why do people do this ?

Much too young to be doing all that. Poor little filly. Very sad. They even point out that she is not fully grown so there's no excuse. I remember a horse like this when I was a kid, had a massively sway back as had been ridden from 2 years old due to being bought at auction as older than she was :(
 
It's a lovely youngster , I don't jump my three year olds just got them off the ground a couple of times before they where turned away .
It really depends how much work they have done in that year the add reads like its a lot and the horse looks very polished for its age .
Do they really mean ridden for a year on worked on for a year , its hard to tell from the add.
I think In work without break for a year is more than I would like for a youngster.
 
I hate to see 3 year olds being jumped. I backed my 3 year old this summer and she has done very little work. I have hacked her a handful of times and she has had most of the summer off, it has been a bit of very light hacking it is all a baby needs to do.
If they want to jump and do lots of schooling then get an older horse.
 
I think it may also be their grammar. Do they mean:

"has been backed and slowly produced for over a year"

or

"has been backed, and slowly produced for over a year"

There is a difference, not that I like to see it jumping like that so young.
 
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Where are all the posts about the type of people who break horses at such a young age and expect them to do too much?
Oh sorry this ad is on H&H, not Dragon Driving - not sure what the difference is myself!

Personally I think any horse, no matter where it is advertised or by whom, is too young to be jumping at 3.
 
Gosh I only started my WB jumping this year, he turned 5 in feb, started jumping in March.

Way too young to be doing all that, looks a nice sort too. Shame
 
3 years old.
Hmmmmmmm, is she just turned three, or rising 4? Makes a slight difference.

No comment on the wisdom of it, I live in North America.

I can look on any sales website, any day of the week and find horses that have been showing/working cattle/doing whatever at three. I have a just turned three year old here. Been here a year. He'd been under saddle for eight months when he arrived.

Just one of dozens

http://www.horsetopia.com/for-sale/classifieds/ad544694
 
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emma.is said:
My thoughts too, but I don't like to see them jumping that young either way.
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Will be rising four from the look of her.
It's a difficult thing it may be a badly worded add if she been in ridden work a full year it's far to much and that would stop me even wanting to look at her if I was looking.
The difficultly would be knowing how much they have done
The jumping although it's not what I do if talented they could have got those shots without doing very much but if she's been jumping a lot it would really put me off.
 
its such a shame as they have obviously put in a lot of effort into producing a lovely horse by the looks of things. Just would be better giving her a chance rather than starting too early. Regarding the dragon driving comment, what do you mean? sorry if im being slow :o
 
Usually on HHO there is a great deal made of the 'type' of person who breaks their horses in early and then sell them on DD, often there is a great deal of outrage and calls for legislation to stop it, calls for the site to be banned etc etc just a noticable difference of tone in response to this :)
 
Enfys said:
3 years old.
Hmmmmmmm, is she just turned three, or rising 4? Makes a slight difference.
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agree this would maybe make it slightly less upsetting but i would think it would be an advantage advertising as a rising 4 instead of 3 year old? maybe it is just the wording and hope the filly hasnt been backed since 2.
 
YorksG said:
Usually on HHO there is a great deal made of the 'type' of person who breaks their horses in early and then sell them on DD, often there is a great deal of outrage and calls for legislation to stop it, calls for the site to be banned etc etc just a noticable difference of tone in response to this :)
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ah ok :) yes i thought this too. It just shows from what looks like a reputable person this still happens. maybe something to consider the next time a site is branded with a certain influence on horse welfare....
 
YorksG said:
Usually on HHO there is a great deal made of the 'type' of person who breaks their horses in early and then sell them on DD, often there is a great deal of outrage and calls for legislation to stop it, calls for the site to be banned etc etc just a noticable difference of tone in response to this :)
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Well it's not advertised as pulling a cart a two for a start.
And no one can say it does not look well because it does.
And not everyone thinks that legislation is the answer to such problems, I think calls for DD to be banned as just plain silly and although it's not what I do with mine some jumping at three is not uncommon
The scraggy thin mites that upset people on dragon driving would love to be as well muscled and fed as that horse looks.
 
Goldenstar said:
Well it's not advertised as pulling a cart a two for a start.
And no one can say it does not look well because it does.
And not everyone thinks that legislation is the answer to such problems, I think calls for DD to be banned as just plain silly and although it's not what I do with mine some jumping at three is not uncommon
The scraggy thin mites that upset people on dragon driving would love to be as well muscled and fed as that horse looks.
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Jumping too young knackers their joints, pulling a carriage at three is less damaging than over jumping at that age.

and what a about gallopping flat out with a weight on their backs? at two.
 
