Why are professionals not barefoot?

Wow, "de riguer in the dressage world" well, I've never seen them! Doesn't mean they aren't used but they are certainly very uncommon. People use all sorts of strange things in all disciplines but it shouldn't tarnish everyone else. Main reason for shoeing dressage horses is probably because a sand based surface is very abrasive and can wear away the hoof, shoes help to prevent this. Eventers are shod because they need extremely good grip in all ground conditions, difficult to achieve this without suitable studs (which is a bit of an art in itself) SJs on grass, well that's a bit obvious too, try jumping a big track on wet grass at speed without studs! Lots of my friends have BF horses and ponies, not because their horses have "broken down" or have issues but because frankly, they've not needed to shoe and are glad to save the money.

I have never seen shoes like this EVER! I certainly wouldn't shoe any of my dressage horses like this. All of my young horses are unshod until they start serious work and then the shoes are there to support them. Until then they hack and school unshod with no problems.
 
You can have unshod/bf horses living out full time in a sand turnout area and their hooves wont wear away to bloody nubs. I had to use my sand school as a turnout area once for flipping months (the horses were in it 24/7) and I promise you that their hooves were in fantastic condition at the end of this time.

I also hack for miles and I still can't get to the point where they self trim. :mad:

Turnout in a sand school isn't quite the same as working a horse but that's really not the point. You're obviously doing the right thing for your horses and it works for you. What I don't really understand is why you get seem to get so angry if other people choose to manage their horses differently. Personally, I'm all for choice and as long as the horse is happy and sound then that's fine.
 
Main reason for shoeing dressage horses is probably because a sand based surface is very abrasive and can wear away the hoof, shoes help to prevent this. .

Any the hooves don't grow? If barehooves can cope with endurance rides I can see no reason why they would struggle with schooling on sand. Sand might be abrasive but it has more give in it than roads and roadwork is great for barehooves.
 
Turnout in a sand school isn't quite the same as working a horse but that's really not the point. You're obviously doing the right thing for your horses and it works for you. What I don't really understand is why you get seem to get so angry if other people choose to manage their horses differently. Personally, I'm all for choice and as long as the horse is happy and sound then that's fine.

Sorry, you misunderstood (I wasn't clear enough) the :mad: was aimed at my horses, who despite my best efforts to get them to the point where they self trim, just grow more hoof, faster.

I certainly have no anger towards those who manage their horses differently to me (as long as the horse's welfare isn't compromised - Big Lick TWH springs to mind here).

I do get frustrated with some untruths that are spouted again and again (eg, TB's have crappy hooves), because so many TB's could have better lives if people knew that something could be done to improve their hooves (most owners want the best for their horses and are more than willing to make the changes that would help them). Saying it's genetic, makes people feel that there's nothing that can be done and that they just need to accept the situation. Very sad.
 
Genuinely interested in how people believe that shoes "protect" the hoof and "support" it.

I'm not looking for arguements at all. I see these statements made continuously and my brain can't comprehend it. Can someone who shoes for these reasons please explain to me?

I can understand how shoes are fitted and the effects but don't get the protection/support angle at all. I'd do an embarrassed smiley now if I knew how!
 
The 'hooves wearing' comments are the ones that drive me the most nuts.

My TB's are all barefoot, they are worked in my sand school, on my walker which has a concrete base and hack out across all sorts of terrain inc 1 mile road work, sand tracks, grass, stoney rocky sections and heather tracks. This week one has done 2x 2hr hacks, 3 x 40 min in the walker and 4 x schooling sessions in the sand school of at least 45 min but usually 1hr. This is a pretty average week for him and has been his routine for the last year. His feet grow so quickly that he still has to have a rasp around them every 2 weeks. I have another 2 who also work 5 days a week on average though one does more hacking and one does more school work.

The stimulation from working on different surfaces makes hooves grow. Yes some horses are in the wrong situation or fed a diet that doesn't aid the hoof as well as it could. Not everyone can give their horse a lifestyle that suits barefoot, some horses have metabolic issues that mean it's not possible and some people are just so used to shoeing they cant see beyond the end of their own noses and aren't willing to actually look and learn just for the sake of gaining knowledge just incase it comes in handy one day.

