Why are people so pig headed about castration?

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I dont normally post in here, but I was having a conversation with someone at the weekend and felt it might be worth a post just to see whether I am alone in my 'rage' over this issue...:confused::D

A friend of mine was telling me about someone they know who has a one year old mongrel. He's very cute, and has a lovely nature, but he's pretty scruffy to look at and has a very dodgy back end - a definite mish mash of breeds! This person lives in the countryside where there are about 6/8 houses within a mile. The dog is still entire - because one day the owner says she would like to breed from him (why!?!?) - and he has recently taken to wandering off for days on end - the local animal shelter have taken him in several times when he's been picked up from neighbouring villages, and the RSPCA have picked him up twice. The dog has already impregnated a bitch belonging to someone living about a mile away - the owner had simply let the bitch into the garden for a wee last thing at night when she found her tied with this mongrel, who had jumped into the garden.
I do not know whether the mongrel's owner has offered any financial assistance with vet fees (bitch's owner did not want pups so paid for injection) but I suspect not. The woman told my friend that 'other people shouldnt let their bitches out if they dont want them pregnant - it's their responsibility, not mine.' And this bit takes the biscuit - my friend asked the woman whether she had contemplated having the dog castrated as it may calm his wandering instincts down and would certainly stop him sh*gging anyone else's poor bitches, and the woman said no way - she'd rather rehome him than castrate him. WTF???? If she rehomed him through the RSPCA or similar then the first thing they would do would be to castrate him anyway...

In my opinion, no dog should be left entire unless it is an excellent example of its breed, and if it is expressly intended to be used for stud purposes. It really, really narks me that some people refuse to have their dogs castrated purely because they feel 'it isnt their responsibility'. In the horse world, people in general seem to be a bit more sensible - ok there are a few manky stallions around for some reason but not many. Why hasnt this mentality transferred through to the dog world? I have known many male dogs in the past - both castrated and entire - and the ones who have been done are far nicer as family pets - and far less of a liability.

As the owner of a Lab who was twice 'caught' at the age of eighteen months and then two years by a neighbour's wandering dog when we had simply let her into the (secure) garden, this is something I feel very strongly about. Our bitch is now spayed, as will be any dog we own in the future. And dont even get me started on cats - IMO anyone who keeps a cat un-neutered - whether queen or tom - is utterly irresponsible.

Right - I've had my rant! How do other people feel about this?
 
Mind you, not sure I agree about horse people being any better, over breeding is a big big problem and there are some very strange (as in properly deformed) horses going through sales every day, unfortunately:(
 
Hand me those seccateurs!

*pushes OH into the queue* :o :p

It narks me as much as it narks you, especially when I consider my grandparents - despite losing their last JRT to testicular cancer, aged 10 (it had spread to his anal glands and lower bowel, bloody horrible way to go) they now have a two-year old entire male again because my grandad refuses to have him done. Typical blokish 'he won't be a real man' reasons. :rolleyes:

Even worse is that now they have sole control over the dog - both myself and my uncle walked and trained the previous one, as we both lived there part time, he was a successful agility dog - they let it get away with bloody murder. It bites my nan, has already bitten another dog badly enough that they had to pay for it to be stitched up, dominates their bed and pisses everywhere. It's supposedly a JRT but to me looks the spit of a staffy cross, and I know that shouldn't mean jot but with their handling it's walking all over them.

I know lopping his balls off wouldn't solve all of those problems but it would be a damn good start on his dog aggression and marking behaviour. :o

One of the reasons that I had my bitch spayed very early was because, despite this being quite an affluent area with mostly responsible dog owners, the amount of entire males we meet is amazing. Always the bloody mongrels too!
 
Crazy how some people think isn't it! With any luck if the RSPCA or dog warden pick him up again they might take action against his owner, though wouldn't hold my breath. Is it worth your friend having a discreet word with the dog warden, they might just visit the owner of this dog and put a bit of pressure on them.
 