YorksG said:
Jumping too young knackers their joints, pulling a carriage at three is less damaging than over jumping at that age.

and what a about gallopping flat out with a weight on their backs? at two.
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I am not disagreeing with you but i am going to get whipped in a sense of false outrage about this horse.
In Ireland they hunt them at three it happens I don't like flat racing , horses lives turn on luck that's reality .
We don't know the horse has been over jumped yes its done more than I would do but it's not mine.
I am responsible for my own horses training not that horses.
 
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ah ok :) yes i thought this too. It just shows from what looks like a reputable person this still happens. maybe something to consider the next time a site is branded with a certain influence on horse welfare....
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How do we know that this is a reputable seller?
All we know is that they can take a pretty good photo and have broken the horse at 2, according to the ad, and jumped it more than once, judging by the style, at 3.
 
She looks lovely, but if I were looking I wouldn't entertain a horse of that age working like that.
She'd need a year in a field IMO.
I would want her looking like she had been hoiked in from a field and had some basic handling. I suppose it's just a bit old fashioned to start them so young and we are now understanding the issues caused by hunting them as 3 year olds, or jumping/driving/racing when they aren't grown ups.
 
A three year old or rising 4 year old should not be jumping at all in my eyes. If they had to insist on backing it then fine backed very lightly ridden for a few weeks then turned away for a year

I'd not even entertain any horse that had done any more work than that. Personally I just don't agree with it and would prefer my horse to last , not have spavins or such like by 8 years old.
 
She is rising 4 as ad says she was shown as foal in 2009.
All of you who own Irish imports will most likely have a horse who hunted or jumped at 3.
When you have hirelings in ireland they are "made" by 4.
Yes I am speaking from experience.
When we had tb's they were backed at 2, walk trot canter jump ditch &xpole chucked back in field, bit more done at 3, back in field until the spring when they were 4. Into work.
Other breeds were backed at 3 then holiday & started in spring of 4th year. Some big horses were left to mature a bit longer.
My point is some horses can be brought on quicker than others, we should not judge by the train of thought that one size fits all.
 
partypremier said:
She is rising 4 as ad says she was shown as foal in 2009.
All of you who own Irish imports will most likely have a horse who hunted or jumped at 3.
When you have hirelings in ireland they are "made" by 4.
Yes I am speaking from experience.
When we had tb's they were backed at 2, walk trot canter jump ditch &xpole chucked back in field, bit more done at 3, back in field until the spring when they were 4. Into work.
Other breeds were backed at 3 then holiday & started in spring of 4th year. Some big horses were left to mature a bit longer.
My point is some horses can be brought on quicker than others, we should not judge by the train of thought that one size fits all.
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This ^^^ is sensible reasoning. If you don't agree with it, don't do it; don't buy it. Other people do obviously agree with it. Such is life. And it is not automatic that horses will go lame if they are broken at 3, many, many horses "left to mature" for ages also go lame.
 
Cortez said:
This ^^^ is sensible reasoning. If you don't agree with it, don't do it; don't buy it. Other people do obviously agree with it. Such is life. And it is not automatic that horses will go lame if they are broken at 3, many, many horses "left to mature" for ages also go lame.
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Very true.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
How do we know that this is a reputable seller?
All we know is that they can take a pretty good photo and have broken the horse at 2, according to the ad, and jumped it more than once, judging by the style, at 3.
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i dont know, that why i said 'looks'....
they are obviously not reputable if they are breaking horses at 2.
 
Cortez said:
This ^^^ is sensible reasoning. If you don't agree with it, don't do it; don't buy it. Other people do obviously agree with it. Such is life. And it is not automatic that horses will go lame if they are broken at 3, many, many horses "left to mature" for ages also go lame.
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agreed, and i hope this mare goes on to a long and sound life.
 
YorksG said:
Usually on HHO there is a great deal made of the 'type' of person who breaks their horses in early and then sell them on DD, often there is a great deal of outrage and calls for legislation to stop it, calls for the site to be banned etc etc just a noticable difference of tone in response to this :)
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Surely you're not implying that horsey people can be guilty of snobbery!? Now that I can't believe... ;) :D
 
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