Why is it the good one's?

Lanky Loll

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This is a long self pitying post for which I apologise but I've spent most of the last 16 hours or so in tears.
My lovely big TB mare has been diagnosed with a badly torn DDFT after spending the last 6 weeks intermittently lame in front. We'd tried all sorts thinking it was due to her thin soles which were the only thing that showed up on the original xrays but when different pads / shoes / treatments made no difference we nerve blocked her yesterday and scanned today to see that the tendon is double the width it should be just above where it joins the navicular bone with a huge hole.
Prognosis is extremely poor and I'm currently sat with an awful decision to make.
Loll owes me nothing and has given me so much in the last 4 years.
Dad bought her as a big gangly 4yo from DBS with the hope that she might be the next Quevega ;) By the same stallion as Mon Mome we thought that she might make a useful NH or P2P horse. Too big and weak to go into training straight away I spent the winter and following spring hacking and playing with her did a couple of fun rides where she was a saint and got her pre-season fit before sending her off into training. She only ran once that winter coming second in a bumper at Towcester in good company.
She came home for the summer and had time in the field before being got fit again to go into training - she's an incredible ride on the gallops, she takes a strong hold but you can always stop by dropping the reins and she's back to walk in 3 strides but when she wants to go, she just extends her incredible stride and she's gone :) Back in to training she went to run in another bumper at Exeter on new years day, finishing mid-div in the thick mud and the trainer decides that she needs to go over hurdles next but insists on it being soft - heavy ground, I'm not sure why. Anyway off she goes to Huntingdon... and jumps 3 hurdles in the middle of the pack before pulling herself up. You can see the jockey cussing on the video but she's had enough and that's it home she comes for good this time.
She came home poor, but if she's not worked she goes back in herself so we have a summer of light work and hacking whilst building her back up with the aim of 2013 being "our year" - I hadn't competed since 1998 but something about this mare made me want too. Roll on December 2012 and I'm pregnant, I kept riding her up until I was six months gone but that's 2013 effectively scuppered for our grand plans. She spends the rest of the summer hacking and doing funrides with a friend but no schooling or flatwork sends us back. My son arrived by c-section at the end of August writing off riding until mid-October when I clambered back on board with no core strength and started to try and get us both back in order. Making the most of my maternity leave I had regular lessons and joined the local riding club, we both came on in leaps and bounds.
Summer of 2014 we started to compete going out to our first SJ competitions, for our 3rd show we decided to make up the numbers in the RoR challenge class at the Beaufort Show. Having never even seen one of those classes before we had no idea what to expect and the wrong kit on - everyone else in tweed and there was me dressed to go and do SJ. To my shock and glee we came in 3rd with the comments from the judge that she was a bit green and needed to be fatter but she's a lovely mare and he really liked her.
A few more shows and we were representing our RC at the Area Novice SJ where our team finished 2nd qualifying for the final at Hartpury this year.
We had a relatively quiet winter - made it to West Wilts once so that she'd at least had a spin indoors before we had to go to Hartpury as she'd never jumped inside. Occasional lessons with Pammy Hutton through the riding club working on our show for Windsor as that's the bit I panic about and off we trek to Hartpury with the rest of our team.
We're in the small arena which on a 17hh TB feels TINY, she's best equated to steering an ocean liner and this was definitely tight - in the first round she quailed at the arena and we did half the round in trot for 2 down and we were the discard score, something had to be done so I took her outside and found somewhere to have a sneaky leg stretch before the next round. Round 2 - lovely clear, and with the rest of the team following suit we were into a jump off with the other 2 teams on 0. As the last team to go we went for an all or nothing approach - worst case we were 3rd which was better than expected so flat out and try to leave them up was the aim of the day. It works - all of our team jump clear with a collective time over 20secs quicker than our nearest rivals :D Our team of 3 ex racehorses and a rescue pony were National Champs :D
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Onwards to Windsor where a class start time of 7.30 saw us leaving home at 4am - madam wasn't wonderfully chuffed at the early start it had to be said, not helped by me taking a detour when we got onto the showground and wandering up to the wrong end of our arena - but at least we got to see the sites. Sadly I went to pot once we got into the arena - not helped by the stewards changing our directions regarding what to do for our show 3 times before I went in (and I was only 5th to go!), we kicked two fences out that she did her best to leave up and I did my best to hinder her at :o:o but she behaved impeccably and we got our well done for turning up frilly even if I didn't get a decent photo - how come they got a good one of everyone else's gallop but took ours when we were coming back to walk afterwards and she's doing a short lived giraffe impression :mad:
For the rest of summer we've not done too much although we did make it to my first ODE in 22 years - we were the best finishers for our RC in the 80 at the areas, getting a 39 for our dressage - her first ever and with a pilot error, and going clear SJ and XC where she was an absolute star cruising round and making it feel like a walk in the park.
After that she was foot sore and we thought that she'd bruised her sole and so the rounds of pads, shoes and treatments began. An xray showed that her bone structure in the hoof was perfect but that her soles in front are extremely thin so when pads seemed to make an improvement and she came sound again we carried on with relatively light work and going to camp which she loved - my worries about her thinking she was back in training completely allayed when she settled straight in.
Back home a week later she pulled in out of the field lame. Cue more rounds of trying different things until we get to this week and the decision to do the nerve block as it had to be more than the soles and so we get to today.
And I'm sat here in tears when I really should be working. It's my decision to make and I'm not asking for advice just understanding. This is the horse that made me want to compete again. That puts up with me being an eedjit and asking her to randomly jump puddles, the river, gates, fences and hedges out hacking, that without doing much had achieved more than I dreamed of when we began. I really don't know if I want another horse because they won't be her. She may be able to continue as a field ornament and I know dad would love a foal from her but that's so long term and if she's in pain then not an option - although just this week she's been a baggage to bring in, sometimes galloping off looking sound as a pound, others gimping away at a pace just fast enough that you have to run to catch her.
So sorry for the self-pitying post, and I know it's not really a competition report but at the very least it's the end of her competitive career and whatever the outcome I'm just devastated.
 
