will my bitch still be pregnant?

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my poodle was mated to a proven stud dog poodle.we had all tests done etc beforehand and she went onto have a healthy litter of 4 pups.she was a maiden.2 months later my maiden westie went to the same stud dog and had tests etc done beforehand even though she a maiden bitch aswell.well she was mated on the 19th of july and tied successfully with the poodle.one week later she developed a brown bloody discharge-vet said it was end of her season-WRONG.took her back on tuesday 31 august and she has a uti.vet has given me noroclav antibiotics to clear up infection.did she get this from the stud dog as he also has an infection and the stud owner wants me to pay the vets bill for her dog.what are her chances of coming out this pregnant aswell??
 
let me get this right - you have put your westie to a poodle stud dog - why on earth would you do that ?
 
I can't believe how nasty some of the answers in this forum can be. Op, can your vet scan her so you know for sure?
 
I suppose that will be a Pestie, or perhaps a Woodle? No reason why two dogs of similar size should not be mated. I don't see stud dog owner has any comeback, I don't see how you can pay bill for another persons dog, it is more likely that the infection came from the dog rather than a maiden bitch which had been tested for disease, and cleared.
 
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I would say that if the stud dog owner accepted the necessary paperwork stating your bitch was 'clean', then they have no comeback.

As for whether she is still in pup - your vet will be able to tell you that.

aintgotnohay said:
poodles xs with westies are called westiepoos.
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No, they're called cross breeds - or mongrels - to be absolutely correct.

But sounds like a nice cross.
 
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Nope OP they will be mongrels with an inborn coat problem in a year or so.Some bitches end their season a bit messily,but the Noroclaf should sort that..so yes,you will no doubt have a huge litter of lovely mongrels.
 
I don't have any particular issue with people mixing whatever breeds of dogs together (although the fact the country is over-run with unwanted dogs does make me wonder WHY people want to do this??). However, what irks me is that people breed a mongrel dog (one you would previously have been able to pick up from a rescue for a pittance) and then decide to call it some ridiculous name and flog puppies for a huge sum!

I can't wait for when this trend eventually stops - what is it with this country having some obsessions with putting two separate names together to make one 'new' (daft) one?!

I have no answer to your question as know nothing about breeding. I am sure if she is in pup they will be, well cute little puppies. Whether necessary is a whol other thread.
 
If the bitch was swabbed clear before mating (presume this is what you mean by tests), then the stud dog owner has no comeback. Depending on how bad the infection your bitch may or may not hold.
I'm slightly puzzled that you were so upset when you thought your poodle might possibly be having a cross bred litter yet you have deliberately planned one with another dog.:confused:
 
Did your poodle girl have pups after she came ome with nasty wolf mongrel dog? Are they DNA tested for pure poodle?

If you swabbed the maiden westie prior to mating, then I don't see how it's her to blame for the study's infection? Also, why's the stud owner allowing cross breeding?
 
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Because its all about the money, if Wolfie had sired the last litter the pups would have been worthless.

OP I hope you are going to provide back up for all these puppies and take any back that develop health problems, Im sure as a responsible breeder you will say of course you will.:rolleyes:
 
Might be wrong but this is how I read it....
OP has deliberately mated her dog, and it got an infection. OP wants to know if the dog gave the infection to the bitch, or whether the bitch gave it to the dog and OP is responsible for the incurred bills from stud dog to clear his animal.
OP would also like to know if its possible the bitch is pregnant despite the infection and treatment.

Car crash from start to finish.....
 
aintgotnohay said:
i forgot to add the stud dog is a toy poodle.poodles xs with westies are called westiepoos.
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Oh dear :( they are called cross breeds there is no such breed as a westiepoo. There are some dreadful health conditions that can arise from mixing two pedigree breeds because you could be unfortunate and get the worst of both breeds. Part of the benefit of a pedigree is that the health tests are specific to the breed (unless its hips which are generic).

I would love to know which 'health' tests were carried out to do this mating :rolleyes:

No you should not be paying for the stud dogs vet bills as there will be no proof which dog passed on the infection if your bitch is a maiden bitch then in all likelihood it will be the stud dogs fault in which case you could claim your own vet bills from the owner.

I have to admit I would hope on this occasion there are no puppies from the mating. In future consider going to a stud within your own breed and health test accordingly. Ask you vet to scan your bitch to confirm that she is pregnant.
 
Has the OP ever stated that either her Poodle or Westie or the stud Poodle are pedigree??

Have suspicion that 'health tests' will be no more that the vet checking it has a pulse prior to vaccs (if that).

OP sounds nothing more than a BYB.
 
aintgotnohay said:
my poodle was mated to a proven stud dog poodle.we had all tests done etc beforehand and she went onto have a healthy litter of 4 pups.she was a maiden.2 months later my maiden westie went to the same stud dog and had tests etc done beforehand even though she a maiden bitch aswell.well she was mated on the 19th of july and tied successfully with the poodle.one week later she developed a brown bloody discharge-vet said it was end of her season-WRONG.took her back on tuesday 31 august and she has a uti.vet has given me noroclav antibiotics to clear up infection.did she get this from the stud dog as he also has an infection and the stud owner wants me to pay the vets bill for her dog.what are her chances of coming out this pregnant aswell??
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Today is the 1st. of August (see the bold print above), point one, and point two, this is another post of yours from the 24th. of May.

Tell me something, is it just me, or is this all a work of fiction? Are these two dogs one and the same? I'm a little confused, explain to me.

Finally, if your planning on a career as a dog breeder, I'd give up now, you'll be happier, and so will your dogs. ;)

Alec.
 