I have conversations with dog grooming clients all the time about why they should not mate their less than perfect purebreds...to the point where I've lost clients over it.

And besides...I really hate having to clip knots from around testicles! Give me a nice smooth area every time rather than all that bumpy geography! LOL :D
 
God, I would love to see some of these people tell me my dog is anything but all-male.
Yeah, he has no balls, he has no sheath (Looooong story :p) but he is no wimp.

To me it would have been more cruel to let a dog, however good his bloodlines are, who is too big, has allergies, only prelim hip and elbow x-rays, dog-aggressive tendencies and waterworks issues shag himself senseless with another unsuitable female, producing a litter of puppies with potential problems, than to never let him have the opportunity at all.
 
I read a very good pro- neutering slogan recently;

Real men have their own balls- Neuter your pet!

I found it funny AND informative ;)
 
I have only ever kept one entire male. HOWEVER, you would be hard pressed to know he was entire. He never showed any interest in bitches in heat, didn't randomly hump things, wander etc.

He also happened to be an excellent example of an old fashioned working bred lab :D Pity he wasn't interested in the ladies :p
 
I agree, plus to let it wander off when there are other dogs around, that's quite irresponsible. As for horses i know a woman who has a terrible stallion, never been used for being a stallion as it has awful, terrible movement, conformation and when they ride it they constantly saw at its mouth just to drag its head in and it looks terrible, hardly ever gets turnout as they cannot afford to have it at a yard with the correct facilities and once or twice it got out of its stable and was loose on a housing estate that has two farms very very close, it is obese due to hardy any exercise and huge bucket feeds, iv never felt so sorry for a horse! I can never in a hundred years see it being used to stud duties so whyyyy keep it entire!

sorry for the rant but basically you are not alone i think that people should be responsible for their animals so that they can be happy!
 
It really annoys me that the dog's owners refuse to take any responsability! We have a pedigree English Setter bitch who "met" a gypsy's mongrel with rather too much alsation in it for my liking! (Sorry Alsation lovers, I know that they are lovely dogs in the right hands) You can imagine what the puppies would have been like. They refused to share the vets fees for the injection and tried to blame us. Clearly we weren't entirely blameless, but it was their dog who was wandering into our garden three times a day. It is just as much their responsability as ours to control their dog.
 
I had a dog die under anaesthetic being neutered. I now have 2 entire lurchers and do testicular exams rather than put them through unnecessary surgery.

Edit - they don't roam and I am responsible about keeping them in check on walks.
 
I had a dog die under anaesthetic being neutered. I now have 2 entire lurchers and do testicular exams rather than put them through unnecessary surgery.

Edit - they don't roam and I am responsible about keeping them in check on walks.

Wish I hadn't read that - just dropped my 3 year old boy off at the vets for his op this morning - to say i'm fretting about the anaesthetic is an understatement! :(
 
He'll be fine Mollichop, anaesthetics nowadays are very safe, and he won't be under long for a castration. You met Saffy at the bbq, she had a GA about a month ago and romped through it, she is 12 and a half.
 
Mollichop - he will be fine!!:) Sweep had a GA last year at 11 and as you saw is fine (well for a spangle......;):D:D:D) He has had 3 in his lifetime - one for castration as one testical was undescended so he would have been at more risk of cancer, one for his face lift:eek: and one lump removal:rolleyes:. There is always one sad story but there are also thousands of good stories were there is no lasting problem from a GA.:)

I think its a shame they can't be 'done' like lambs at days old at it would solve some of the problem - of course the eejits still wouldn't do it....................:rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D:D
 
I know!! :D Thats what I mean though - if nature made sure they were already 'there' like on lambs they could be done at 2 or 3 days old so at least the boy puppies would be dealt with. Although as I said it still wouldn't stop the eejits with all their 'designer' cross breeds!:rolleyes::rolleyes::D
 
My yellow lab had fantastic breeding but she was spayed after her first season. I would have loved her to have a litter but my circumstances didn't allow it. This was about 20 years ago. I agree with op, why on earth would you breed a mongrel litter anyway. The poor pups will only end up in rescue centres. I have said that when the time is right, we will go to Labrador rescue and get our next dog/dogs. Our local paper keeps advertising SBTs, Rotties and Labs either free to good home or stud dogs. It just doesn't make sense to me at all.
 