Do you have space to just turn her away, don't bring her in, just leave her out (checked obviously), maybe nanny some babies? If so, I'd just turn her away and look at her again in a year or so.
 
Do you have space to just turn her away, don't bring her in, just leave her out (checked obviously), maybe nanny some babies? If so, I'd just turn her away and look at her again in a year or so.

We have limited space but she's not a great doer and doesn't particularly like being out, definitely wouldn't winter out unfortunately :( Even through summer she has to come in and have a feed, and historically when she's had time off without work she come in looking worse than she went out :( It may be that having matured she'll do better and this could be an answer but she would still need managing condition wise.
 
She sounds like a wonderful mare, still very young, by my estimation 8 or 9 years, I think young enough and special enough to give her every chance, her feet are otherwise good, notwithstanding the thin soles, so I would be looking into getting those soles stronger to support the healing process, it may be a long haul but must be worth a try, if you contact Rockley farm they may be able to offer advice even if sending her there is not an option.
It would be worth posting in vets, just the diagnosis and see if you get ideas that may give her that chance, I think it must be worth it as she does not sound as if she is suffering from too much pain although taking her shoes off will make her sore and require serious commitment from you, it seems that you think a lot of her and could put in the effort to give it a try.

You did not ask for advice but I thought it worth mentioning, vets do not usually consider barefoot, most have not heard of Rockley and what they do, hugs anyway I know what it is like to have an injured horse, mine has been rehabbing for 21/2 years and at long last seems to be sound.
 
She's 9, I've been madly reading what I can find and had hoped that barefoot might work. Dad is a farrier but not one that's anti-bf so will be open to it, BUT she is a huge baby with no shoes on - a lost shoe leaves her looking like her leg is broken. Rockley ironically is relatively local to us. One thing that is against her though is that her feet are too small apparently - explanation from the vet was that there isn't sufficient space to relieve the pressure on the sole if that makes sense? But yes it is something we are considering if we can keep her relatively pain free and manage the whole not wanting to be out thing - she literally kicks the door to come in after a couple of hours in the winter (or sooner if really cold)!
 
