why the snotty attitude???

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lilym

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towards DIY liveries??? having just read another post i have to say i'm quite put out about the general attitude towards them. i have been a DIY'er for many years now, i DON'T NICK THINGS i pay my bills on time, i do not neglect my horses, the neds are in a regular routine and don't create when others are fed etc......at my yard we buy our own hay, feed, bedding etc, so there are no arguments over who uses what - pay as you go is the way to go with diy.
 
I'm totally with you on this one. i personnaly would rather be DIY given the choice as i feel that you don't get to bond with your horse if someone else looks after it almost full time. I hate it when DIY people are generalised in this way.
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I dont think people have anything against DIY liveries, its just on a big competition type yard it tends to work best if you are in control of everthing, from being on several yards (as a DIYer) I have found when you mix DIY and full it just doesnt work as the 2 are very different. This comes from someone that has always had their horse on DIY
 
Most people have suggested assisted DIY or at least include bedding and hay. This means you have some control over the routine of the horses and you ensure they all have a certain standard of care and attention. Even if this assist is simply that all horses are feed breakfast at the same time and hay'd or turned out.
 
Not sure what post this is referring to. But I have always been DIY. My previous yard was DIY or Full. There was never any problem. Everyone knew what the rules were, and if you couldn't abide by those rules you were asked to leave.
 
I don't think you can generalise like that. I was DIY for at least 10 years and would still be doing it now if it weren't for working crazy hours.

BUT I prefer to be on a yard where the horses are all fed at the same time etc and previous yard was a mix where it worked very well. DIYs would mix feeds etc and YO would turn them out/in same time as the full liveries.
 
The horses on our yard are all on DIY all fed at different times and turned out at different times they are relaxed and happy. My two have the same routine every day and are settled regardless of what the other horses are doing. Most of the yards I've had my horses at have been DIY, in fact the only yard that had assisted DIY and full liveries seemed to have the most problems, people with their horses on full would not come down for weeks, there were constant issues with the amount of forage and bedding horses got , turnout was a logistical nightmare and I ended up doing my horses as though they were on DIY anyway.
 
I don't know which post you are refering to? We have always been on DIY on our yard & there are other horses on Full Livery, 5 day livery etc & there are no problems. The YO is there to put out, bring in etc should anyone have a problem & not be able to get there, so there is assistance if needed. As for 'borrowing' of equipment, we've not experienced it as we have individual locking cages to keep tack & feed in. Additionally we can buy in feed, hay, bedding ourselves oir though the YO, the choice is ours.

As for morning feed, although our's is a big yard (26 horses) we are in a block with onlky 3 horses in. Whoever gets there first puts all 3 feeds in so there is no problem.

I've never felt anyone has posted anything 'snotty' about DIY livery............... is it DIY if you're lucky enough to be able to keep your horses at home?
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It isn't a snotty attitude Lilym, but experience talking..
Where do I start, the woman who fed her horse on rotting veg from the market and one small bucket of molichop a day, (the rest of us sneakily fed it)
the woman who accused her neighbour of hitting her horse because God had told her it was her. (loonie)
The one who after being caught stealing hay attacked me causing me to spend three and a half months on my back in hospital with a near miscarriage?
You sound as if you have been lucky, I have lost count over the years of the nutters we encountered.
One lot even sneaked into our own tackroom using our code, took our clippers and left them full of black and white hair..we didn't have any horses that colour and it was only when we saw they were filthy on next use we realised what they had done!
It has also to be said some were damned wonderful, and became firm friends, in fact even now at Christmas I get a load of cards from my ex liveries.. some stayed 12 years.
As for the random feeding times, well owners should try and organise a routine where all the horses get fed together, it's mean otherwise whether you think your horse minds or not..
 
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Not sure what post this is referring to. But I have always been DIY. My previous yard was DIY or Full. There was never any problem. Everyone knew what the rules were, and if you couldn't abide by those rules you were asked to leave.

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i think its a response to FRESHMAN's thread further down....
 
