather was a little better, at which someone who I'd never met before said that if she was a "decent rider she could manage." I kept my mouth shut, because I was only there for my friend as an observer and in support.

My friend got back on the horse, at which point it bucked, reared, bucked and then spun and reared at the same time and had her on the ground again.

My friend then said that she was still interested, but could she come back tomorrow, it was dark, windy and outdoors, there were trees blowing and the horse was clearly not happy. Miss A (reluctantly, I though) said that she would have a "think about it" as there were other people intersted and that someone was due to come in the morning. My friend pointed out that she hadn't really had a chance to ride the horse properly given the inclement weather conditions and would appreciate a better day to try her out. As soon as she said this, one of the other liveries made a remark about "completely useless and inexperienced novices coming out to try a horse which they couldn't handle and wasting everyone's time." I intervened then and told her that my friend was not a novice, she had her own horse for a long time and was an experienced rider. This woman then told me to "wind my neck in", that I was "as useless as my friend" and we should both "go back to the riding school for a few more lessons!!"

To cut a long story short, I told Miss A that if this was the attitude of the liveries on her yard, it could well be a long time before she found anyone mad enough to loan her horse, given that any potential person had to keep it on the existing yard.

We left, feeling absolutely outraged to be treated in such a manner. I actually feel like making a complaint to the yard owner, I came home boiling but having thought about it, if the yard owner allows people of that kind to stable there, then he or she may well be as bad as them!

Needless to say, my friend is no longer interested in the loan.
 
Jesus, I really would have had to bite my tongue, you do wonder how these type of people manage to actually survive from day to day without getting a smack in the gob
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I do think that a lot of horse people seem to lack any common decency (obviously apart from everyone on here of course!). I hate to think what percentage of the posts that are on this forum alone are people ranting about the bad manners of other apparently "similarly minded" people.

Why can't people just play nice?
 
unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who always think they know better. Sounds like the horse has a few issues as despite the weather it shouldn't have behaved like that unless the owner is trying to hide something.

I feel sorry for your friend but I'm sure she will find another horse to share or have on loan. IMO she is best to leave that one alone!
 
Well, not good considering its the horse thats loosing out maybe.
Did you ask why it was up for loan ?
Maybe the owner is frightened of it ?

I wud just forget the whole experience.
 
Oh god! What a moo! This is why i got so nervous about going to see a horse to share for the first time - i'm more scared of the potential owner! Respect to you for holding back though - i may not be the most experienced but i still dont think anyone has the right to talk down to someone in that way.
 
Not everyone who loans a horse is like that. I had a perfect loaner for a year...she actually asked to buy my horse, she was so happy with her.
I think your friend has to be a bit more careful - when the horse behaves badly with its owner, walk away.
Good luck in looking...
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Yes how rude!
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What does it have to do with the observers anyway?
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I would have hated others watching me (though having said that, I went to try a loan horse once and the owner and her friend were there). Still, only one set of extra eyes for me.
I can't believe that someone so totally uninvolved would make such statements.
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I would HATE to be at a yard like that.
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I feel for your poor friend, personally I wouldn't have gone back to try it again because it sounds like a loony!
How brave of your friend to keep going with it.
One thing I have noticed (and may be on occasion guilty of myself) is how dreadfully critical horsey people can be of others. Often, the criticisers know very little themselves. This woman probably wouldn't be able to stay on the horse at a walk, if truth be known.
 
I used to break and school horses...and quickly found that there is a direct correlation between how many people turn up to watch you ride, and how much of a b@stard the horse is going to be
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I don't mind being watched...it was a useful early warning system...and more folk to help stretcher me off
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I used to break and school horses...and quickly found that there is a direct correlation between how many people turn up to watch you ride, and how much of a b@stard the horse is going to be
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I don't mind being watched...it was a useful early warning system...and more folk to help stretcher me off
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Shilasdair, do you know what???? You have just hit the bloody nail on the head!!

I was racking in my brains as to why everyone on the yard ran up the gate - it was the prospect of seeing someone on the deck after riding the horse!!

Looking back now, it has obviously happened before
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It must have been like an episode of Eastenders!! - "I wonder how long she'll stay on before she hits the deck...??"

The owner probably gets paid to do it once a week for entertainment - no intention of loaning the horse, just gets some sucker to ride it for the benefit of the amusement of the liveries.....
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Fruddy a little different than the OP but here goes...

