With people like this why would anyone want to sell horses for a living??

rcm_73

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Cut a long story short, someone recently came to view a pony I had put up for sale, travelled a fair way and spent approx 3 hours at my place viewing him in which time they got to see him being ridden on the flat and over a jump, then rode him themselves on the flat and over a jump and were then escorted out on a short hack. They saw him being caught, groomed and tacked up, they untacked him themselves and put his rug back on. Seemed in a bit of a rush to buy something, I even said you can come back try him again if you want as can hire a menage at the weekend but it was no no we want him, he seems like just what we've been looking for to do games and mini novice type jumping. So price haggled, imo they got a good price (1200) for a pony that has done all PC incl camp with tack, rugs AND delivered over 100 miles away. Pony was sold as a 13.2 10 y.o. as he was passported as a 10 y.o. and sold to us as a 13.2 and buyer was specifically told he didn't have a LHC and was also offered to have him vetted which she declined.

Anyway few days after I dropped him off I start getting messages via Facebook (didnt even pick up the phone to speak to me) saying she has had her vet out and the pony is 20 yrs old and 14hh. So apparently got bloods done and the next week the same vet aged him as 15 off his bloods, asked her to send me the reports as his passport was signed off by a vet (he is 10 not 15 or 20) but she said there was 'no point' in sending me the report unless I was giving her money back first. Next thing she says is that she is more bothered that her vet said he is 14hh not 13.2, obviously without a LHC the height is only ever an estimate but in my mind the pony is never 14h having a cob with a LHC of 14.1 that towers above him! Anyway apparently I am liable for false advertising and would be interested to hear any similar stories as there are loads of horses and ponies out there on websites without LHC's, so if I am liable does this mean we have to specifically state the height is a guesstimate on every single advert??!!
 

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Well in my oppinion, they came to view the pony, they had the opportunity to measure him if they so desired...why the issue with the 2 " any way......When was the passport issued?

They declined to have him vetted, I haven't had any experiences but it all sounds wrong to me.
 

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A vetting wouldn't have confirmed his height. I would say as a private sale its her problem and 'buyer beware'. She would have to prove you knew he was older than passported age and bigger.

She's trying it on, words take a hike spring to mind :)
 
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Enless a pony has a LHC then the hight is an estimate even if it is written in the passport as passport issuers dont measure they just estimate. and you do not have to give them there money back.
How can anyone garentee a hight when even people that measure ponys and issue LHC for ponys to jump at an international level manage to get 15.0h horses in as 148cm ponys!
your customers are dicks and obviously just trouble makers!!!
 

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THey had the opportunity to have him vetted, I don't see how they have any comeback. But would you want your pony to be with someone like that? I'd get it back and charge them transport.
 

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Can you call their bluff and say no problem, she can have her money back if she delivers him back to you in the next week? A ten year old pc pony is worth more than 1200 round here.

I knew a car trader whoo sold a car to a chap who then rang up a few days later and complained, saying his milkman (always an expert on cars) had said it was overpriced. He was so furious that the **** would believe his milkman, that he went to the man's house and shoved the money in his hands, demanded the keys and drove off in the car. Later sold the car for a lot more. Very satisfying :)
 

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Yes I think big time trouble-maker, the last pony they bought I believe got sent back because it 'kept going lame'. I did question how can you age off bloods, she said liver, kidney function so what happens when for example a 5 yo horse is exposed to ragwort and has liver damage compared to a 5 yo horse that has had no exposure? How would that correspond to age? She couldn't answer and won't send any reports, I'm inclined to think that she rushed into it and made a wrong decision and is now looking for excuses. I would like to take the pony back but have since acquired the bigger replacement that my daughter needed so have no room and could not afford to give her all the money back, besides that she is saying she doesn't want to send him back but wants to claim for false advertising!! Thanks all, will try the BHS line as am a RC member so should be able to?
 

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ah seen this before, and had some twit try it on with me, I garentee you what she wants is the pony for less money. very clever trick a lot of people do it.

ask her out right what she wants. then have the pleasure of laughing in her face and never speaking to her again.
 

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False advertising my foot - she is def trying it on! Yes if you are part of a riding club you should be covered on free legal advice so ring BHS in the morning, and write down everything they say so you can inform her "My solicitor says...". If the passport says 10 & 13.2, then surely it is the issuing passport agency and the vet who signed it who are strictly speaking liable anyway, so she can try suing them!

She is trying to frighten you in to giving her some money off. Sounds like a rather nasty person. I doubt she has a leg to stand on tbh and hopefully BHS will say that. Keep us informed!
 

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What a silly cow! Honestly, some buyers are just beyond belief! I would go back to her tell her you cannot age a pony from taking bloods and also taht a vet is NOT a qualified person to age a pony by its teeth. Tell he if she gets a report from a qualified EDT advising the horse is much older than stated THEN you will start to take her seriously.

