Why do you breed dogs?

[dingle12]

This is not aimed at anyone its just a question. If you breed from your bitch why do you go it? is it to keep one of the litter or for money or something else. I dont breed and as soon as i can i get everything chopped off

there are too many dogs in this world and cats that need homes and are been PTS for no reason. Im sorry if ive offended anyone. Liana xx

 

[PucciNPoni]

The show breeders that I know do it for the breed - with hopes of breeding the next champion or the next best working dog. They are striving to improve a breed for the most part. There are others that I know of too, who are more the back yard breeders, who just do it for the money - thinking it's an easy way to earn a few quid. I don't mean to say that everyone who doesn't show their dog and breeds them is like this - but I happen to know lots of people who think it's a good idea.

 

[prosefullstop]

I don't breed, but I did ask this very question of Stella's breeder way back when. In her words, she breeds to further the breed, and because she is passionate about showing and producing dogs with great temperaments. She had a lot of success breeding and showing Chesapeake Bay Retrievers, but switched to Bostons when she moved to a smaller home.

All dogs sold to pet homes are sold on a mandatory spay contract, and the contract also includes a clause that all dogs bred by the breeder--no matter their age--must be returned to her in the event of a surrender.

As for us, our next doggie is going to be a rescue. He is one of five dachshund pups born three weeks ago

 

[FestiveSpirit]

I have rescues which are all neutered before they come to me, so I dont breed

My mum and sister breed because they show.... so they just breed when they are wanting the next prospective champion

Because they are well-known in the showing world they always have a waiting list for the puppies which perhaps arent their definition of show quality

 

[dingle12]

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I don't breed, but I did ask this very question of Stella's breeder way back when. In her words, she breeds to further the breed, and because she is passionate about showing and producing dogs with great temperaments. She had a lot of success breeding and showing Chesapeake Bay Retrievers, but switched to Bostons when she moved to a smaller home.
All dogs sold to pet homes are sold on a mandatory spay contract, and the contract also includes a clause that all dogs bred by the breeder--no matter their age--must be returned to her in the event of a surrender.

As for us, our next doggie is going to be a rescue. He is one of five dachshund pups born three weeks ago

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I can understand in the showing world but not X breeds and JRT they are breed alot and i think thats down to the monet

 

[Spudlet]

Henry is a rescue but I can understand why people go for puppies from breeders - in our case Barney came from a well known breeder because my brother and sister were both very small so my parents wanted to see both the sire and dam before making a decision. We saw loads of breeders before we found one that we were happy with, and Barney was a fab dog for all 16 years of his life and perfect with children.

If I were going to breed it would be about producing great family dogs like Barney and I would be just as strict as Mrs Satterthwaite was - my parents had an interview and we all had to meet the parents before she would agree to let us have a puppy

Wouldn't trade Henry in for anything though!

And I would have another rescue too. But if I ad small children I would probably look at a puppy.

 

[MurphysMinder]

I used to breed mainly because I showed, and I was always trying to improve (normally only one litter a year). When I stopped showing I still bred the occasional litter, mainly because (sorry if this sounds conceited) I bred a good sound type of dog and often had people waiting for puppies. My last litter was over 8 years ago, the bitch I kept had poor hips so that was it as far as the breeding went. I bought a puppy last year who had her hips x rayed yesterday and they look promising so may breed from her in the future. She has everything else I look for in a GSD, in particular a lovely temperament. If I do breed from her it will be in the hope of producing a bitch I can keep, but she will not be mated until I have several people interested in a puppy from her.

Mrs Satterthwaite sounds like me, I always give prospective pupppy owners the third degree, if they don't like it they don't get a puppy

 

[Spudlet]

She was fab - really old school gundog breeder

I was terrified of her but looking back she was lovely - I was only 10 after all!

 

[FinnishLapphund]

Because ever since I was a little girl and began wanting to have a horse, dog, hamster etc. it always involved the possible thought of breeding, however once I have gotten the hamster, guinea pig, budgerigar, dog etc. I have only done it after long considerations. I'd owned dogs for 18 years before breeding Jonna last year, both my Norwegian Buhunds became Champions but one had a very mild but still a HD fault and though it was allowed to breed from her with a stud dog with better hips, I chose not to. The other was very lovely and loving but I still felt that she was a little bit to energetic to breed from, I didn't want to risk breeding more dogs with her energy.