Just in case anyone is reading this that genuinely wants to produce a crossbreed litter I hope you will think about a couple of things:

Each pedigree breed has a dedicated rescue who are there for you when for whatever reason things go wrong and you need help be it as an owner or a breeder, if you produce a cross breed litter then your only option is the RSPCA or mix breed rescue which currently are inundated with dogs so much so that many have a waiting list for dogs to come in. Many are PTS. There is no breed support the two involved will not touch for the vast majority a cross breed as they have many pedigrees needing their limited funds.

The second thing is that these days you can no longer just breed and run when the pups are of an age to sell there can be comeback from the owners of your puppies long into their old age so that could be 15 years of repercussions both personal and financial from breeding a single litter :eek:

It really isn't worth it. If anyone does have a crossbred litter and accidents do happen then register them with the KC under the Activity Register and Microchip before they leave you at least then you have taken some responsibility for the animals that you produce.
 
Alec Swan said:
Today is the 1st. of August (see the bold print above), point one, and point two, this is another post of yours from the 24th. of May.

Tell me something, is it just me, or is this all a work of fiction? Are these two dogs one and the same? I'm a little confused, explain to me.

Finally, if your planning on a career as a dog breeder, I'd give up now, you'll be happier, and so will your dogs. ;)

Alec.
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THIS ^^^^
Also I have not seen 1 NASTY comment as suggest by someone maybe meandmyself, I see some very good questions aswell as answers. Back Yard Breeders need as much advice as they can get so keep it coming to the OP.

If the other Back Yard Breeder asks for her vet bills to be paid be sure you both claim it back on your TAX RETURN.;)
 
So what do you do if you actually do prefer mongrels? Or feel that paying the cost of a small mortgage for a dog is unacceptable? Why can't there be a middle ground, where mongrel types are bred as pets, but under some sort of regulated conditions that ensure their welfare and prevent too many litters per year from being bred? Say where would-be breeders have to have their dogs assessed for health and temperament and then if deemed suitable they get assigned onto a waiting list for when they can breed a litter.

Maybe no one should be allowed to breed any more dogs at all until all the ones that already exist have homes...
 
Arizahn said:
So what do you do if you actually do prefer mongrels? Or feel that paying the cost of a small mortgage for a dog is unacceptable?
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Well you wouldn't one of these crossbreeds as they often want more than the asking price of a pedigree to go withe the made up name. :rolleyes:

As for not breeding till all dogs have a home that's not very practical.:rolleyes:
 
Arizahn said:
Or feel that paying the cost of a small mortgage for a dog is unacceptable?
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My young dog was the product of two dogs which have competed at national and world level. Every dog in first three gens has highest working qualification and and every dog in five gens has low-scoring hips and elbows.
He is also a pet by the way, he is lying on the hearthrug snoozing as I type.
He was home reared with kids, dogs and horses.
He cost me approx £390 sterling at 14 weeks with quite a lot of foundation clicker training, socialisation and his toilet training done, registered, microchipped, vacced etc.

I have just Googled 'westiepoo pups for sale' and have got pups ranging from £350-£600.
Equally I have Googled 'German Shepherd pups for sale' and got unknown breeding and the pups are being sold for £400-£850.

I'd rather reward people who put work into their breeding (crossbreeds or otherwise) than hand out my money to people who reverse any old bitch into any old dog for the purposes of making cash.

Each to their own, though...
 
Arizahn said:
So what do you do if you actually do prefer mongrels? Or feel that paying the cost of a small mortgage for a dog is unacceptable? Why can't there be a middle ground, where mongrel types are bred as pets, but under some sort of regulated conditions that ensure their welfare and prevent too many litters per year from being bred? Say where would-be breeders have to have their dogs assessed for health and temperament and then if deemed suitable they get assigned onto a waiting list for when they can breed a litter.

Maybe no one should be allowed to breed any more dogs at all until all the ones that already exist have homes...
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If you prefer a mongrel go to a rescue, we have plenty mongrels and the self and same ones (handed to us) that where bred and sold for £600 + with a fashionable name are placed on our site as a cross breed and we ask a donation of £150 and they are neutered, vaccinated, chipped and insured with lifetime back up:)
There are still plenty or irrisponsible folk allowing their dogs to breed simply because they "apparently cannot afford" to neuter so they get banged up by the dog next door, they are as untested as the "designer ones" at half the price and are actually sold as mongrels.
 
CaveCanem said:
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I'd rather reward people who put work into their breeding (crossbreeds or otherwise) than hand out my money to people who reverse any old bitch into any old dog for the purposes of making cash.

Each to their own, though...
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As good an AAD post as one will read, to date.

Every single pedigree dog is a cross breed, it's just the planning that takes place, which separates success from disaster.

Alec.
 
I love the fact that no one likes my suggestion of a properly run register for breeding non pedigrees, and that apparently stopping breeding whilst we have more dogs than homes isn't practical:rolleyes:

Small mortgage comment refers to those selling whatever sort of dog for several thousand pounds, as opposed to several hundred. Anyone run into those sort of folk lately? Ridiculous...

And sorry, but I wouldn't take on another rescue, or certainly not an adult. I've been lied to in the past about very serious health and behaviour issues:(I'd far rather take my chances with a pup, but even then would be wary of a rescue. Too many bad memories. Dog in question should not have been rehomed - it was dangerous to itself and others.

Fire away, I've given you some more fuel...
 
The register is not a bad idea but the KC can't even seem to crack down on the wheeler-dealers of pedigrees......

Breeding moratoriums have been mentioned on here before. I think it is worth consideration, actually. There would obviously have to be some sort of exemptions for things like working dogs, rare/at risk breeds etc.

And yes, I saw unregistered Maltese pups in the papers for £1200 once.
 
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