I was looking for a new horse earlier this summer and went to try a horse from a riding school/dealing yard with a fancy website, excellent facilities bla blah you get my drift. I was a geniune cash buyer and really interested in a few of the horses they had for sale.

The yard owner was so nice on the phone and I felt we really connected, I arranged for a very good instructor from my sisters own large riding school to come with my sister and I for advice as the horses were quite pricey.

We were met with hostility from the start, we looked at the mare who was a bit worse for wear well scuffed up and really scarred on her back legs. The instructor made a joke to break the ice and make me a little less nervous about riding in front of everyone whilst the mare was being tacked up that I was looking for a saint and she was a chestnut mare and the owner bit her head off saying "when your as old as me young lady you will realise this supersitious stuff is a load of boll**** and you might actually learn a thing or two about horses"!

Then we watched the groom ride this mare totally flabergasted, I enquired about the mares background and he gave me a massively different story about her than he had on the phone and he blamed me for not listening at the time and argued against everything I said really aggressively!

The groom was still game to ride the mare before me at this point as she knew I really liked her so she put on her hat ready, at this point I asked how both her back legs were scarred (looked very recent) and he went balistic "you young instructors think you know it all" to the point we all felt very threatened and he was shouting and throwing his fists about in the air, we were actually a bit scared, we thought maybe the mare had jumped a fence or something and were not implying anything more sinister we just asked a normal logical question.

At this point my sister stepped in and said "I think we have seen enough and we are leaving... goodbye" and we walked (very quickly) back to the car. I have never ever been treated so badly, he knew I was not a time waster as I had travelled from abroad to see these horses at his yard and I had spoken to him at length on a number of occasions. I was so upset leaving there, I cannot believe he can actually sell any horses with behavior like that he was shocking.

We were all on the younger side (under 30) and that might have made him think we were time wasters without the cash however we arrived nicely turned out in clean breeches and boots, in a brand new Range Rover Sport and he knew my sister owned a large riding school/livery yard a county away, we were all very polite and I was just so happy to be in the UK horse shopping... he really spoilt the whole holiday for me and going to try more horses was the last thing I eneded up wanting to do it was such a bad experience.
 
Good God Karen!! That's bloody awful!!! Makes my friend's experience seem like child's play!!!

Some people are just indescribable......


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I think your friend, no matter how good a rider she might be, has had a lucky escape. I have been lucky enough to find a lovely loaner for my mare - she is a wonderful safe light hack with arthritis. The loaner cried when she rode her and told me she had seen so many horses which were verging on downright dangerous, that it was a breath of fresh air to come across a genuine horse and owner. Please tell your friend to keep on looking.
 
Karen - what a terrible experience. I went to a dealers yard where the horses were described as "Bomb-Proof" (yard has since stopped dealing due to court cases - so I'll leave it to your imagination to guess which yard I am referring to). We basically got out of the car, saw a couple of horses, were told a pack of lies and jumped in the car and made our escape asap.
 
I remember looking at that website in the past so I know who you mean! The sad thing is there is such a demand for nice genuine horses and ponies, why dont these dealers supply the demand, and get more repeat business from referals from happy customers.

I use to deal out here in Norway and I went the nice family horse/pony route as it is such a big demand. I bought some lovely horses with a few issues took time with them, the right feeding and training firm but fair and lots of love and 85% came right and have found great homes, I made a profit my groom/rider got thier cut on top of thier wages and all were happy. Most of my customers approached me through word of mouth from satisfied customers. The other ones were advertised truthfully with any issues honestly described and they also found the right loving homes.

I am too ill to deal now, its a lot of hours to spend out on the school and my riding has deteriated due to my illness worsening in the past year, hence my need to go find a genuine saint in the UK. Anyway I eneded up with a competition horse my groom will ride and compete on, all the pleasure of a quality horse without the pain of having to ride. I just ride my Ollie and put up with his odd tantrums and wobblies, thank godness for my body protector.

Did you find your dream horse in the end?
 
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I used to break and school horses...and quickly found that there is a direct correlation between how many people turn up to watch you ride, and how much of a b@stard the horse is going to be
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I don't mind being watched...it was a useful early warning system...and more folk to help stretcher me off
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Haha too true!
 
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