So sorry to hear about this as know how much you and her have worked together and achieved. I don't have any suggestions but by all means get in touch if you just want a chat. Take care xxxx
 
Thanks H we're taking her shoes off to start with and see how she copes but am realistic that at the moment she's at best a field ornament and we won't continue if she's in pain :(
 
Am on phone hence shirt reply but just to say vino who has never been a good diet came through this winter fab just because having a relaxed time off it. I think they can surprise you with how well they can do
 
Oh bl**dy hell..... Been there in spades and it's horrible. Vito's predecessor did her DDFT in her hoof. It's the blackest, most gut-wrenching feeling imaginable. It will get a bit easier with time, but there's not much you can do about it now, other than wait....

(I sent mine back to her breeder and now she has a couple of foals. It worked out as well as it could have, given the circs.)

Good luck.

Here, this might distract you: http://e-venting.co.uk/2015/07/materna-venting-10/
 
So sorry for you both, nothing I can add, of course you will do what is best for her - I don't envy your decision at all. You are so right about it always happening to the good ones sadly - sending you a huge hug x
 
Thanks both, I think the good ones look after you rather than themselves to their detriment :( whilst the bad ones look after themselves.
H2T I didn't realise about your mare but that does give me a little hope thank you. I was gutted for you to hear about Vito. Mum has kindly offered me the ride on her baby ISH -who has yet to be named he's such a baby - like you he's not what I would choose normally but we shall see. I'm away with holidays and work over the next few weeks so will see how nuts I go with no riding before I make any decisions on that front.
 
I've been where you are and it's horrible. Mine did exactly what yours has done. I know you didn't want any advice but it is worth looking at rockley, I went to visit and nearly sent mine, but I took his shoes off and did it at home. He came sound and was back competing again, it was more than I ever dreamed of, he's 16 this year and i am starting to slow him down now due to other unrelated issues. He's got a home for life and won't be going anywhere. Good luck with whatever you decide. X
 
Awk LL - ur love for her and ur bond together really shines through in that post!! Devastated for u :-( don't make any quick decisions tho, as I'm sure u won't. Rockley has some amazing success stories. We are going through a similar story with my sisters horse, got news last week which had pretty much he same prognosis and we are so deflated and heart broken. After a tough few years with horses we are just glad she's still here to greet us each day tho. Def look into rockley if u can
 
Very sorry to read this. I've been through something similar with 2 event horses. I don't know if this will help.. The first we had put down. We were on rented land, had little grazing, and gave him as much time as we could. It utterly broke my heart to have him PTS. The second I still have, he is 3/10s lame behind and is a field ornament. I have asked the vet several times if I am being cruel keeping him alive. The vet looks me square in the eye and says 'no'. He usually adds: 'you're more lame than the horse and there are people competing horses 3/10s lame with no knowledge they are even lame'. There is a chance he'll come sound with enough field rest. He has to be in at night, rugged and needs front shoes on. I can honestly say he's quite rewarding and I wouldn't think about putting him down unless he got considerably worse. I'm lucky we have our own land and I can afford another to event.

So I guess what I'm saying is; I've experienced both options and I've never quite forgiven myself for putting the other horse down. I'd now always give them a chance if I can, although I'd never judge someone for their decision.
 
My one-in-a-million competition horse also ended his career with a big hole in his DDFT a few years ago. I was devastated (still am). He tweaked it in the field, one morning he just came in badly lame. He had surgery on it (luckily was insured) but they said at the time it was serious and definately career ending. Best case they wanted to make him field sound but really they had no idea as hadn't seen many injuries like it. He actually surprised everyone and did become sound and I did do some intro dressage with him last year purely for fun (I dont like cantering him just in case), but I have noticed if he overdoes it rushing about in the field then he is a bit sore on it the next day. He is basically retired but I get on him for a little schooling in walk purely to keep him sane as he misses being ridden so much. Putting him to sleep was never an option for me unless he wasn't field sound, I owe him everything so I feel I have to give him a good retirement. It's horrible OP, good luck whatever you decide x
 