Totally agree with you OP. All my animals (other than my mare and the goldfish!) are done! Don't even let the cats out until they are. Our friends have a lovely lab but he's not done and when we first had our lab I took her round to theirs and he was all over her. I hung onto her for the whole time I was there as she hadn't been spayed at the time as she was an ex-breeding bitch and the time wasn't right for the op. As soon as it was the right time she was done, so I can now relax when she is out and about. These friends have no intention of breeding from the dog and he is always escaping and paying visits to the local neighbourhood. Difficult to say much really, but I do make the odd comment!
 
I agree with spaying but my sisters OH has made the decision to keep his staffie boy entire. Before you all champ at the bit, it is actually because Alfie has a heart issue which means he could go off at any time so castration is not an option. Having said that, sisters OH was always overly protective of Alfie's balls but he had agreed that if Alfie showed any sign of mounting, disappearing or agression they would have been off. Think Alfie heard him - he was the best behaved puppy in all the training classes! It is the most sensible option and one I would always take but it is only fair to point out that it is not always straightforward - as with any operations there can be a risk.
 
I don't think anybody is disputing it when there are real fears, health issues, no annoying humping behaviour and people who are responsible with their males.

It's the people who let their entire dogs roam and believe that anything with a set of googlies should be allowed the chance to sow their seed, especially if they can screw money out of it to boot, that are the problem.
 
I'm so glad other people share this pov!
If you aren't planning on breeding the dog, what is the point in keeping their equipment (as it was!)?? (Other than, as mentioned above if circumstances don't allow the op etc)

Many people cringe at the thought of having their dog castrated :rolleyes: then complain profusely that "he's very boisterous and he keeps mounting things" ... well, I wonder why??? :confused:

And (sorry for the rant here!) but what is it with people who breed dogs with KNOWN genetic problems to make a quick buck?? Our GSD has horrendous skin problems and has cost us thousands in treatment and now they've discovered that its hereditary - and this was from a 'reputable' breeder!
One of my lecturers at uni works on the Keeshond Program where they are able to trace back in the pedigree to work out the probability of puppies in a litter to suffer from epilepsy (he is a genetics tutor :p) and I think this is a fantastic idea - why can't we have one of these for every breed?

But yeah, if you don't want to breed either be very, very responsible (which admittedly, not to tar everyone with the same brush, some entire dog owners are very responsible and don't let this happen) or get them chopped off! ;)
 
KellysHeroes can you PM me the name of the breeder/kennel please and any of his lines, if you know them?
I've heard there can be real skin problems with linebreeding on a certain German male. My male has been awful in the past but it has stablilised now. I don't doubt his breeder had no idea at all, none of his siblings have it (I know them all) but there is no way I would breed from him.
 
I havn't had Paddy done yet as he is still very well behaved and does not go off on his own. (11 mths) I do know younger dogs that have gone off looking for trouble, the owners seem to not notice the dog has been gone a while? I'm hoping Paddy won't bother too much but if he does or his temp changes he will be ball less!
 
I haven't had Harley done yet either (8.5 months). There is a posibility I might show him and they need to keep them for that! (there is another reason other than breeding to keep them)

I have no intention of breeding from him. His behaviour is excellent, so at the moment that doesn't worry me. But if I don't show him, I'll probably have him done for the health reasons.
 
I havn't had Paddy done yet as he is still very well behaved and does not go off on his own. (11 mths) I do know younger dogs that have gone off looking for trouble, the owners seem to not notice the dog has been gone a while? I'm hoping Paddy won't bother too much but if he does or his temp changes he will be ball less!

Please could you PM me the details too if poss? I also have a GSD with horrendous skin issues (insured thank god!).
 
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