Why does he kick like this?

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I have been trying to understand this behaviour in the 17.3hh warmblood I have had for 9 weeks. I have, however, known the horse for 4 or so years.

He is the most gentle animal you could come across, but I have noticed that for absolutely no apparent reason, he will suddenly pick one or other back leg up, twitch it up and down and then kick it backwards as if to kick out. The first part of this movement is as if he is trying to remove something, and the latter is akin to kicking out.

He never does it when other animals or people are around him, and if he does then it is not directed towards them. There is not an ounce of malice shown. I have noticed it happens most when he is tied up for a longish time (like today), although it does happen at other times. I have also noticed that he will sometimes do it as he poos, as if he is disturbed by that in some way!!

The thing I should mention is that from March to October he is blighted by sweet itch and mainly gets it on his belly (horrendously). He scratches his belly using these back legs (and that is what the first part of the action looks like), but he also kicks out at the flies a lot as they understandably annoy him. I wonder if this is an almost involuntary movement born out of habbit because of the scratching.

I also wondered if having fillet strings or back ends of rugs dangling round his legs is annoying him enough to make him do this.

Confused because there is just no malice there at all :S Any ideas? I obviously want people to be wary around him but I also don't want them to have the wrong idea about him.
 
Thanks both.

I may PM you actually CracklinRosie.

However, I am not sure it is shivers. There doesn't seem to be any quivering in the quarters or thigh and it doesn't happen when being ridden at all. As far as I have seen, he shows no discomfort with the blacksmith. However, I see there can be mild cases.

I hadn't really considered shivers. I did wonder about stringhalt, but as it isn't really a ridden problem...

I am really worried now
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I had never seen him do it before and then a few weeks ago I saw him do it and felt a bit mad as I thought he was directing it towards me. I have witnessed him since, and it is really quite odd. I think he does sometimes do it with a foreleg as well, but obviously not the same action.
 
I had a mare who used to do this. In her case it was just a sort of involuntary action and she did it with both her front legs and hinds.

She only did it immediately after you picked her feet out or lifted a leg. You would pick up a foot, pick out the hoof and then as you let it go she would 'kick' back. She never ever intended to hit you, and on the extremely rare occasion you forgot to move out of the way and she caught you she was appalled!

I shouldn't worry too much, just warn people. And tell them its not that he is trying to kick them!
 
YO's pony that has sweet itch does this too - he's really sensitive of everything round his back legs though. Makes doing his rugs up a bit dicey
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Could be stringhalt. Does he head shake too? Some cases involve weird leg twitches. Or it could indeed be a habit he has got into in desperation at the sweet itch. If he suffers badly from sweet itch he will need some help as it can drive some horses to despair. Could you borrow a Boet rug to see if - over time - that would help?
 
Flynn picks up a back leg on occasion and half kicks out behind with it. He was worse when we first got him and he doesn't do it round us any longer in the stable or when tied up, I think that with him it was a stress/warning action. I have noticed that if we take him out with strange horses he will do it too - say if he's standing in a group lesson. He doesn't aim at anyone, it isn't even when a horse is behind him or approaching him, it happens ridden or in hand.

In his case we put it down to his being gelded late (9) and being a bit precious about his "crown jewels". As a precaution we do try to make sure he has a red ribbon on, just in case someone does ride a pony behind.
 
Jed does this when he just gets into his stable from the field. He is very itchy and i put it down to this. When i give him a good scratch around his fetlocks he is fine for a while. I know he does it over night too as he always has a hole in his bed.

What bedding is he on? Im thinking of changing Jed to shavings with rubber matting in case it is something to do with the straw.
 
Hi Box of Frogs.

I have bought him a snuggy hood as George had a Boett and it ripped quite soon afterwards! George's SI is very mild; Lanky's is severe, but only in the areas not covered by the rg he had with his old owner, hence I felt a snuggy hood would be better for him. He is a big horse and getting rugs to cover his belly is troublesome, so I quite like the snuggy hood idea.

I noticed a big difference in the sweet itch when he came to live with me, because of the location, so I am hoping that might hold some bearing on it.

I noticed today that he swished his tail when he did it (not holding at funny angle - just like a horse shooing away flies), but we had a very hard frost last night and no flies in sight! I think it is a habbit to be honest. He doesn't do it when ridden; I tried backing him up, turning him tight and picking his legs up for long periods today, and there were no signs of the twitching.

He doesn't head shake at all either.

Even though the sweet itch cleared up about 2 months ago now (end of season), he still rubs his mane and bites under his chest, so it is possible he is very itchy. Also, because he has to wear such long rugs, being a warmblood they can be loose round his back end. I have tied the fillet string tighter for him, as he really doesn't seem to like having that dangling down just above his hocks! It is a new rug and I had forgotten to do this, like I have to all his other rugs, the other day.

He doesn't reach the leg away from his body, either. He doesn't stumble, slip or do anything malicious.

Thank you for the ideas everyone, and sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I spent the last 4 days moving my horses and was shattered last night, so went off to bed earlyish!
 
PS, this is one horse that the sweet itch DOES drive to despair. However, in his last home it was not properly managed. George still gets a minor bit of SI, but it was a lot worse a few years ago. I feel correct management has helped.
 
Really well, thank you CBAnglo!

I will up my thread so you can skim what happened on last day at old yard!!

Really liking new yard
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Bit stressed as Quattro - ever communicative company that they are - decided to turn up today to fit my mats, after telling me they couldn't do Friday in the end. We have fitted the mats ourselves, and they didn't tell us they were going to come today to fit them; so I have 2 horses in their boxes for the next 5 days (worming) and a bloke from Quattro wanting to fit mats that we have already fitted!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhh. I had problems with them the first time, but this has just got ridiculous.

I reckon after the amazing job my husband did of fitting the mats, we could probably set up in business ourselves! Plus, in George's box, the aquamax is filling the gaps nicely, so no wee is going underneath.

But yeh, really looking forward to getting stuck in over there. Bit bemused though - I've never even been in a position where someone has actually ENVIED my horse. I've always had quite average horses, like George, who is beautiful but average. However, there's a woman at our new yard (who was also there when we left 6 years ago), and she does a bit of prelim dressage with her horse. She is being such a green-eyed monster and it's quite funny because I am not used to it. I guess, sweet itch or not, he will be amazing once I get started. But I'm not someone who wants to reach dizzy heights, so it's all foreign to me!
 
Ah, read it now.

Hilarious. Dont worry about the farrier - he wont care and doubt he will lose two good customers over something someone else said.

Now there is no excuse to start schooling L - bet they will both appreciate you not being stressed out and at least G has some privacy now (poor thing).

I never understood this whole paying £300 to fit the mats - glad you managed to do it yourself this time and did not leave them behind!
 
Thank you oofadoofa. I will monitor it and if it persists I might just check with the vet.

CBAnglo, it's only now we have fitted the mats ourselves that we see how ridiculous their charges are! It was £300 plus vat for both stables as well! Basically, £300 to cut the mats and fill with sealant/bond. Hmmm. My husband took about 2 hours to do each stable.

Thank you all
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