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our rottie has just been attacked :( poor Rocky.

He was out in the yard with Diesel, MIL's rescue rottie who is clearly carrying a massive chip on his shoulder...

He will literally try and eat anyone who comes near him other than MIL, my OH, me and OH's little bro. He's only allowed with one dog ... Rocky. Tonight we were all in the garden chatting, Rocky walked past minding his own business and BANG Diesel just laid in :( 2 broken brooms, a hose in the face, a kick to the nuts/head/body. screaming, shouting etc and a big hole in OH's arm later and Diesel finally released his jaws from Rocky's throat!

As far as i'm concerned the dog is dangerous and should be PTS but Rose (MIL) won't have it because she 'loves him' my god woman wake up!!! (and yes i did tell her that a min ago but i wasn't quite so calm)

She doesn't even see her own grandchild as she can't have any children in the house because of the dog!

Now he's locked in the back porch and will be there most of the time as he can't mix with the other dogs here, what sort of life is that for him? He never leaves the back yard as it is because of his ways.

If he had randomly attacked me like he just did i would not have an arm left, no doubt about it!

Sorry for the rant just needed to SHOUT!!! :D:D

Healing vibes for The Rockster :(
 
Has she thought about seeking professional help, ever? Although it may be too late for the poor lad. How will she feels if he kills someone else's dog? And what a life for him :(

Hope Rocky recovers, loads of vibes. We had a nasty fight a good few years ago and the older bitch came through really well from what looked like a horrible neck injury.

No use this time and I know we all do things in the heat of the moment and I hope it never happens again to your dog or any other, but hysteria, breaking stuff over a dog, punching and kicking it will encourage an aggressive dog to hang on and keep fighting - the best thing you can do and something that will minimise risk to yourself is to grab the dog's collar/loop a lead/belt high up around the neck of the attacking dog and pull up, lifting it's front legs right off the ground and if poss get someone to also raise the attacked dog to prevent tearing.
This will cut off the air supply to the attacking dog and it will let go quicker and you have the leverage to be able to remove it a short distance away and much more calmly.
You see this in protection work where the helper will shout, aim a pretend kick at the dog or slap the whip against his leg, a 'strong' dog will then hold the bite even tighter.

Like I say, not that I hope it ever happens again so you have to try it :(
 
Thanks CC :o I know the hysteria really didnt help but at the time in the middle of the yard with nothing around didnt really know what else to do. Bruce went to stick his hands round his throat and pull back but he turned on him and before Rocky could get away he was back in there :( just wanted him off poor Rocky who was screaming his little heart out being dragged upside down around the yard. He's not long stopped shaking :( I've bathed him with detol and hot water twice. Don't think he will need vet but will keep an eye on him. He's following me around like a sorry little sheep :(

She won't consider help...i suggested that tonight - this dog doesn't even get flea'd (i know i know!!) cos he will attack you. He spent the first year of his life hidden from society in a flat with a couple of chavs who knew nothing about dogs. Shame cos he can be very sweet but, as shown tonight by turning of his best friend who he does everything with, is just an 11 (ish) stone unpredictable beast. He can't mix with any dogs and hardly any people. I won't be alone with him now .... not a chance

He, in my opinion, should be PTS for the safety of everyone and for his welfare... :(:(
 
Dear god whats the matter with the woman? I agree wholeheartedly that this is an animal who should be PTS. Poor Rocky - next time who will it be.

This makes me so angry.

To be honest I wouldnt be anywhere near this dog, in company or on my own and wouldnt have any of my dogs near it either. The answer is to lock the dog up.....what sort of life will he have. Its just not fair on him or any of you.

I just pray MIL sees sense before the police start calling.
 
Oh I understand, but even if someone reads this and it helps them break up a serious fight with minimum fuss in future, I hope it helps.

Jeez he sounds like a liability, no wonder with that start - I really hope the next time I read about Diesel isn't in a newspaper report :(
What age is he? Is there any chance he could ever be properly socialised with correct guidance?

Doesn't sound like a happy dog - pity you're so far from Cayla!

Fingers crossed Rocky isn't too badly hurt. My two had a right wing-ding yesterday, sibling japes soured, they just kept pushing each other too far, it really sounded like they were killing each other, I know when they are messing and this really didn't sound like messing, I broke it up and checked them both over, not a mark, just a lot of slobber - all mouth and no trousers - and they were right as rain a few moments later. I was so scared and I can't imagine in this serious fight how horrible it must have been for you, fearing the worst.
 