I don't know the post you're referring to but apart from 2 years on full livery I have always been DIY. The full livery was a nightmare as the YO was basically cheating her clients by feeding poor quality feeds, skimping on the bedding and not mucking out properly. I was the only owner on the yard who came up every day and eventually I realised the extent of what was going on and took the horses away. I hated the loss of control and the loosening of the bonds with my horses that full livery meant.

As a DIYer with horses out 24/7, I'm on the yard at least once and often twice a day, I keep my own feed/tack area clean, I check other people's horses, and I remove mine from the field to feed so no one is upset. I pay my bills by standing order and am always there for vet and farrier.
 
I'm on DIY livery and always have been. We are on a big yard but the horses are all split into blocks of 5-10 and the first person down always feeds all the horses in the block. Yes the horses go out a different times but they all become accustomed to their own routine.

There are some inconsiderate people on our yard but I will check the other horses in the field and will not leave a horse out in the field by itself. It does get frustrating when you feel you are the only one tidying up and sometimes I wish there was the chance for assisted livery (i.e. bringing in etc) but I wouldn't want to lose the extra time I spend with my horse mucking out, feeding etc
 
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It isn't a snotty attitude Lilym, but experience talking..
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Quite HH, I can vouch for the nutters that I have seen in my 20years plus of DIY livery!!

And speaking as somebody who has worked in/ run both livery and competition yards: Give me 15 fit comp horses to do every day rather than 5 liveries, I will leave you to ponder that thought!
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There is absolutely NO snotty attiude on the thread at all! I pointed out that I spend at least an hour morning and night sorting out communal areas, I do tons for the DIYers and it is important that Fresh knows what is involved having DIYers around if they are not of the perfect variety!
 
blimey! surely you get crazy people regardless of the type of livery they recieve! I think you just need a decent yard manager to keep things in check. I am a lone DIY on a full/part livery yard and I love it, but i do accept that i have to fit in with their routine, if this didnt suit me i would go somewhere where else, simple really!
 
Im sorry to say im sure there are lots of good nice DIYers out there but most that i have known have been a complete pain in the bum !!! they dont clear up after them, turn up when and moan when we have bought all the full liveries in as weather was horrible and left there out (with other field ponies) !! Cause attitude with the full liveries and loads more !!!

I got rid of all my DIY and just do full now as they just dont mix !!!

Sorry i dont mean to offend anyone x
 
Dont think anyone was being snotty. But from the point of view of someone wanting to manage a large competition establishment (as the topic was about), DIYers can be a bit of a nightmare.

With full liveries, you keep control over the daily routine of the horses. If you then mix DIYers in there who often have completly different individual routines, it can work out as a managerial nightmare. Its not quite so bad if you can have seperate yards - one for the DIY people and one for the full liveries but in experience, this tends to create a kind of social division that then breeds resentment.
 
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blimey! surely you get crazy people regardless of the type of livery they recieve!

[/ QUOTE ] That's true - but the DIYers are likely to spend much more time at the yard than the full liveries - so you get a bigger dose of their craziness!
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LMAO HH
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I havent read Freshmans thread so will go and have a look in a bit. But HH you do get em
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I was on DIY for many years as a teen and cant remember any loonies, stealing etc. Maybe it did go on but I was just a kid so wouldnt have taken much notice.
Since coming back into horses I've been at two yards. First was a small livery yard where YO never advertised the fact she took liveries. It was via word of mouth only. I think there were a couple of numpties there at times, but they soon got a grip and / or left. I think at any given time there were probably only 3 or 4 liveries. It was very peaceful and YO would feed prepared feeds if asked to. It worked well.

I'm (well, my kids) now on a private yard. As I'm usually about before anyone else (well, there's only us and YO who employs a groom for his horses) I hay them (stick a slice over each door) if they're fretting over ours getting 'done' before them. There's no aggro, no backbiting. But on the other side there's no-one to sit and have a coffee with, no excuse to stay at the yard all day.

