Wits end with young pony :(

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I am a regular forum user posting under a new account about this for now until we are ready to share.



A year ago we bought a 4 year old sec b for my daughter to move on to. The pony had been lightly backed as a 3 year old, worked all last summer and taken to a few clinics etc. Pony passed a basic vetting and arrived looking a million dollars, fit and ready to go.

Not long after arriving the pony dropped weight dramatically and started looking poor, despite being on the same feed etc as the previous home. We were told he had been wormed prior to coming to us but we did a count that came back very high and after worming he passed not only redworms but the biggest tapeworm segments Ive ever seen. We also found out he had an infected mouth with big diastemas on the bottom where adult teeth hadn’t come through. (in retrospect we should have done bloods at this stage but it seemed like all the signs for the condition loss were explained by the worm burden/teeth). Over winter we continued to try and build muscle, had the physio out, made to measure saddle fitted and had a specialist dental vet come out and ridden wise this pony was always 100% willing, forward, improving and keen to please. **There was an incident when the pony slipped on the road when a bird scared him and he went down behind and skinned his hind fetlocks. He was however checked out sound after this but it’s worth noting for later on. The weight started to come on nicely and the pony was out doing dressage and instructors were all very happy, other than the canter lead was very difficult to pick up in one direction. He would pop into canter in a beautifully balanced counter canter! No bunny hopping or going disunited, just the wrong leg. I personally was never 100% sure he was actually unlevel behind but Im the first to admit I dont have a great eye for soundness unless it's bleedin obvious, although other more experienced friends thought he was definitely lame behind.. the multiple ortho vets that saw him said if anything he was just weak behind but not unsound.

Long story short , after an ortho work up we sent the pony to the vet hospital for a full body bone scan and assessment. Infuriatingly, absolutely nothing came back but they DID (almost unheard of via a bone scan) find a very enlarged liver. This resulted in biopsies and lots of other tests which found raised enzymes but no cause for it and the conclusion was that it had been a virus or caused by the worm damage, All the bloods are now clear.



The pony is now back in ridden work and the canter lead is still dodgy but we can get it. He has muscled up so well but is still very weak behind and despite the vet school not finding anything, to me and our physio, he still hasn't improved behind. The physio had a really good work up with him last week and got a massive explosive reaction when pressing into the hip area. I’m now really at a loss as Ive maxed out the insurance and nothing was found. The physio has said that sometimes issues deep in the hip join or pelvis are hard to see on scans and xrays and I certainly cant afford any more investigations. The physio suggested getting him buted and pain free and doing daily groundwork exercises such as cross overs over raised poles to try and strengthen the hip area however having previously spoken to my vet, I suspect this isn’t going to be a great idea due to the previous liver issues! (awaiting a call back!)

My gut is now starting to tell me I might have a very expensive field ornament on my hands as although he is very sweet and not objecting under saddle, he clearly isn’t fit to be ridden. He has had so many issues and been such a trooper throughout, Im wondering now if even having fixed everything else, there is a residual pelvic issue from the fall . He is such a bright, young pony, it’s just heartbreaking as he is desperate to do a job. In many ways posting this is helping me sort through my feelings but Id grateful to hear other opinions when reading the straight facts and no emotional attachment is blurring the lines so to speak. Thanks for reading.
 

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They are heart breakers - sending some positive hugs.

I haven't much to add I'm afraid but didn't want to read and run.

Would you be in a position to turn him away for 6 months and see how he comes back into work in the spring? He's still relatively young so he may come right with a bit of time/rest. Sometimes these twisty/odd injuries take a little while to settle. I know Dr Green is an old fashioned way of looking at things but time sometimes does heal.

Others might have had a similar experience and recognise the reaction you got to the physio work.
 

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I'm not sure I'd give up just yet.

We had an ex polo pony come through my old yard who had definitely had 'something' happen in that area - vet guessed at a high speed crash during a game - because the point of hip was flattened. From a flatwork perspective and hacking the mare did fine. We never jumped her and there were no pain indicators so I'm guessing whatever had happened had healed.

Turning away over winter and seeing where you are in Spring is an option if you can.

Have you tried doing the groundwork exercises without bute? There's a time and place for it, but I think working without it means you don't accidentally overstep what their bodies can do. Ligaments, tendons, muscles, fascia all take a long time to heal.
 

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I know it's difficult to see the pelvis, SI etc on an xray but I'm surprised that a problem wouldn't show up on a bone scan, but if there's pain at the hip joint then this isn't normal and it's something that you can give the vet as a starting point to look into if you decide to go back to the vets. I know a young horse who had a suspected pelvic injury (no bone scan) and owner was advised to turn away for a year. The horse did come back into work, mainly just hacking but the horse may have been able to do more if required.

If you look at the muscle development on the hindquarters does it look symmetrical. Sometimes it's easier to see a difference looking down eg from a mounting block, same with the shoulder development. I had one who was pronounced sound by vet, trainer, farrier but turned out to have a bilateral problem, one hind leg marginally worse than the other and over time the muscle development became asymmetrical.

I don't think you should right off a young horse at this point, an unidentified soft tissue injury from the fall could take a year to fully recover but I also wouldn't bute up and work the horse with an undiagnosed problem.
 

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I can understand why you're feeling despondent after all that.
But I completely agree as above, definitely not time to write him off yet.
He's still only 5 and his pelvis and vertebrae are only just finishing their skeletal development about now, which could in itself be the reason for the weakness.
If he were mine I'd make the most of the time of year and give him the winter off with lots of non work attention. Take photos of him now from all angles for comparison in the spring.
Then just bring him back very slowly and see.

It's infuriating to not know why but you've had a good sensible work up done and sometimes we never get the answer.
It doesn't mean time rest and patience can't work a little magic though 🤞
 

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just re the bute/liver issues. F had an unexplained liver episode shortly after moving him - wouldn't be able to say exactly how long it lasted as we tested twice more and it dropped but was never totally normal but symptoms resolved so we just went with it. I thought this would mean we'd be really stuck if we needed to bute in future, he then did 2 years on daily bute without an issue. (obviously he was older, he wasn't himself off the bute and figured if it did upset everything we'd just call it a day earlier but it's obviously not always a problem).
 

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His still only 5 and has been quite poorly with the liver problem and the falling over, I would be inclined to just give him some time off or just take it easy and as he fully matures he will probably just get stronger in time.

Some horses are only just being backed at 5 his already done quite a bit and been unwell I wouldn't be giving up on him.
 

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Poor pony. If he was mine I'd be turning him out for 18 months 24/7unrugged. Let him grow and mature. Then I'd bring him in and start leading him out, developing onto long reining and see how it goes from there. Time and Dr green are great healers.
 
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