Why don't people freezemark???

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i do not want any of my ponies FM'd til there is one central database, with a catagorical 100% guarantee that IF my animal is stolen, then it would be returned..as with stolen vehicles, this is not an option, so i wont waste my money.

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see your post dissagrees with you, here you say you want a 100% garentee like you have for vehicles, there is no such thing as a 100% garentee that your property will be returned and with vehicles the recovery rate is probably much less then that of the freezemarked horses.

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as with stolen vehicle this is not an option...the 100% guarantee isn't there

meaning that with vehicles (or ponies) this guarantee is not an option.....

no guarantee that they'll be returned

is that clear enough now???
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i lost my confidence in freezemarking when one was stolen from my yard.

true - the theives removed rugs etc to see what was and wasnt freezemarked - but still managed to take one that was.

it was naked so covered in mud so dont think they noticed the mark.

Despite it being freezemarked it wasnt found til 9yrs later - even then by its owners detective work, not farmkey.

the owner didnt bring it back - instead after the police handled it she let the new owners have him on loan - wasnt much point having him back since he was now quite aged.

Farmkey (as it was then) really did not do a lot to help, despite promises of circulating descriptions etc
 
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I think its ugly - fortunately I have enough money to take the chance if Im wrong - Im sorry you don't.


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Did I read that right? You don't actually care if your horse is stolen because you can afford to replace it? Do you not care what might happen to said horse? Sheesh...
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I think its ugly - fortunately I have enough money to take the chance if Im wrong - Im sorry you don't.


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Did I read that right? You don't actually care if your horse is stolen because you can afford to replace it? Do you not care what might happen to said horse? Sheesh...
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Going to have to agree with sooty here, its not the money that i'm taking the risk with, i could easily afford to replace any of mine, its the emotional attachment. I couldnt live with myself if My gorgeous lad was taken and then either abused or taken for slaughter and i could have prevented it.

My ponies and I have a bond that cannot be replaced, Its not the money ive invested that i am worried about it is the pony itself.
I've just spent all week nursing one pony through an injury that could end his career, i dont care if i cant show it any longer, if all he is good for after this is a field ornament then so be it, he will be a very beautiful field ornament simply because i could never replace him or te bond i have with him.
 
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I think its ugly - fortunately I have enough money to take the chance if Im wrong - Im sorry you don't.


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Did I read that right? You don't actually care if your horse is stolen because you can afford to replace it? Do you not care what might happen to said horse? Sheesh...
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Yes you read it completely right.
What Im saying is I don't know why you all give a shite what others are doing, if I decide i don't want to have it done, well who elses business is that? The poster asked, i replied - it is quite frankly, not anyone elses business.
 
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Of course you can please yourself. Saying that you won't bother because if your horse is stolen you can easily afford to replace it is hardly going to win you any friends though. Nor does it indicate any care or consideration for the wellbeing of the animals in your charge, which do not have your freedom of choice.
 
So really what you are saying is I am a neglectful owner because if my horse gets stolen it wont be the end of my world?
Hardly.
Why do people who aren't fluffy and lovely dovey poofy poo with their horses have to be neglectful or come in for stick - does it affect you all that much to hear I don't think of my horses the same as you do?
It certainly doesn't affect me to hear the way you all feel so why do people feel its OK to critisise me?
 
Maybe some people feel that your attitude towards a living, breathing creature stinks. I, for one, am shocked - and it takes a lot to shock me. A horse is not a motorbike; I don't think you have to be a fluffy tree hugger to care about a horse's welfare. I am not saying you are wrong not to Freezemark, that is of course your choice. I am saying you are wrong not to care if one of your horses was stolen, as you could afford to replace it. Still, nobody can criticise your honesty.
 
Don't you feel, as the person who has chosen to keep animals, that with that priviledge there is a responsibility to do your best for their welfare, including keeping them safe from theft?

There are many reasons people don't freezemark; appearance, squemishness, cost but I have never heard anybody say they wouldn't bother because they can simply replace the horse if it is stolen and that is certainly quite a provocative statement.
 
If you would like to read my first comment you will see that I said its ugly, then when questioned at my stupidity I said that its my choice and I can afford to replace my horses if they were stolen.
So no, my reasons for not freezemarking ISNT because I can afford not to, its because its ugly - that Ok by you?????
 
Mother Hen I am showing my age.
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Yes, it was a VERY long time ago that I seriously looked into having my horses done. Obviously things have moved on
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my lot who were done on thier back had 5 days off work then a wekk with a fluffy numnah on and were absolutely fine
 
Over this side of the Atlantic, none of my horses are freezemarked however a couple of them are branded.

Freezemarking is not really big over here; anyone who wants to permanently identify their horse generally opts for a hot farm brand.

Horses aren't generally stolen over here; well in all my time of living here I've never heard of one single horses being stolen, it's just not worthwhile and the penalties are very stiff for anyone who would do this. I think it is still classed as horse-rustling and although no-one gets shot anymore for thieving them I believe it does carry a prison sentence.

I don't have my horses done because horses aren't stolen here, they all live within a few footsteps from my front door, I live in a very private situation and I have some scary looking dogs who run free range on my farm.

My little British pony is freezemarked and chipped, but that was because we lived in England then (all of my horses were freezemarked in England). She was later microchipped when I had her passported and getting her ready to fly over here to Canada. She is grey and you cannot see her freezemark at all.

If I was to freezemark these days I would definitely opt for having it done on the rump as it looks so much better than anywhere else and is still very visible.
 
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So no, my reasons for not freezemarking ISNT because I can afford not to, its because its ugly - that Ok by you?????

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You have made your financial situation abundantly clear, as you have your attitude to horse ownership. If you hadn't been posting for a while I'd have you down as a troll.
 
You can call me what you like - but I do think freezemarks are ugly and for all those saying Im stupid to not freezemark for these reasons - don't worry Im prepared to take my chances.
And just because Im saying I can afford to buy a another doesn't mean Im rich (thats just assumptions being made again)... lol... it just means perhaps my horses are not as expensive as other peoples...
 
Freezemarks ARE ugly, of course they spoil the look of a beautiful horse (especially if unable to be done on the saddle area). I know, our miniatures are done and they look huge on them.

If your yard has very good security, cameras round every corner, guard dogs, owners on site etc perhaps the you are entitled to weigh up the risks/benefits and perhaps decide not to freeze-mark? Its different if your horse is kept in a field with easy public access. I do wonder why more horses AREN'T stolen with the lack of security/decent fencing at some places. Not to mention some freezemarks on light coloured horses are especially difficult to read.
 
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