Tharg
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Off to Australia with him then.
Why hunting should also be banned in Ireland
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Reginald
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Try not to lose your cool on internet sites like this, Tom, it's not worth it.
Blairite
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Reginald,
An interesting post and one that will be of no surprise to those of us that know the realities of the Hunting Fraternity and their ilk.
I note with interest how when you state your belief regarding hunting in Ireland, the Fraternity round on you for "dictating" yet if Ireland were to bow to pressure and ban the 'sport' we would have no end of "dictating" from the Fraternity insisting that it be reinstated, just as they did in England and Wales.
Interesting also how the member accused of making the claims to the Landowner failed to deny the claims and also interesting is how some of the Fraternity on these boards rubbished the article without any evidence, yet others accepted that it was probably right, saying "this is only one hunt" So evidence of division in the ranks! I also agree that Ireland should not spend 700 hours debating the subject. A simple blanket ban on Foxhunting would be sufficient.
I wonder if Fraternity members worry about the time and money when they argue for the Act to be repealed. Of course not. Hypocrisy once again.
Don't worry about insults from Tom_Faggus (Wurzel) he is missing Mrs. Beckett, he is realising how much better off he was under her Leadership and the Government of Mr. Blair. Wurzel how is the Allotment?! Got all your Carrots in I trust.
Regards
Lord_Blairite
An interesting post and one that will be of no surprise to those of us that know the realities of the Hunting Fraternity and their ilk.
I note with interest how when you state your belief regarding hunting in Ireland, the Fraternity round on you for "dictating" yet if Ireland were to bow to pressure and ban the 'sport' we would have no end of "dictating" from the Fraternity insisting that it be reinstated, just as they did in England and Wales.
Interesting also how the member accused of making the claims to the Landowner failed to deny the claims and also interesting is how some of the Fraternity on these boards rubbished the article without any evidence, yet others accepted that it was probably right, saying "this is only one hunt" So evidence of division in the ranks! I also agree that Ireland should not spend 700 hours debating the subject. A simple blanket ban on Foxhunting would be sufficient.
I wonder if Fraternity members worry about the time and money when they argue for the Act to be repealed. Of course not. Hypocrisy once again.
Don't worry about insults from Tom_Faggus (Wurzel) he is missing Mrs. Beckett, he is realising how much better off he was under her Leadership and the Government of Mr. Blair. Wurzel how is the Allotment?! Got all your Carrots in I trust.
Regards
Lord_Blairite
CARREG
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Reggie
you coldnt bully me, in posts or in real life, you simply dont have the tools, its the middle of my hunting season, Im far too busy to be posting on here every day, its 20.56 pm Ive been out since 5.15 am controlling pests, Im knackered, night night...............Carreg
you coldnt bully me, in posts or in real life, you simply dont have the tools, its the middle of my hunting season, Im far too busy to be posting on here every day, its 20.56 pm Ive been out since 5.15 am controlling pests, Im knackered, night night...............Carreg
wurzel
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Why not ?
Eagle_day
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"I wonder if Fraternity members worry about the time and money when they argue for the Act to be repealed. Of course not. Hypocrisy once again."
Not really. The time and money will be a tiny part of that the Lunatic Fringe spent getting their cack-handed Act passed.
"The Hunting Act 2004 is hereby repealed."
There, I've done it for you - it really will be as easy as that.
Not really. The time and money will be a tiny part of that the Lunatic Fringe spent getting their cack-handed Act passed.
"The Hunting Act 2004 is hereby repealed."
There, I've done it for you - it really will be as easy as that.
Reginald
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You're so busy and so knackered you come on here to say you're too busy and knackered to post. Poor pet!
Vicki1986
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someone alledeging something happened is not "overwhelming evidence"
a photo, a tape recording, video footage is overwhelming evidence.
If it did happen, then what pratts, as they will damage huntings rep in Ireland very badly - however i hope as they say the rumours are just that.
Innocent til proven guilty. and someone saying they saw something is not proof in my book. more like one groups word against another.
CARREG
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I think my reply was,"Im far too busy to be posting on here every day"...Reggie, admit it your missing me when Im not on here, I'll try to get on a little more often....just for you..xx...........Carreg
druid
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Case was concluded, the only charge was a small fine for the humane killer being left in the parked jeep in the field & not in hand at the dig as per reg.s. The landowner had REQUESTED the dig and also asked to be present during the event. 3 hounds broke away from the pack which was being held at a safe distance across the field and killed the fox in the half dug den.
soggy
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Carreg
Reggie no mates, is in love with you for certain. :grin:
Backs to the walls boys Reggies in town! :grin: :grin:
Reginald
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Yes, the landowner had indeed requested the dig - which makes his allegation that cruelty took place so much more credible.
Predictably, however, the Irish Masters of Foxhounds Association rejected the landowner's claims. According to a report in the Westmeath Topic newspaper:
"The IMFHA said that they unreservedly accept the account of what happened as stated in an interview conducted with the whipper-in who supervised the dig."
I wonder if the whipper-in is related to Kieran Fallon?
In any event what this unsavoury incident shows is that self-regulation doesn't work. It's time for Ireland to join the civilised world and ban animal abuse.