You get loonies and odd bods everywhere, so i think it's fair to say it's not just DIY thing.
 
my yard gets around it by having rules that horses are not to be left out on their own and if they bring them in its £3 so you make sure you do what they say.They also turn my horse out oin the mornings for me. I guess you just need extra rules. Its good being a lone DIYer as i get to use the facilities during the day when all the part/full liveries are at work!!!! Tee hee!!Theres never anyone around apart from the grooms. If i worked as well i dont think they would let me stay there. The last yard i was at was full DIY and was hellish, the biggest logistical nightmare ever. It just depends on the person.
 
I am a DIYer and love it i would not want to be on full livery whats the point in having a horse you hardly spend any time with. You may as well loan it. Personally my yard is just diy and we all get on great nothing goes missing. The YO feeds in the morning so we all leave food out for her to give to our horses and she will turn out and change rugs for an extra £1 a day. She will also do them for you whilst you are away! at a price but it is stated that it is a diy yard! I presonally wouldnt want anything else. It works perfect for me!
 
Thats great and no one has any problems with people on DIY. The original thread was about DIYers and full liveries mixing on the same, large competition yard and its then, i think, that the problems arise.
 
In the past I have been on a lovely DIY yard, with minimal nutters. As a YO now though, I will only take in full liveries, the horses are all content as they know whats going on from day to day, and they are all looked after to IMHO my high standards.
That is not a slight against DIY'ers at all - I have been one for years previously, and you can have nutty full liveries, they're just not there so much! All the liveries I have are lovely anyway thank god. But I am running a yard, and I have my competing horses and broodmares there, so for me, personally, it is important to run it my way, and that is very difficult if you take in DIY's. Its exactly what is says - DIY or DIYW (do it your way).
 
Having been on full livery always felt very detached from my horse.....so for the past 10 years always been a DIY'er,have been at yards where on one owner did not come down for days to see to her stabled horse,we helped out....in the end got fed up and we called the RSPCA out....I have to say using this Forum for over a year have never,ever felt any attitude towards the fact that I do my own horse....and if posts have been put on here giving you that feeling,then I think you might be misjudge in how your reading them....Sorry never,ever felt that on here!
 
Why the snotty attitude with anything? I dont think there's anything wrong with either personally - so long as the horse is looked after.

Im sick of hearing my ways better than your way..
 
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I am a DIYer and love it i would not want to be on full livery whats the point in having a horse you hardly spend any time with.

[/ QUOTE ] I used to be on full livery because I had a long commute into work everyday and didn't fancy getting up in the early hours of the morning to do my horse! I have mine at home now and it is great doing them myself, but at that point in my life full livery was the best option for me and my horse. I still managed to go up about three evenings a week, but I could spend that time riding and grooming, rather than mucking out!
 
I am a DIYer and love it i would not want to be on full livery whats the point in having a horse you hardly spend any time with

Well the point is that the horse still gets an excellent level of care and attention which you may not be able to provide due to time constraints. Effectively it enables a busy person to be able to still enjoy a horse without compromising its care - which I think can only be a good thing.
 
I would say there's just as much a snotty attitude towards people who keep their horses on full livery.
I've been a DIYer and now I'm a Full Liveryier (although I still muck PF out, make sure she has fresh water, etc, etc)
DIY absolutely would NOT work in Argentina. In fact, hardly anyone tacks their own horse up. Entirely different attitude to that in the UK.
 
same as my yar! (yes its still my yard- im still paying for a freakin stable!) People were more snotty to the FL than to the DIYers!. Odd set up! I had a friend turn flint out and bring in and muck out for me, never felt like I was on anysort of assisted livery and never felt like I was doing the wrong thing as knew the horse was being cared for and THATS what is important!
 
looks like a lot of people have a snotty attitude to people of full livery to me?

I would rather be on full that having to much out and then go to work. I can be at work anywhere in the country, so cannot do DIY. also have a lot of uni work, but ride both days at the weekend, and one during the week. so i suppose is should just sell him or put him on loan....
 
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