Didnt want to read and run but so sorry about your mare and from the sound of it whatever decision you make will be the best one for her. Lucky mare x
 
Just wanted to say I'm sorry you're going through this... But look at all these positive stories! Seems to me your horse has a fighting chance so best of luck, whatever you decide :)
 
So sorry to hear this and it's obvious you adore your mare. I can't add anything although my ex racer boy is currently rehabbing from a tendon injury. I'm certain whatever decision you make will be the right one.
 
Sorry to hear about your mare :(

I've no advice about what to do only to add my experience about being a poor doer - mine is 17h also & lived out but was always poor and I had tried feeding him up but had no effect. He had no ulcers etc. but I changed him to releve which is low starch & high fibre. We've never looked back! He has no issues with his condition now (is a bit too well!!) and when competing he gets a Stubbs scoop twice a day which is sufficient to keep condition. When he's off he just gets half a scoop once or twice a day depending on season and that maintains condition too. It might be worth a try? :)
 
I have a TBxSF horse with a similar injury, a tear to the ddft at the insertion point, diagnosed by mri in april 2013 aged 8. He was basically turned away for 8 months, shoes off, and walked over firm ground/tarmac, then brought back into work spring 2014. He then went lame behind, diagnosed with spavins in both hocks, injected, and worked lightly since then.

It is really only very recently he has started to look properly 100% to me, although vets said he was fine to be ridden. I do think he had a lot of issues, but often poor front feed and hock problems go together. It has been a long road with him, and I don't see us ever jumping him again (he was out eventing at Novice) but I am hopeful someone would take him on loan to perhaps do dressage, just need to find the right person as he is quite hot!

Think you said your mare's feet are small, that was also the case for my horse, his feet are dinky. They have improved vastly without shoes, and he now has great feet, with big strong heels. The hope is that all that extra tissue will help to support the injured area at the back of his foot.

Anyway, what I am saying is that it takes a long time to undo all the ill effects and it can be demoralising at times but there is often light at the end of the tunnel.

Good luck with your mare.
 
Thanks again all. As long as we can manage the pain I'm prepared to give her as long as she needs. She does suffer from ulcers so her diet is managed to a degree already. ASD interesting that your boy also has small feet - at 17hh she only needs medium over reach boots despite being full or even x-full lengthwise in tendon boots! The vet this restriction is part of the problem - the bone structure is correct but her hooves didn't grow to the size they should have for some reason.
For the moment she's as comfortable as we can make her and ruling the paddock so we're taking it a day at a time.
 
Just a quick update - we've had her rescanned after three months in the paddock and... it's healing!! She's got a special shoe on created by dad to relieve pressure in some areas whilst providing support where it's needed and (touching wood frantically) it appears to be working. Even the vet was amazed.
The tendon was about 25% hole before, now it's about 15% and whereas it was just a "black hole" on the scan before it now looks like a grey veil IYSWIM. The vet believes that all being well it should be healed in about 3 more months, we'd already planned for her to have a minimum of a year off which would take us to next August, but we may send her to a stallion early in the new year and give her longer - I'm in no hurry.
Sat here doing a tentative happy dance :D
 
Great news!

Fwiw feet do often tend to get somewhat larger out of shoes although it sounds like carrying on what you are doing is a good plan for the moment!
 
Great news!

Fwiw feet do often tend to get somewhat larger out of shoes although it sounds like carrying on what you are doing is a good plan for the moment!

Because of where the injury is we went with the special shoe as if the foot spreads the danger was it could pull the tendon off the navicular, The hole is where the tendon meets the bone the best description I can come up with is; you know when you pull the blue tack off the wall it shreds slightly - that seems to be what the tendon has done. We've taken her other shoes off though and she's coping with that in the wet and her "good" foot looks more concave than it has before too, but I want the tendon to heal more before we take that shoe off!
 
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