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xmonax

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Bit Of a rant!!!! ;)

Someone at a friends yard had told the YO previously that she didnt want her horse having banks in the stable because it made the bed look 'messy' and was costing her too much money! The YO tried to explain that because the stables were not the best of sizes being relatively small - I think around 9ft x 9ft (dont quiz me on that though!!!) and the horse needed them in the case of him becoming cast - the horse is not tiny either, standing at 16.2 - but she kept on and after a few weeks the horse just had a small flat bed.

Anyway...cut a long story short...Last night my friend (who is a groom at the yard) was frantically called down to the yard (by a neighbouring yard owner) in the early hours of the morning, YO is in florida for xmas and the horse had become cast in its stable, poor thing was madly panicking, trying to get a grip on the walls.

Luckily she managed - with the help of neighbouring YO and friends, to get horse up. The poor thing wouldnt stop shaking and had obviously got himself really shaken up so she called out the vets to check him over. Their vets sorted out some minor grazes and cuts and declared him 'VERY LUCKY'

When this story was told to the owner she complained about the vets bills!!!!!!!!! :eek:

I am gob smacked still and just cant believe it!

the worst thing is she doesnt even care about the horse!!

sorry really upset me :(

Heres a maryland cookie for all who read this far :p:D
 
thats awful..

I always make sure my horse who is 15.2hh in a 12x10 or 11 (cant remember) stable has banked sides as even in his stable he looks a little big!

You should tell her would she rather pay large vets bills and risk her horse being injured, or pay a few pounds etc for a little more bedding so that the horse is comfortable
 
TBH though I do wonder if they make much difference anyway - he could have become cast anyway.

Why don't you mind your own business!!
 
I know a few people who hate vets bills and try to call the vet as little as often, but if you own a horse its only fair to the horse to look after it to the best of your ability.

My first pony charlie got percussion laminitis in summer, the vets bills came to £467. I would gladly pay that than be without him :)
 
Banks will do sod all to stop a horse getting cast unless they are tall, thick and solid.

Moving the horse to an appropriately-sized stable would be a far better way to minimise the risk of it getting cast!
 
Starbucks said:
Why don't you mind your own business!!
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WOW is that towards me?? dont you think thats a tad bit harsh thank you????!!!! :mad:

I think all the decision she made were disgusting!

I'm sorry if you feel the horse was right to be left cast and most probably die :(
 
yes i agree with mistletoe megan unless the banks are tall it wont stop it,

but atleast it helps! Spending a few pounds more to make tall banks is still better than risking the horse an unjury
 
MistletoeMegan said:
Banks will do sod all to stop a horse getting cast unless they are tall, thick and solid.

Moving the horse to an appropriately-sized stable would be a far better way to minimise the risk of it getting cast!
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yes luckily im not at the yard, our stables are all 12ft x 12ft
 
Kirsty+Java said:
yes i agree with mistletoe megan unless the banks are tall it wont stop it,

but atleast it helps! Spending a few pounds more to make tall banks is still better than risking the horse an unjury
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Yes I agree, banks werent going to stop the whole incident happening...But I think The thing I am most upset about is that the owner was not worried about the welfare of her horse, rather the vet bill! It wasnt even a very extreme one! ;) xx
 
xmonax said:
WOW is that towards me?? dont you think thats a tad bit harsh thank you????!!!! :mad:

I think all the decision she made were disgusting!

I'm sorry if you feel the horse was right to be left cast and most probably die :(
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Right to be left cast and die? So this lady saw her horse and left it cast? I thought your bother was because she hadn't banked her bed up?
 
The use of straw banks to stop a horse getting cast has always puzzled me tbh - never really understood how this can work, unless, as others have said, they are really high. I've got stables of various sizes, never bank the beds and have never had a horse cast - maybe I've just been lucky:confused:
 
Starbucks said:
Right to be left cast and die? So this lady saw her horse and left it cast? I thought your bother was because she hadn't banked her bed up?
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OK bit extreme from me there ;)

Yes but as i posted just then I think it is dreadful that horse owners like her do not take their horses welfare into context over vets bills :(
 
xmonax said:
OK bit extreme from me there ;)

Yes but as i posted just then I think it is dreadful that horse owners like her do not take their horses welfare into context over vets bills :(
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Ok fair enough - it's her attitude thats peed you off. I can see where she's coming from though - ones it was up and ok what's the vet going to do? She probably didn't think it was necessary.
 
TBH I can see this from both sides. In a stable that is too small for the horse anyway taking up some of the little space it has with banks isn't necessarily in the interests of the horse over all. Difficult balance...
 
