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I posted a couple of pictures of my gelding on another forum and have had nothing but bad things said.

The pictures showed him through the months starting with December up until now.

He was full clipped (his owners choice) in December. He has lost weight, condition and muscle tone but I know this - he was only in light work when I started loaning him after 8 months off so I was taking things slowly, then he had worms and had 8 weeks off, then as I was bringing him into work I had to go in to hospital and had 4 weeks off work (until the end of July) so he hasn't done much at all.

He is fed Alfalfa A Oil Chaff and calm and condition, in the winter he gets this plus sugar beet. He has hay when he is in during the summer and 2 big haynets at night during the winter.

He is tb x (supposed to be tb x cob)

This is one of the replies I have got:


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It sounds like he needs feeding more! chaf is not sufficeint enough to keep weight on a horse especially a tb, also there is no need to clip out a horse so much, especially if he is not ridden to much, sorry if it feels like you are being kept on at, but the horse appears to have lost condition over the months.

If you dont have good grazing you need to feed hay and better feed to keep weight and condition on. we have a 36 yr old who is still in good condition, age is not an excuse in all cases, its what you are feeding and the money that goes into it.




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what a negative response!!

he is on calm and condition as well!! haha iv found Pink Powder to work a treat and it last a long time unlike other supplements so its cost effective! I guess you could put hay in the field...i know i am with my mare now she is living out this month (im feeding her too....)

This girl obviously has a nice good doer...alright for some!

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What forum was that on??
 
Holly_P - He is on very very good grazing so don't want to put hay out. We would struggle getting hay up there to as its a 10 minute walk from the yard and not the easiest of routes.

Chesnut_mare - its on Arabian Lines
 
Its difficult in a forum environment to fully understand sometimes what people mean or are asking based on a few lines they have written - it isnt always clear whether people are being constructive or bitchy so things can be misinterpreted.
It can be hurtful when people say things like that if you know your doing the best by your horse.
Is it worth posting pics on here so u might get a broader range of opinions if thats what your after?
 
QR - I'd like to see what their horse looks like! No doubt, event fit TB with rippling muscles but a super calm trainable temp?!!!! Yeah right it's probably as fat as a house side & hopped up on feed it doesn't need!

Take no notice, some people just have to have their two penneth even if it makes others feel like crap!
 
I think you are feeding him the right food i brought a TB ex racer 6 years ago she was very thin I fed her the same feed as you Alfalfa A with Oil plus sugar beet you cant put weight quickly on a TB as it sents them too Fizzy . Just do what you are doing it took me about 6 months to get her right it just takes time good luck. Dont worry about what other people. Think. I wish i was at home so i could show you before and after pictures.
 
i have to agree with holly p
pink powder is brilliant and i very much recommend it.
i brought my mare very underweight and i tryed every food types i could to incrase her weight
after time and not putting weight on.
after a number of checks to ,i deciced to try pink powder i would never look back and adding corn oil
also try feeding three to four small meals aday
 
But is it not a possibility that if everyone has said the same things in response to the photos, they are spotting something you have missed? Or are just concerned at the weight loss you have described? We all like our horses to be in good condition, a worm problem can be very serious. I appreciate some horses are not good doers (I had one once, I fed him everything fattening, sugar beet, conditioning mix, barley, milk pellets, haylage instead of hay, ad lib at all times inc in the field in winter, and he got the richest grass every summer yet still he never got fat. However I visited him the other day, now aged 29 and he is hale and hearty but still a bit skinny!).
 
I wouldn't say he looks underweight as you say he is lacking muscle but that will come with time and work, he looks to be a happy healthy lad
 
To be honest I wouldn't be so easily offended, at the end of the day they were only pointing out things/advice which many people on here would off (but perhaps not worded greatly)what would make it offensive is if they were made aware of the back ground information like you have provided in the post on this forum, then I'd agree with you for feeling a bit naffed off about the comments.

If you just posted pics without explain the ins and outs then really then they would have a point wouldnt they.

There are a lot of people who don't actually know how to correctly feed/worm their horses or TB's with weight issues for that matter and do come on forums and thankfully do post pictures, if it was not for people pointing stuff out they wouldn't ever learn where they were going wrong so you need to expect misunderstandings on all forums really.

Your right its not right for people to jump to conclusions and to automatically think that people don't anything but perhaps they did not mean to come across that way?
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Ok, well there you go then, you have just proved my point, so don't worry about it hun.

You may have had one comment back, then during the time it took you in posting the about your horses history etc, everyone else may of been on the keyboads busy typing replies to your orignal post with the pics on..... the important thing is YOU know your horse and what you have been doing etc.
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I didn't reply on AL to your post as there wasn't anything I could add, but to be fair, you posted the pictures first as a 'happy 8 months loaniverssary' post and only when people mentioned he looked a little bit poor compared to the first few pics did you mention his feed!

If you would have started the post with a little bit of history to explain why he was looking like this I am sure the others would have been very pleased for you that he is now dong so well!

