Winter regionals/petplan

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Can I just get this straight in my head.
If you enter winter regionals you can't enter petplan [at same level or lower] next year. As they are both in the same year.
But can enter dressage to music regional at novice and enter petplan next year.
Hope that is as clear as mud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Not quite sure what you mean, but heres what you can do:

- If you have qualified for the petplan finals/second round you cant do the summer regionals at the same level in the same year (you do one or the other)

- You can however go on to qualify for the winter regionals, and subsequently go to the Winters via the regional route aswell as the petplan one.

- Music classes are totally separate (providing you are within points limit obviously!).

So theoretically you could go to the Winters and do the NFS Final, the petplan Novice open/restricted final and the Novice Restricted/open championship.

No you cant enter the petplan at the same level as you get to the winters at. So if you went to the winters in the novice restricted, you can do the novice petplan restricted, however you could do the novice open petplan (i think!)
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This is tough.
We have qualified petplan champ for next spring.[nov. rest
We have qualified for winter regional at prelim and nov rest.
We will do prelim winter regional but if we enter novice at winter regional does that mean we cannot do petplan area next summer at novice
 
I've always known dressage was a tad complicated but OMG. I reckon you lot need a degree to work out if you're eligible for a class let alone going there and winning. Respect!
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You cant do the petplan area next summer at Novice again anyways if you come in the top 10 (or is it 15) at the Finals.

Doing the Novice Winter regional dosent affect it, its something to do with your Petplan placing at the final which will affect it.

I shall go and have a quick look at the rule book
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Ok, here goes:

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Combinations competing at summer/winter regional championships will not be eligiable for any AF at that level or below in that year with the exception of Music Freestyle classes where they will LOOSE their eligibilty to compete in AFs if they compete at the Winter Championships or Wellington Championships

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Also, its top 10 placing - so if you come in the top 10 in the final you are not eligiable for that level again on that horse.
 
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if you dont get through to the finals (via the regionals) and then placed in the top 10 at the finals then yes!

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and you can keep doing it year after year as long as you stay within the points limits and dont come in the top 10 at the nationals.

i went to the winter semi's 3 years running at novice restricted level as due to being away at uni i never managed to get our elem work good enough for competition.
 
I emailed them about this...

You can do the Petplan Final (qualifiers held in 2007), and the Winter Regionals as they are held in 2008... hope that helps
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I'm not sure the top 10 placing rule counts at the AF finals as the rules stand at the moment.

It says in the rule book the top 10 with a score of 65% or more in the National Championships at Prelim or Restricted Novice or Elementary.

Although the AF final runs along side the winter champs it doesn't strictly qualify as a National Championship proper. I would be interested to get an official opinion on that as that's just my interpretation of the rules.

The top 10 rule also only prevents you from qualifying for the Nationals at restricted in the future but does not stop you qualifying at the same level but as an open rider.

You are definately right though that if you do the winter regionals 2008 you cannot do the AF at the same level or lower (open or restricted) on the same horse in 2008.
 
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I emailed them about this...

You can do the Petplan Final (qualifiers held in 2007), and the Winter Regionals as they are held in 2008... hope that helps
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yes, you definitely can do that as it's what i did in 2006. i did the winter semi's in Feb at Novice Restricted, then the AF Finals at Solihull in April, also at Novice Restricted - no probs with that.
 
Oh dear - talk about a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!



To answer the original question. If a rider competes in the Winter Regionals in the non music classes they may not compete in Area Festivals later that year at the same level or below. So carthorse is correct there.

Also correct that a rider can do the Winter Music Regionals and still be eligible for AFs - because it is much easier to get to the Music Regionals as qualificaitons go to 3rd place and pass down. However, competing in a music class at the Winter Championship in April will put a rider out of AFs as above.

Clear so far?

Now - PG, you are very confused indeed.