I agree the principle is good CC, but all I can say is best of luck to anyone trying to choke off a rottweiler :o I had to choke Talisker off a (dead) animal once, he weighed approx 3 1/2 stone and it was a enormous effort for me, and I aint no wimp :D
 
Well I can get a full size dog off a sleeve and I am not a big lassie.
If there is a man in the vicinity one can ask him to assist. It's usually the men who go in all guns blazing shouting kicking etc so they are the ones who need the advice more.
Anyhoo, sorry for going OT, SA.
 
CC he's 3, he's been here nearly 2 years now. He's very good with MIL and me in particular. He will give paw/other paw, sit, lie, roll over all with just hand commands ... not silly by a long way but just so angry, but angry in unpredictable ways.

We have tried, on many occasions socialising him. We've walked him out and about (with 3 collars and 3 leads in case one slipped etc!) but has literally dragged OH (6ft 4 tall and 18 stone) towards other people/dogs/little kiddies on push bikes that are a fields length away. After very little sign of improvement we decided it was too dangerous and the 'what if's' got the better of us all. Is it worth trying to help him at the risk of him literally killing someone?? No, i don't think so.

Such a shame...he's very handsome, if that's any consolation!! :rolleyes:
 
Obviously my lil ol lurcher was somewhat tougher than I realised then :p:p:p

SA I agree with you, if MIL wont accept professional help then PTS does seem to be the only option :(
 
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Nope, I think the only help he could have now is proper, qualified/experienced rehab (which he really should have had from the get-go, and I take it he is entire...) but as you say if he is that unpredictable and unreadable then it isn't worth it.
 
Sounds a horrible situation for all concerned, hope your boy soon makes a full recovery, but also so sad for Diesel if he can't enjoy a happy life then a dignified end is probably the best course of action.

Hope you get it resolved one way or another, perhaps MIL will change her mind and seek help once she has had time to reflect on this evenings events,

Hugs... JDx
 
That is awful:( - poor Rocky :(- hope he is all mended soon and he isn't to upset by it - big hugs for him.:(:(:(

Diesel sounds very unpredictable and I have to say I wouldn't want to be around him:( - not his fault due to his early up bringing but if she wants to keep him she needs to get proper help to deal with him and fast before his behaviour escalates.:(:(:(
 
agree with you all - he should have had proper help as soon as he was rescued from the hell hole he was dragged up in from 8 weeks old :( It's not his fault, it's the ignorance of people thats made him like it (to a certain degree) Little Rocky here wouldnt hurt a fly, he's been well socialised with dogs/people/children from 10 weeks and loves loves loves people!!! His whole bum wiggles when i come home from work!!!! :D:D Yes, he is entire (Rocky isn't)

I hope she has a serious think tonight. This is Diesel btw ....

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Well if she is going to keep him the only fair thing to do for him is to have his nads off pronto and then some serious rehab - TBH his life at the moment isn't a huge improvemnet on his original one - except he goes out in the fresh air instead of being in a flat 24/7. No life for any dog least of all a big one like Diesel - surely if he was getting regular excercise he would be a better dog to be around?:confused:
 
He's out in the garden/yard (and it is massive - concrete and grass) for most of the day and then in the porch and enclosed back yard bit for the rest of the day. We make sure he's exercised enough - throwing his ball for at least an hour a day. As i said, he's usually out with Rocky - but then tonight :(

He is 'happy', well fed, watered, play time etc not stuck in a one bed flat for hours on end whilst they are out and then shut in the bedroom when they had visitors as before. Hence his problem with people. His life is far better than before....without a doubt.

I agree his balls need to come off too, but as it's not my dog .... i don't see her logic at all but hey ho.

She wants to introduce Rocky and Diesel again tomorrow, both on leads and see what happens.... hopefully it was a one off but i'm not convinced.
 
Spudlet said:
Really sad, but I think he should be PTS:( He is way too big and powerful to be so unpredictable:(
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as hard as it is to say it, as i know him and his little ways, and i know it's not all his fault - this is exactly the way i feel :mad::mad::(:(

Will let you know what happens with him, very hard :(

Rocky is on the sofa :rolleyes::rolleyes: under the fleece blanket - probably thinks he should get attacked more often if this is the treatment he gets :rolleyes::p
 
Scranny_Ann said:
He's out in the garden/yard (and it is massive - concrete and grass) for most of the day and then in the porch and enclosed back yard bit for the rest of the day. We make sure he's exercised enough - throwing his ball for at least an hour a day. As i said, he's usually out with Rocky - but then tonight :(

He is 'happy', well fed, watered, play time etc not stuck in a one bed flat for hours on end whilst they are out and then shut in the bedroom when they had visitors as before. Hence his problem with people. His life is far better than before....without a doubt.