You were very defensive in your posts saying he is fed x-y-z and only mentioned his worm problem right at the very end! If you post pictures on an open forum without any explaination then i'm afraid you do lead yourself wide open! I'm not so sure posting about them on here was the best way to go - if it would have been me that had replied to you I would be very upset that you are now discussing me on another forum!
 
Here are all the comments/my responses

Hi.....do not wish to upset you...but feel your boy is lacking in condition...no muscle tone along his back and hindquarters. Is he old??

He actually looks wormy....have you wormed him recently and does he have access to good grazing??

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Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 09:57:21 AM
He has no muscle tone - we are working on that, he had 8 weeks off work and then when he was coming on nicely I was signed off work for 4 weeks after an op so we got back to square one. He is 15

He has been wormed - he was wormed 4 weeks ago



Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 10:05:16 AM
Well at 15yrs he is still relatively a young horse...but has the look of a much older horse.

If he were mine and as you have him on loan...I would have a blood test and worm count done, to ensure all is well. At this time of year and particularly with the good grass growing weather, I would have expected him to look much better, bodily. Does he have access to good grazing??

Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 10:19:37 AM
He came off grazing that wasn't that good 4 weeks ago and is now on very good grass though has been kept in some nights as the flies are horrendous. He has had 12 weeks off work so won't have much muscle tone.


Posted - 13 Aug 2009
Appreciate what you are saying....and he does lack muscle tone. However, he generally lacks topline along his back and hind quarter but has a big belly and still showing ribs.

You say he is on good grazing now, so would expect to see his condition much improved in the next few weeks, if not, please get him a health check.

What is his breeding??


Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 10:56:01 AM
He has been out of work for 12 weeks though and has been out on grass so would have a grass belly and lack muscle tone - he was only been work once a week before that.

Those pictures were taken in June when he was on ok grazing, I don't have any recent pictures of him since he has been on the good grazing. He is tb x

Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 11:11:31 AM
Guessed he was Thoroughbred and as such, unless he is on exceptionally good grazing....it may be a good idea to give him a supplementary feed. Might I suggest conditioning cubes or topline cubes...perhaps 2kg daily.

Thoroughbred horses do need a better nutritional diet than, say a cob type horse, particularly during the Autumn/Winter months. Perhaps if he is not ridden regularly during the Winter...it would be better if he was not clipped out as help him keep warmer.

Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 11:15:08 AM
It was his owner who had him clipped out.

He is fed daily through out spring, summer, autumn and winter. He is on alfalfa a chaff, calm and condition, limestone powder, a weight gain supplment and garlic powder.
Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 11:31:24 AM
It sounds leke he needs feeding more! chaf is not sufficeint enough to keep weight on a horse especially a tb, also there is no need to clip out a horse so much, especially if he is not ridden to much, sorry if it feels like you are being kept on at, but the horse appears to have lost condition over the months.

If you dont have good grazing you need to feed hay and better feed to keep weight and condition on. we have a 36 yr old who is still in good condition, age is not an excuse in all cases, its what you are feeding and the money that goes into it.


Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 11:46:18 AM
As I said in the previous post he is on chaff AND calm and condition - this is on the reccommendation of the branch. He has lost weight because he had worms hence the 8 weeks off. He was in at night on 2 full haynets of hay and a big tub trug of readi grass. He is now on good grazing with hay when he comes in plus chaff and calm and condition. In the winter he also has sugar beet.

He HAS lost condition because he was poorly and has had 12 weeks off work, he is now in light work.

I didn't get him clipped out as said before, it was his owners choice however he was rugged up sufficiently.


Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 2:23:13 PM
With regard to the clipping....you say the Owner clipped him....why would she/he want him hogged??...and he was not clipped when you first loaned him (first picture)

Really am not trying to upset you....just trying to help as unless the boy is in considerably better condition......he will go very poor next Winter and as you are loaning him, feel you have the responsibility of a duty of care, to ensure his wellbeing.

Hopefully you may be able to post more recent pics of him since he has been on the better grazing and with top up suppliment bucket feeds
he should look much improved.
 
(((hugs))) My old pony looks to be in similar condition and is fed similar with good grazing and i would not describe him as skinny just lackign muscle tone, which is down to work load and because of the time of your horse has had its hardly your fault ! you clearly care alot about him and are doing your best so dont let them get to you
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And as for ages is not an excuse, well what a load of **** , most humans go skinny and frail when they get to that age !
 
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And as for ages is not an excuse, well what a load of **** , most humans go skinny and frail when they get to that age !

[/ QUOTE ] The horse is 15, so only middle-aged in horsey terms, not exactly ancient!
 
I would call it constructive criticism/advice, I don't feel there is anything bad in your replies to be honest, just people replying to a situation they are not fully aware off.:)
 
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I must say that they sound like they are all trying to be very helpful - I don't see why you should be offended by that!

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...that was my first thought too hun...

sometimes when we post pictures etc we get advice/opinions that we dont always want to hear, but its good because we really dont always see our horses with a critical eye cos they are our 'babies'......

I have learnt so much from this forum, people generally have good advice, but I find you get better advice if you give a FULL picture and background first so people can see what youv'e already done and give you tips on the next step....

Good luck with your horse...he looks happy and healthy now and thats the main thing
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