Why do some yards...

I know exactly what he eats and how much as I specify it. I know exactly what work he does as again I specify it. I don't think that me not seeing a bump on his leg undermines our bond. I don't notice any difference from when he was DIY other than I am not stressed about what time I can be at the yard, will I have time to ride etc etc.

He knows my voice, he comes to see me in the field and follows me about the same as he always did. I would not dream of saying someone who is DIY and has little time to spend riding and pampering etc shouldn't have a horse. If the horse is happy and so are they who cares.

I think some people are confusing having a bond with their horse as cleaning out a stable whilst said horse is in the field. Or getting whinnied at cos they know you equal dinner time.

My horse is incredibly cuddly and fussy with me. I'm not a stranger to him.
 
amymay said:
Perhaps because the horse was on............................


............................. FULL LIVERY????????
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to be fair, I agree with AmyMay. If your horse is on full livery, and sustains an injury, it is down to the groom, YM or whatever to call the vet. Obviously the owner should be informed as soon as possible - but is it fair to leave a horse suffering because the owner 'isn't around'?? This is what they pay for!!
 
So if you're a YO or a livery of any type, what do you think is a reasonable rate for daily full livery (turn out, muck out, hang haynets, replace water, catch in, pick out feet, rugs as necessary)?
 
catwithclaws said:
to be fair, I agree with AmyMay. If your horse is on full livery, and sustains an injury, it is down to the groom, YM or whatever to call the vet. Obviously the owner should be informed as soon as possible - but is it fair to leave a horse suffering because the owner 'isn't around'?? This is what they pay for!!
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Surely that goes for anyone. If a horse needs a vet and you are around, you'd help/call one? Whether you are paid to or not.
 
yes the horse was on FULL LIVERY (as u so kindly put it because my eyes are so bad and i cant read) but i didn't OWN the horse and therefore wanted the owner to be aware and to be there seen as the horse had had colic surgery previous to coming to me x
 
AJ & Kiz said:
yes the horse was on FULL LIVERY (as u so kindly put it because my eyes are so bad and i cant read) but i didn't OWN the horse and therefore wanted the owner to be aware and to be there seen as the horse had had colic surgery previous to coming to me x
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I can quite understand you wishing the owner to attend to discuss care etc. with the vet and you. But they may not have been in a position to do so, or trusted you to deal with the issue or may have not been interested - I don't know (because I don't know the what the situation was).

But, as the horse was on full livery, you were responsible for it. And I would expect attending the vet to be part of your responsibilities.
 
You can't always run a tight well managed ship so to speak when there are too many DIY's of a variety or age and experience doing what they want, when they want, I think any YO in that position who an run a good yard smoothly with a variety of personalties and mostly woman and children all on DYI deserve medal the size of dustbin lid! :D

So I think my choose not to or only offer it to few people to save any stress.
 
There seems to be alot of sweeping generalisation going on here..

All DIY'ers are lazy gits who cannot be bothered to muck their horses out until tea time and are all thief's.

Rock up and Ride Brigade are the posh lot who have more money than sense and are Full liveries Darllinngggg..

The Part livery are the Full livery wannabe's but are still common enough to muck out at least 5 days out of seven.

Really does it matter!!.As long as said horses are fed,watered and cared for..
You get good and bad in owners/loaners and yard managers..Horses for courses..
 
SpottyFalula said:
And I said, what do you get for that?

My comment was just me being shocked!
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I'm not sure what's shocking about it - it's quite a reasonable amount of money for full livery.

The costs would include: turn out, muck out, hay, water, bring in, pick out feet, rugs as necessary, feed. Farrier when required, vet when required, exercised when required.
 
I have only ever done DIY so no ideas on cost involved. So for around £550, you get everything? That includes shoes, vaccinations, dentist?
 
SpottyFalula said:
I have only ever done DIY so no ideas on cost involved. So for around £550, you get everything? That includes shoes, vaccinations, dentist?
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No, of course you have to pay for the shoes, dentist and vaccinations yourself. That wouldn't be part of your livery bill.
 
I was on a yard which decided to stop doing DIY and only do part or full. However, as the yard was quite large, and the YM was highly in demand as an instructor so they had to employ staff. This meant it wasn't really viable financially, as they couldn't, or didn't charge top whack for livery. (nice hacking, school etc) They now seem to only do DIY again, as they weren't making £20 profit a week, and the owner felt it was better to simply do that.Personally, I would never be prepared to allow someone else to tell me what to feed, or when to worm, as one of our horses now has 75% lung capacity due t being poorly wormed whilst on full livery (with BHS qualified person).
 
we are on a yard which was all full/competition livery but now have a few DIY'ers and it definately changes the dynamic.
With the YO looking after the requirements of all the horses there were never any problems but with some DIY'ers coming into the yard there is always "Chat" about how something is done and how/when someone does something (from both sides) which can cause some tension.

Both our horses are on full livery and no, i'm not too posh to shovel sh**
We see them every day and spend time with them no matter what the weather or when we get in from work. They respond to us accordingly and my boy (william) always wants to be with me either in or out of the stable. we couldn't be closer.
The fact i don't muck him out (when he's in the field anyway) or bring him in everynight has no bearing on our bond, he will always come to me 1st before anyone (inc YM and grooms).

BTW the DIY's are lovely people and good friends, it's just everyone has an opinion about how things should be done and you will never find anyone who will agree - hence tension
 
One yard used to charge to hold for vet/farrier. My current farrier knows how to put on a head collar/tie up properly and is happy to get the horse out without me or anyone else there. Except for accidents, I'd be there for the vet.
 
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