"- If you have qualified for the petplan finals/second round you cant do the summer regionals at the same level in the same year (you do one or the other)"

Where on earth did you get that from? Of course you can do the Petplan Champs in April and then the following Summer Regionals. Frankly my head is spinning trying to work out what you think you can do. So, rather than try and untangle it - here is what you can do starting from this point in the year.

Competing in an Area Festival in the last few months and qualifying for the Petplan Championships in April has absolutely no effect on anything else you may want to do at any level.

Riders who have qualified for the Petplan Champs and then for the upcoming Winter Regionals at any level can do them. If that rider then qualifies for the Winter Championships as well as the Petplan Championships, they can do both, again regardless of level.

Horse/rider combinations who compete at the Winter Regionals in non music classes, or in the Summer Regionals, may not compete in Area Festivals in 2008 at the same level or below. However, the rider may compete on a different horse as the rule only applies to combinations.

The "top ten"rule applies to Restricted Riders transferring to Open and, as JLav says, was modified last year to take the percentage into account as well as the placing. Top 10 with 65%+ Prelim - Elem and top 5 with 66%+ for Medium.

So, if a rider comes in the top 10 with 67% in Nov Rest at the Winters, that doesn't stop them doing Novice for the Summer regionals, but they must compete in the Open section.

Finally, to answer carthorse's second question - as that's another head that must be spinning

"if we enter novice at winter regional does that mean we cannot do petplan area next summer at novice "

Correct.
 
Thank you Troi,I was hoping you would answer.We will stick with prelim at regionals and do petplan again next year in novice.
It is confusing but at least you don't mind answering our endless stupid questions Thanks
 
That is why I sent an email to BD... there seemed to be contradictory beliefs when I asked on here. I got a lovely email back with the hour explaining everything to me
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What is now worrying me is that you and I are in the same class for the Novice Restricted at the Petplan Finals
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Think I might just do the Prelim
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It is not rude to tell someone that they are confused when they clearly are.

You may very well have meant to say that, but you didn't - you said almost precisely the opposite. Your opening comment stated

"If you have qualified for the petplan finals/second round you cant do the summer regionals at the same level in the same year (you do one or the other)"

Which is completely untrue as per my explanation above, and hugely misleading to those reading your comments.

If you're going to make statements regarding rules and requirements, then make sure you get them right.
 
I have to say, I think BD dread opening my emails because I am always asking a question...
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But so far they have been excellent in answering them. Hopefully, when I have had a bit more experience I will be a little more knowledgable and not bombard them with questions as much
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Don't be worried about competing against us [I know it was a joke]
We don't have any chance at regionals at novice because the standard is amazing, so we are just going to stick with prelim regionals [which means we can't do petplan] and carry on with petplan at novice next year.
It is all just a judges opinion and some love us and some don't. Two particular 'friends' who are judges seem to put us first or second in novice but we always get just under 65% ,if they were the only judges in the country then very few would qualify. Just resigned to it when we see they are judging
 
Troi, does the 'top 10 rule' only apply to the winter/summer champs proper or would a top 10 AF Final placing also count ie if a group 7 rider finished in the top 10 at the AF final with more than 65% would that prevent them doing AF finals in the future at restricted level either on the same, or a different, horse?

I've always assumed that only the actual winter/national championships are relevant to that rule but must admit that is only my interpretation of the rulebook.
 
The top ten/five ruling on moving from Restricted to Open only applies to The Winter Championships and National Championships, not the AF Finals, now the Petplan Equine Championships.

To get a good scoring top 10 placing at the two main line championships is a considerable achievement and shows that the rider is highly competent at that level and should move to the Open section.

At present it is felt that the this shouldn't apply to the AF Championship, but that may change in the future if the standards continue to rise.

The ruling does explicitly state National/Winter Championships, but the confusion can arise as some competitors say that they have competed in the Winter Championships when they have, in fact, competed at the AF Finals.

Of course, if a restricted rider wanted to claim a placing at the Winters, and also take the upgrade as a result, I'm sure that could be arranged!
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