Predictably, however, the Irish Masters of Foxhounds Association rejected the landowner's claims. According to a report in the Westmeath Topic newspaper:
"The IMFHA said that they unreservedly accept the account of what happened as stated in an interview conducted with the whipper-in who supervised the dig."
I wonder if the whipper-in is related to Kieran Fallon?
In any event what this unsavoury incident shows is that self-regulation doesn't work. It's time for Ireland to join the civilised world and ban animal abuse.
Reginald
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Of course I miss you Carreg. Someone who can fearlessly kill thousands of foxes and live to tell the tale (again and again and again) will always get my groin twitching.
My only tiny disappointment is that you seem to be scared of corroborating the authenticity of the post I referred Soggydoodah to on diggingout.org.
My only tiny disappointment is that you seem to be scared of corroborating the authenticity of the post I referred Soggydoodah to on diggingout.org.
soggy
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What based upon one rather dubiously reported incident. Grow up!
soggy
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Could it be that its just another load of B/S as are 99.999% of your posts.
only_me
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excuse me!! am i wrong or had i been mistaken that ireland IS civilised?? because, if you do in fact believe that, then england is also not civilised. nor america. nor france. nor spain. nor... shall i go on?
there may be a hunting ban law passed, but so far how many arrests have been made? people are still hunting.
and anyway, animal abuse is banned - go speak to ipca. and hunting is NOT animal abuse!!
Reginald
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Well, no country is completely civilised. Whilst the UK has fine museums, Radio 4 and the Royal Shakespeare Company, it also has Roy "Chubby" Brown, an alarming number of chavs and (or should that be "including"?) terriermen.
The same goes for Ireland, but if, like me, you're keen to reduce animal abuse, I'm sure you'll join us in condemning the digusting way this fox (according to the "pro" landowner's allegation) was treated, as described in the original post.
When it comes to stepping forward and speaking out against blatant animal abuse I'm afraid pros on this site are rather backward.
The same goes for Ireland, but if, like me, you're keen to reduce animal abuse, I'm sure you'll join us in condemning the digusting way this fox (according to the "pro" landowner's allegation) was treated, as described in the original post.
When it comes to stepping forward and speaking out against blatant animal abuse I'm afraid pros on this site are rather backward.
Tharg
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And its amazing how some antis think.
Would you stop travellers going hare coursing illegally (over here it would be with no muzzle) or do you just go for the "soft" targets.
Would you stop travellers going hare coursing illegally (over here it would be with no muzzle) or do you just go for the "soft" targets.
only_me
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actually reg, i am a pro.
i do not like animal abuse, but hunting with dogs is not animal abuse. it is more humane for a dog to kill a fox instantly than man to shoot a fox and wound it, delaying death.
I don't believe that the incident took place like that. i think it was a poor misunderstanding, wrong man wrong time, twisted by newspapers and rotten luck that the dogs killed the fox in earth.
i do not like animal abuse, but hunting with dogs is not animal abuse. it is more humane for a dog to kill a fox instantly than man to shoot a fox and wound it, delaying death.
I don't believe that the incident took place like that. i think it was a poor misunderstanding, wrong man wrong time, twisted by newspapers and rotten luck that the dogs killed the fox in earth.
Reginald
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"it is more humane for a dog to kill a fox instantly than man to shoot a fox and wound it, delaying death."
The problem with this is that hunts encourage foxes to breed in order to hunt them, and do so in the name of "vermin control". Don't you see the flaw in this argument?
The problem with this is that hunts encourage foxes to breed in order to hunt them, and do so in the name of "vermin control". Don't you see the flaw in this argument?
Reginald
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"i do not like animal abuse, but hunting with dogs is not animal abuse."
Hunting deer with hounds is certainly animal abuse. Even a Master of stag hounds has said it is "cruel".
Hunting deer with hounds is certainly animal abuse. Even a Master of stag hounds has said it is "cruel".
Reginald
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"do you just go for the "soft" targets."
I don't "go" for any targets. I merely use this forum to air my views. You can agree or disagree as you wish.
I don't "go" for any targets. I merely use this forum to air my views. You can agree or disagree as you wish.
Eagle_day
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"Don't you see the flaw in this argument?"
Control v. extermination?
No, I don't.
Control v. extermination?
No, I don't.
Blairite
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Roy Chubby Brown is one of my favourites! ;-0
Reginald
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It's not "control" though. Even Simon Hart said that the MFHA was advocating "the artificial enhancement of a pest species for purely sporting benefit".
u04elw2
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Lol I love reading some of these forums. Isn't it amazing that so many people still support bloodsports and yet those of us who are against them are treated like the morons, liars and "extremists" that they see us as and have abuse and insults hurled at us?
So sad that civilized human beings are really nothing above the animals they murder. And as for breeding foxes and then stating that they're killing them for "pest control" - it just shows up the true hypocrites among us.
I'm off to eat my vegan sandwich, have a cup of tea and sit back and watch the rest of the arguments that will no doubt be added to this thread...
So sad that civilized human beings are really nothing above the animals they murder. And as for breeding foxes and then stating that they're killing them for "pest control" - it just shows up the true hypocrites among us.
I'm off to eat my vegan sandwich, have a cup of tea and sit back and watch the rest of the arguments that will no doubt be added to this thread...