Starbucks said:
Ok fair enough - it's her attitude thats peed you off. I can see where she's coming from though - ones it was up and ok what's the vet going to do? She probably didn't think it was necessary.
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I suppose so, Just seen quite alot about horses having troubles after being cast - DONT know if any of its true though!!! ;) and I spoe the horse was shaking and basically a bit 'shell-shocked' and after 10 minutes still shaking, apparently the horse was given some calmer, dont know what will try to find out.

But understand where youre coming from - sorry guys I HATE making arguments on here ;) haha woops I start worrying from my laptop screen!!!!!!! :D
 
My 16h ish had to live in a 9x9 stable when out planning permission took months longer than expected - with no problems, then when we built them it got cast in a 12x18 stable with banks! I've seen many horses cast over the years, mostly with banks.

My thoughts on this story are-

Why is it up to the YO to do the bed - is the horse on full livery, in which case why would it cost more for banks? If not, why didn't the owner just do what they wanted? Or did they? Bit confused!

Why would YO or owner chose to put this horse in such a small stable. Yes I had mine in one, but didn't have another option for those months.

Hopefully the owner will learn next time. Horse won't die from getting cast. Not many panic, most just lie there stupidly! Often its the owner's reaction to the cast horse that causes them to panic if they do.

Nice to see two people on this forum sort out a disagreement like adults for a change. Well done!
 
to be honest any one that puts or allows a 16.2hh to be put in a 9 x 9 box especially once you ad the width of banks to it needs to be bloody shot! seriousley. why would you do that?

I think it was inevitable that the horse was going to end up cast at some point.
 
I would be mighty pizd off if a vet was called for nothing. Ive had a few cast banks or not and apart from a few scratches and a good dose of fright a vet has never been required. As a yo, I am more than capable of deciding when a vet is nec and in the above case I do not think it was worth bothering a vet nor was it right to spend someone elses money. Too many hysterical people out there who call the vet for nothing. Lack of real horsemanship/horsesense imo and I would be livid!!!!
 
kibob said:
The use of straw banks to stop a horse getting cast has always puzzled me tbh - never really understood how this can work,
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In my experience, banks encourage horses to get cast - and I won't use them!

The horse is not a totally stupid animal - he likes to roll on the softest and most comfortable surface - and if there are nice thick banks, that's it! The only banks that MIGHT stop a horse getting cast would be moulded rubber - straw will flatten right out under a horse's weight!
 
JanetGeorge said:
In my experience, banks encourage horses to get cast - and I won't use them!

The horse is not a totally stupid animal - he likes to roll on the softest and most comfortable surface - and if there are nice thick banks, that's it! The only banks that MIGHT stop a horse getting cast would be moulded rubber - straw will flatten right out under a horse's weight!
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Got to agree with this - the only time one of my horses has ever been cast has been in a yard which used big banks (and she did it several times whilst there). Been in various other yards before and since and never cast.
 
JanetGeorge said:
In my experience, banks encourage horses to get cast - and I won't use them!

The horse is not a totally stupid animal - he likes to roll on the softest and most comfortable surface - and if there are nice thick banks, that's it! The only banks that MIGHT stop a horse getting cast would be moulded rubber - straw will flatten right out under a horse's weight!
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I agree with this - I used to bank my horses bed right up until someone told me that unless they were 4ft high, they were bloody useless. I do put small banks in my mares stable mainly so I can chuck my bedding against it for the poo to roll down though! My mare is a roller - as soon as I have done her bed in a morning - beautiful straight lines, she goes back in, digs it ALL up and throws it round and then will have a good roll - sometimes 6 - 10 times up and down before she is happy with the mess she has made! Gelding never rolls - never actually lies down, so doesn't get banks.
 
In my stables I do not have banks (banks make no sense to me). I have anti-cast boards so wouldn't make much difference whether I had banks or not. I can totally understand why the owner is hacked off with having a vet bill for a horse who just cast itself. I would be pretty miffed about that too.
 
Starbucks said:
TBH though I do wonder if they make much difference anyway - he could have become cast anyway.

Why don't you mind your own business!!
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Typical - shame some people cannot be civil. I believe they only say things like this for attention though.

As for banks - they do very little unless they are enormous.
 
Spring Feather said:
I can totally understand why the owner is hacked off with having a vet bill for a horse who just cast itself. I would be pretty miffed about that too.
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This is not the point I was trying to make!
The owner was more anoyed about the bills and did not care to check whether her horse was ALRIGHT! :mad:

I am sorry but whatever you say I Believe you should take the welfare of a horse with a higher priority over everything else!!!!
 
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