Jonna looks good, above average but will probably never become a Champion since the judges at the moment prefer bitches that actually is to large according to the standard, so since she is just between 1 or 2 cm. above minimum height, judges always says she looks good, but is to small.
The health checks was good and she does have a wonderful temperament, she would be very suitable for a first time dog owner, but also suitable for someone wanting to train some obedience/agility/freestyle etc.
She also has excellent dog language, f. ex. when she was less than a year old we met a 4 month old puppy scared of other dogs (it first tried to run away when we were just walking by them with good distance in between us, but when stopped by the leash it hid behind the owner instead) and she just sat down and looked away for about 10 minutes while the puppy gained confidence and they ended up playing a little.
I think she's a very good example of her breed if you put it all together, I choose a stud dog that is a Champion, good health results, nice temperament and had already sired some puppies that was old enough to have their HD's checked, all with good results. We got three puppies, two who early on showed that they would end up looking better than their mother and the third looking just as good as Jonna.




So I breed when I have a bitch that answers to my ideal of the breed, I think temperament is the most important thing because that is what you have to live with, I want to breed a dog that is easy to own for both a numpty owner and an owner that knows some more about dogs, but I also want to breed dogs that looks like a Finnish Lapphund should look.

I breed because I don't want the only available dogs to be those bred by Backyard breeders without concerns about temperament, health or other looks than if it looks sell-able or not. I believe that if good breeders offers good quality puppies and support, that more puppy-buyers will realise they have a right (and obligation) to make demands on what they buy and from who.

 

[MurphysMinder]

Totally agree with your last paragraph FLH . There are so many problems with the wrong sort of people breeding, particularly with GSDs, that I wonder if I really want to breed another litter, but if there are no good, well reared pups available people will have nowhere to go but the breeders who don't care. Mind you I may still decide against it, I absolutely love having pups about the place, but do not enjoy whelping, I worry about the bitch, and since I have had children I feel every contraction with them

 

[FinnishLapphund]

My mother was almost envious of how easy Jonna whelped, the two first came out butt first, all came within an hour and with only a few contractions each.

I do worry that something will go wrong when my pets are pregnant, but on other hand living is dangerous, the lightning could strike the electrical cables going into my house when I'm not at home and burn down (happened to an ex. neighbours family member, whole house burned down, they had no pets though). So I think that if I'm aware of the risks, do what I can to keep them healthy and in good condition, then there's good odds all goes well. You know sort of in the way it rarely rains when you remember bringing an umbrella.

 

[echodomino]

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I can understand in the showing world but not X breeds and JRT they are breed alot and i think thats down to the monet

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I don't breed my JRTs for the money. I breed my JRTs following the same principles as I have picked up from my mum breeding her Hungarian Wirehaired Vizslas - to better what I've got. I have only bred 3 litters and it was only the last litter I didn't keep one. I also compete in agility and want to reproduce the characteristics of the JRT I currently compete into the next dog I have.

I sell all of my puppies on the understanding that if something goes wrong and they can no longer keep the dog, I want it back what ever age it is.

I don't agree with cross breeding deliberately, especially these "designer" crosses, but if it's done reponsibley then I don't see what's wrong.

 

[Digger123]

Because I wanted to !
However
I have bred from my bitch once as it seemed a good idea at the time. If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't of been so naive.I didn't have any problems with the bitch or her 12 offspring. We sold them all. The last pup went to Elgin. It was just the time involved looking after the little darlings. I certainly didn't breed from her to make money but if I'm honest it was a bonus, as 4 days after she whelped my central heating boiler blew up.
I have not considered breeding from her again because I don't want to - simple as that.I wouldn't want to be responsible for adding more dogs that could possibly need rehoming at a later date.