This is a case of buyer beware. They were fools not having it vetted, certainly based on their so called past experience of a horse that kept going lame. You'd think they'd be really OTT on double checking things for their next purchase. She should ahve spent the money on haing it vetted BEFORE purchase as opposed to wasting her money afterwards (I suspect she may not have even had a vet look at it anyway, more lilely just a 'friend'/fellow livery or something who, in their educated opinion feels the horse is older and bigger)

Tell her to take a running jump! :)
 

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.......hmm, wonder if I can go back in a few years time to the people I bought my youngster from and claim from them as they said he was to make 16hh but it certainly looks like he's going to be bigger (stands 15.1 and a bit at 18mths). Surely that's false advertising...............!

Buying horses, selling horse it's a pain in the backside!!!
 

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Stupid bloody cow. Hasnt she heard of the words 'Caveat Emptor', ie Buyer Beware. As you are obviously not a dealer, you are not governed by the Sale of Goods Act etc. From what you have said you acted entirely in good faith.

Tell the stupid woman to go and take a huge hike. She had plenty of opportunity to have the horse vetted, she declined. I had the same thing happen to me when we sold Mini TX's last pony. We had him a year, sold him on as a PC all rounder, even though he was a J A pony, who had been terribly over-faced before we bought him. We didnt sj him purely, he went BE and he was just as over-faced with that and blew up and we were honest with the buyers. We sold in and delivered him to the new owners within 48 hours of them trying him, with them relying on our 5 stage vetting done 12 months before by our vet. Witin a month the new owner was on the phone as the poor pony had kissing spines - he didnt show any symptons with us at all the poor little boy. Anyway, they wanted a refund and to return pony. I stood my ground as they did not have a vetting and we did not in any way mislead them, being honest that we didnt want him doing anything too pressurised. I got all that crap on Facebook etc, and it was not nice. Stick to your guns, like you I did nothing wrong. If they start threatening legal action then the onus of proof is well and truly on them.
 

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I wouldn't worry. It sounds like they are just trying to find excuses to get their money back. They chose not to get him vetted so anything they find out after they have bought the pony is their fault. Also, they should have had him measured for an LHC if it was important that the pony was exactly 13.2hh.
 

traceyann

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Yes im claiming false advertising as well then my 15 hand three year old i was told only make 15.2 he now 16.2 do you think i have a case the girl is stupid tell her to go and do one and dont offer her any money i think you sold this pony way under price she should count her self lucky and no you cant age a horse though bloods how thick does she think you are sorry i get so angry over time wasters she should have got it vetted
 
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Poor you! If the precise size was so important, then it was in the buyers interest to satisfy themselves by measuring the pony before they bought him.

I have not heard of vets being able to age a horse by its blood? Is this a new practice? Can they really do this?
The only thing I can think of, and your buyer might be getting totally confused with what the vet is saying, is that perhaps the vets found a deficiency from the blood samples, which would perhaps be more common in an older horse, but I wouldn't have thought it possible to be able to actually state the horses age from this.

TBH I don't think your buyer has a leg to stand on. If she declined to have the pony vetted before buying then she's an idiot and no one will take her complaints seriously based on that fact.
 

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Any vet will tell you it is very difficult to age a horse with any accuracy once they have their perminant teeth. As to its, height you sold it beleaving it was 13.2 so if you are a private seller she has little or no comeback as she did not have a vetting. Its also such a small amount of money would it be worth the effort of taking you to the small claims court.
If the pony is as good as you say it is its worth nearer £2000
 

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I would write to her by signed for letter asking for the name of the vet who advised her the pony was older saying your own vet wishes to discuss it with him. That way if she's lying she won't produce the name or number.
I think as she had ample opportunity to have it vetted/measured before buying it she has very little strength in her arguement to take it back.
I suspect this is a try on...
 

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Poor you!

i bet its very tempting just to facebook back telling her to 'bog off' but i think a letter after speaking to the BHS legal team would be the best shout.

what horrible people. imagine trying to get money out of people when they have sold you a lovley horse.

to real horsey people, a good pony for a child is priceless. they should be grateful they got the pony so cheap never mind trying to scam you!
 

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I don't think ANY horse or pony I've ever bought has been the height it was advertised at......unless you take a stick and measure yourself then its down to you.

Also.....you CANNOT age a horse ( or a person, for that matter) by bloods alone....as you say, liver damage, renal failure etc can all make someone/something appear to be older and frankly, teeth are just a guestimate as well.

I think they are trying it on with you TBH.....
 

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Tell her that you obviously made a mistake with your pricing given that he is 2inches bigger and want another £500 for him! How ridiculous, I wouldn't waste another second worrying about this, tell the woman to bog off, she has absolutely no comeback on you!
 
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