As for the pro situation, I think things are changing slightly. There are a few dressage riders who actively keep their horses b/f to aid soundness and movement - Emma Hindle and Lucinda McAlpine immediately spring to mind - and there have been a couple of b/f racehorses win recently. On the whole however shoes aid consistency and that's something the pro's need when they have so much more on the line.

I do think that over the next few years we will see more amateur riders competing barefoot, some through choice and some, like me, because they used to shoe and it made their horses lame/had a negative impact and thus they have had to make changes.

I'm also really interested in the 'support' and 'protection' comments. Again without starting an argument I'd love it if the shod folk would just explain what they mean. I thought my horses feet were 'protected' by shoes for a long, long time, I had no idea they could and should take weight on the sole/frog.

Having now taken shoes off 4 TB's I'm amazed at what the hoof can do given time and the right situation - I wish everyone could have seen it too, I think then folk would be better able to make decisions over hoof care.

Personally it's of no odds to me if someones horse is shod, but I see so many horrifically shod horses when I'm out and about, IMO it's time owners educated themselves in what a good hoof should look like and how it functions, whether shod or not. I didn't and I ended up with my 'best' mare being diagnosed with navicular. Please learn from my mistake and don't make it yourself.....

And don't start me on the 'typical TB feet' thing.... :)
 
The 'hooves wearing' comments are the ones that drive me the most nuts.

My TB's are all barefoot, they are worked in my sand school, on my walker which has a concrete base and hack out across all sorts of terrain inc 1 mile road work, sand tracks, grass, stoney rocky sections and heather tracks. This week one has done 2x 2hr hacks, 3 x 40 min in the walker and 4 x schooling sessions in the sand school of at least 45 min but usually 1hr. This is a pretty average week for him and has been his routine for the last year. His feet grow so quickly that he still has to have a rasp around them every 2 weeks. I have another 2 who also work 5 days a week on average though one does more hacking and one does more school work.

The stimulation from working on different surfaces makes hooves grow. Yes some horses are in the wrong situation or fed a diet that doesn't aid the hoof as well as it could. Not everyone can give their horse a lifestyle that suits barefoot, some horses have metabolic issues that mean it's not possible and some people are just so used to shoeing they cant see beyond the end of their own noses and aren't willing to actually look and learn just for the sake of gaining knowledge just incase it comes in handy one day.

As for the pro situation, I think things are changing slightly. There are a few dressage riders who actively keep their horses b/f to aid soundness and movement - Emma Hindle and Lucinda McAlpine immediately spring to mind - and there have been a couple of b/f racehorses win recently. On the whole however shoes aid consistency and that's something the pro's need when they have so much more on the line.

I do think that over the next few years we will see more amateur riders competing barefoot, some through choice and some, like me, because they used to shoe and it made their horses lame/had a negative impact and thus they have had to make changes.

I'm also really interested in the 'support' and 'protection' comments. Again without starting an argument I'd love it if the shod folk would just explain what they mean. I thought my horses feet were 'protected' by shoes for a long, long time, I had no idea they could and should take weight on the sole/frog.

Having now taken shoes off 4 TB's I'm amazed at what the hoof can do given time and the right situation - I wish everyone could have seen it too, I think then folk would be better able to make decisions over hoof care.

Personally it's of no odds to me if someones horse is shod, but I see so many horrifically shod horses when I'm out and about, IMO it's time owners educated themselves in what a good hoof should look like and how it functions, whether shod or not. I didn't and I ended up with my 'best' mare being diagnosed with navicular. Please learn from my mistake and don't make it yourself.....

And don't start me on the 'typical TB feet' thing.... :)

That pretty much mirrors my thoughts too. And I have only taken 1 TB barefoot
 
Just remembered that I had this pic on my phone....



Indy after a session in the sand school - self trimming in action! Love this! Yes it shows the fact that the sand does rub the hoof, but I can genuinely say that no matter how much work we do the hoof has never become too short. The sand is also fantastic for exfoliating soles and frogs while they are shedding. :)
 
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