I agree his balls need to come off too, but as it's not my dog .... i don't see her logic at all but hey ho.

She wants to introduce Rocky and Diesel again tomorrow, both on leads and see what happens.... hopefully it was a one off but i'm not convinced.
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I would refuse to reintroduce them via a lead, esp if the aggressive dog cannot be reprimanded, it's very important to have the ability to reprimand the aggressor, otherwise u have nothing to prevent the attack which should be evident via his body lanuage, it sounds like your MIL has no control over him, I would not use your dog as a dummy esp when this dog is kept solitary most of the time and still has knackers.
Lead introductions can actually highten the aggression in the aggressor (does that even make sense):rolleyes::D and the handler themselves can even trigger the aggression if no compitent.
 
AHHH Cayla there you are!!! Thank GOD you have commented on that .... i am not at all happy with it and will be showing her your reply. Poor Rocky is a nervous wreck here tonight. Think a trip out with my nutty spangles, who he adores, is in store for him tomorrow, just so he isn't under the impression every mut around is going to attack him :(

Do you fancy another rottie at yours?? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh and i suggested to her about half an hour ago, that his balls need to come off and she said .... "impossible he will ever be operated on as there isn't a vet in the County that will ever get near him, let alone operate on him" ... WTF ...
 
Scranny_Ann said:
Oh and i suggested to her about half an hour ago, that his balls need to come off and she said .... "impossible he will ever be operated on as there isn't a vet in the County that will ever get near him, let alone operate on him" ... WTF ...
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She does know they anaethetise them before chopping their nads off doesn't she??;):rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D:D
 
LOL well this is the MIL we're talking about anything is possible hehe.

I said jokingly - "ah be ok ... slip a little sleeping tablet in a piece of ham, wait for him to pass out and then off to the vets for the snip - problem sorted!!" .... she wasn't amused to say the least!!!!! :p:p:p:D:D Maybe i should learn not to make jokes at inappropriate times *ahem*
 
Scranny_Ann said:
AHHH Cayla there you are!!! Thank GOD you have commented on that .... i am not at all happy with it and will be showing her your reply. Poor Rocky is a nervous wreck here tonight. Think a trip out with my nutty spangles, who he adores, is in store for him tomorrow, just so he isn't under the impression every mut around is going to attack him :(

Do you fancy another rottie at yours?? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh and i suggested to her about half an hour ago, that his balls need to come off and she said .... "impossible he will ever be operated on as there isn't a vet in the County that will ever get near him, let alone operate on him" ... WTF ...
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Send him here, I will have those balls off!!

He needs to be castrated and walked routinely and the handler need to be absoloutley 100%confident and able before he is socialised with any dog (training class with an experienced person) would be a good start, and I would not risk a good natured dog being a dummy for an aggressive dog, this can effect the other dog in so many ways and possibly make him anxious or aggressive or aprehensive towards other dogs himself after a bad attack.
If I introduce aggressive dogs into my pack, it is my responsibility to keep my dogs safe, esp when im working with larger dogs, if you are aprehensive or scared to step in to stop another dog being attacked without a huge deal and heightening the situation then don't go there!
 
Scranny_Ann said:
LOL well this is the MIL we're talking about anything is possible hehe.

I said jokingly - "ah be ok ... slip a little sleeping tablet in a piece of ham, wait for him to pass out and then off to the vets for the snip - problem sorted!!" .... she wasn't amused to say the least!!!!! :p:p:p:D:D Maybe i should learn not to make jokes at inappropriate times *ahem*
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Sedation may be a good idea, but any vets should accept him, esp if he is muzzled before hand, it's a quick jab, once thats done, he is out for the count:rolleyes:, then tied out ready for home time, or owner comes to get him from his kennel, but those balls need to go!
 
CAYLA said:
Send him here, I will have those balls off!!