 

[CAYLA]

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Obs, I don't

but if people are going to breed, I would certainly it be the more responsible breeder, that secures the puppies for life and carries out appropriate testing, rater than the f*ck witt that phoned in the small hours at work last night, panicking cos bitch was having a normal labour, but she had no clue, ad not read up and prepared herself and was not sure if the bitch had even caught........and the breed we need no adding too, a staffy

There is money to be made, I don't care what anyone says, and even when breeding responsibly, u can not 100% do anything about where it ends up or what happens to or, or if it's used as a breeding machine itself, it's hard enoug keeping tabs on rescue dogs, and they go out neutered with very expensive legal back up

Those who really p!ss me off are the variety that do not take puppies back and don't even give a sh!t once they have their cash.
My mam used to breed

, 3 litters in total, and even though she did it responsibly and kept a fair few, as she did obedience and showing, she now says, the rescue work is her come-up-ins (sp) for breeding in the past

She was a single parent(I say she did it to top up the family allowance)

So, not much sense from me, but I would rather the responsible minority breed, better still everybody stop

We also abort any pregannt bitches, pedigree or not, I don;t believe in breeding from a bitch whose life is already hanging in the balance, without reproducing the same sceanrio, also the adult dogs are our priority, I really don't understand rescue that help with the breeding process of more of the same

Another breed related rant
Someone I know breed from their bitch, she had not a penny to her name (gormless b!tch, her answer to needing a poss caeserean, I will pay in instalments or from the sale of a puppy

(I said it's not bloody brighthouse, u are paying

Ok, so bitch whelped fine, it took her a while to find homes/purchasers, one puppy injured it's leg in her care, and she sold it, the new owners had it treat as they knew but they where not happy the puppy was ok.
They then sent her the bill

of £275!!, ad she was going mad, asking me to sort it and write something/ statement to say pup was ok, WTF, crazy cow, I said, pay up u idiot, she said "with what, I cannot afford it", I said tuff sh!t, if u could not afford to cover unexpected costs, u should not have breed, u thick headed bint, the bitch is now neutered

I also had a spiv pone me when they saw my doggy van parked at the garage for repair, and the garage bloke gave them my number

, they wanted me or a vet to sign to say the litter of puppies she had, where pure greyhounds, she had the bich given with a litter and she had people wanting to buy, but they wanted a signed vet statement saying they where full g/hounds

, I said, get lost u numpty, nobody could 100% tell u that

, I said give them to a bloody rescue and do them a favour.

Rant over

, time to go collect my boarders.

 

[MurphysMinder]

I moaned a while ago about a neighbour who had a litter of Dogue de bordeaux due, which were going to "pay for her conservatory". The bitch had 9, has apparently sold them at £1000 each and is so pleased she is planning to breed from her again to buy a horse box

My source said she would be breeding at the next season but I have pointed out KC won't register them. I cannot bring myself to speak to the woman at the moment

 

[CAYLA]

I think a call to the tax man is in order, that income is above the tax threshold

this is what I do, when a knobster who is breeding for those reasons informs me or someone who has told me

I would dare bet she does not have the room to take 3 back at a time if the need arises either

 

[MurphysMinder]

It did cross my mind to contact the tax man

The poor bitch is a sweetie, but spends most of her time shut in a tiny pen, as she wanders off if let out, several people have found her on our very busy road in the past.

 

[CorvusCorax]

My non-doggy OH told me he reckoned putting the boy at stud and having litters from the bitch would be a great way to make money.

He realised I didn't agree with him after the slap and the two-hour, furious silence

The boy has too many health problems to put at stud, and his sister has too weak a character for me right now (although she is improving) and as we haven't exactly been lucky with our litters in the past, I feel that my two won't be procreating.

It is a wee bit sad as the bitch was bought as a breeding prospect but plenty of similar lines exist if I decide to go for it in the future.

 

[keeperscottage]

My daughter's Golden Retriever bitch is being hip scored on Tuesday.....fingers crossed.......we want to breed from her - just the once - because she is the most wonderful dog, we want to keep the line going (intend keeping a puppy bitch). We keep being asked by locals in the village when we're breeding from her....so....we're going to breed (hip score allowing) wanted puppies!