He needs to be castrated and walked routinely and the handler need to be absoloutley 100%confident and able before he is socialised with any dog (training class with an experienced person) would be a good start, and I would not risk a good natured dog being a dummy for an aggressive dog, this can effect the other dog in so many ways and possibly make him anxious or aggressive or aprehensive towards other dogs himself after a bad attack.
If I introduce aggressive dogs into my pack, it is my responsibility to keep my dogs safe, esp when im working with larger dogs, if you are aprehensive or scared to step in to stop another dog being attacked without a huge deal and heightening the situation then don't go there!
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There is the problem straight away - Rose is, although her heart is in the right place, a manic, scatty, shreiking wild woman!!! I mean i've lived next door to her for over a year now and she still calls me Emma, Amy, Jess ... or anything else which she fancies at the time... :confused::confused: She is also crippled with a bad back so is not and never will be able to hold her own when it comes to Diesel. OH is not here enough to be persistent in his training, he is a self employed Gardener and Contractor, nor am i - if im not working i'm with my spangles (oh and how i love them!!! :p)

I will take Rocky with me tomorrow, i'm worried it will have mentally damaged him, as you say and i'm not having him made into anything remotely aggressive because of this.

Personally, and to be honest, before tonight i have been 100% confident when handling Diesel, making sure i am boss when food is around etc but can't say i will be from now on! Not seeing the damage that can be done so quickly, and totally unprovoked. I like my body parts intact! :o
 
Wow, those two together are a recipe for disaster. Even if he was rehabbed, if he was handed back to her and they went on with their lives, do you think they would improve together or would it be the same old story over again?
 
Dear lord, she is well out of her depth with that dog! if there is no hope of etting himsocialised and chopped and she wants to keep him, I would make it good and clear he is not be be around your dogs at all, rotts are big powerful dogs and they can and will do immense damage, males are and can be especially dominant, he looks like a bruiser, it's lucky it was another rott, I doubt one of your little spangle would come out unscathed like that.
Such a shame cos as you know rotts are fab dogs, my rotti is my my number 1 aid for socialising other dogs.
 
Can't offer advice re Diesel, have to say I would probably be going down the pts route, he looks to be too powerful a dog to take any risks with.
I hope Rocky is okay. Just a word of warning, we had 2 bitches fight years ago, one had the other round the neck so sounds very like poor Rocky tonight. Once we separated them I checked her carefully but could find now wound (bear in mind how thick a GSDs coat is round the neck), but a few days later she came up in a huge abcess under her throat. Took her to the vets and it actually burst in the waiting room, lovely. Once her coat had been clipped and she had been cleaned up it was clear there had been a puncture wound that I had totally missed.:o It was lucky really it formed the abcess and burst rather than set up any worse infection, so do keep an eye on Rocky, hopefully he will be fine, although probably sore tomorrow.
 
CaveCanem said:
Wow, those two together are a recipe for disaster. Even if he was rehabbed, if he was handed back to her and they went on with their lives, do you think they would improve together or would it be the same old story over again?
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Well .... for fear of my OH accusing me of blaming it all on her... which i don't, i do think you are right :( He would be back here, with the back yard being 'his' and only 'his', he would be back to being protective over Rose and basically back to square one. But in her eyes, she's kind to him and therefore he is okay....

but as i said..... some people just don't see sense and one day he will either seriously injure or even kill another animal or god forbid a person.... he is dangerous :(
 
God help her if he ever goes for her then:(

I'd be keeping any dog of mine well away! As Cayla says if he got hold of one of the spangles it would be terrible:(
 
MurphysMinder said:
Can't offer advice re Diesel, have to say I would probably be going down the pts route, he looks to be too powerful a dog to take any risks with.
I hope Rocky is okay. Just a word of warning, we had 2 bitches fight years ago, one had the other round the neck so sounds very like poor Rocky tonight. Once we separated them I checked her carefully but could find now wound (bear in mind how thick a GSDs coat is round the neck), but a few days later she came up in a huge abcess under her throat. Took her to the vets and it actually burst in the waiting room, lovely. Once her coat had been clipped and she had been cleaned up it was clear there had been a puncture wound that I had totally missed.:o It was lucky really it formed the abcess and burst rather than set up any worse infection, so do keep an eye on Rocky, hopefully he will be fine, although probably sore tomorrow.
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funny you should say that Rocky has had a rather 'funky' hair cut ... with a pair or scissors!!!! I've cut the hair back short around the puncture marks and the one tear. He is just laid flat out and will let me do anything ... will wash with detol again in a min and see what he is like tomorrow morn. The area is very hot at the mo but after having that hanging off your neck im not surprised!!
 
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