Woman killed by dog

The photo in the Sunday Mail looks like a big houndy sort of thing,the other pics googled look like a docked big Am Bulldog.So ,I have mailed a great friend of mine who is a proff. dog and wildlife photographer in Holland ,and hope she can provide a reliable picture.Bet though it is one of these big bandog types,the owner did grow weed ,so obviously an intimidating dog would be advantagious to him.
Poor woman ..but I do so pity these poor dogs bred without a rat`s chance of a good family life.
 
Wasn't the Bandog an old extinct mediaeval thing or did I just make that up? Like a Talbot. Died out years ago.
I think read it in a book :p

As you say EK maybe a horrible mish-mash of mastiff breeds.
 
It was indeed CC..but some muppets have re-created these dogs in the last decade or so,for "protection" purposes,sometimes ads appear in the Countrymans,and the likes of Loot no doubt. Fact is that anyone can buy one,bait it up as these idiots do ..and there you have it,a nice dog turned into a killing machine with a muppet on the end of its lead.
The London suburbs are not the right environment,but if you`re growing cannabis such an animal is an assett to your business.
Latest import I have seen is the "bullycutter",a huge thing which looks like a blend of bull terrier/am. bulldog/great dane and dogo argentino. Currantly it is eight months old and a big sloppy puppy;they are used for fighting and guarding in Pakistan.Does this country NEED dogs like this in our crowded little island?? Already it`s owner has imported three previously,so along with Boerboel this could be the next "status" protection dog.
Frightening is what I think..would`nt want to be a dog warden around these giants thanks!
 
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Makes me a bit ill that people are describing these dogs as 'protection dogs' - it kind of sullies that word, when there are people who train dogs for years and years to be real 'protection dogs' either on the streets, in the home or on the sporting field - a thinking dog, a discretionary dog, a confident dog, that is under full control and respects the handler. A hundred-year tradition of breed selection.

Not a scud missile on the end of a lead that listens to no one and is too big and strong to deal with if it does decide to turn :(
 
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i have a Belgium mastiff pup, an american bulldog and 2 staffordshire bull terriers i didnt buy them for status i bought them because i love the breeds. they are difficult to train sometimes but i have taken all of mine to classes ect and all of them i trust 100% with my family, ect and with kids. they are protective of the house as that is what they are bred for. (along with fighting) they will bark if someone knocks on the door. they are very well trained and because they are i am comfortable with them. if they ever even thought about biting someone then i would not hesitate to pts. i wouldnt risk anyones safety for the sake of a dog even though i love them, i would not forgive myself if i had an aggressive dog and it bit somebody, or worse!

that man knew the dog was aggressive and he didnt do anything about it, and unfortunately his pig headed "im hard, and look at my dog " attitude cost someone there life. it is such a shame. it is not always the owners fault, as said somewhere before on here they can be nasty naturally. but i will go out on a limb and say i am pretty sure this time it IS down to the owner and his wanna be status drug dealer. xx
 
Have you more pics of Belgian mastiffs? Perhaps you should supply the press with some,as the one supposed pic of one looked like a plott houndxbloodhound. Who is breeding these in this country?
 
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Have you more pics of Belgian mastiffs? Perhaps you should supply the press with some,as the one supposed pic of one looked like a plott houndxbloodhound. Who is breeding these in this country?
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they are a quiet rare breed and we spent almost 5 months finding one in the uk. we had to travel all the way to near Cornwall to buy him.
he is only about 4 months old at the moment. we did ALOT of research before we bought him and have a life time of advice from his breeder if we ever need it, and she has been happy to help with anything we have asked her.
i think it must have been crossed with something as they do look very mastiffy (because they are lol) and it is such a shame people get these dogs to look good.

(QUOTE) The original Belgian Mastiff was a hardy working breed that pulled carts for poorer Belgians who could not afford to buy horses. While the Belgian Mastiff wasn’t considered to be particularly friendly, he was known for his loving, loyal, and protective disposition. While the breed was sometimes vicious towards strangers, the Belgian mastiff was not an all-around aggressive dog. They were calm, obedient, and took their jobs very seriously.

they are said to be extinct although not proven and are being re-bred to get the old looks and genes back from the old dog breeds they used to make them, ours and other like are as close as they have got at the moment. as it is said above they are protective ect and you have to be very aware of that if you want to own one, but that also goes for our american bulldog. it also goes for yorkshire terriers jack russels and other breeds of dog that can be aggressive. i no lots of little dogs that have attacked people but you dont hear about it on the news because they have not killed anyone . there is a girl on our street who got attacked by 2 jack russels and she had to have skin grafts on her face, arms, chest and legs and very nearly died as the dogs really went to town on her. the dogs were pts i have to point out. (although not straight away) and this poor girl is scared for life and is afraid of dogs.
sorry for rabbiting on, but it makes me a little mad about "dangerous dogs ect" when 8 times out of 10 people just cant handle the dog and some are provoked, but some are naturally more aggressive. and i feel that more people should research the breed before buying whatever dog and make sure they can cope and be aware of there needs ect and also understand there faults and other factors such as breed history. i read a post on another forum saying all "bull types" should be pts as they all heve the potential to "turn". that is B*******ks every dog has potential to turn no matter what breed. it is just a shame you get little willied num nuts trying to act big and hard with so called "status" dogs that make things worse.

idea: shoot all the drug dealers then some of the problem would be solved!
 
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Yorkshire Dumpling, Your pup looks lovely. I dont Know much about the breed, but i would be very carefull about letting a child handle a pup the way it looks in your photo. large breeds can have all sorts of joint problems and can be easily hurt at that age. No offence ment but the pup looks very uncomfy in your photo with the child.
 
Cute pup & do teach that child the correct way to handle it.
Elbow displaysia is easier to avoid than to fix.
What cross is it?

It cannot be a Belgian mastiff as the Belgian kennel club, (part of the FCI) has declared the breed extinct. The blue colouration is a recessive dilute that was never seen in the original breed and must have come from both parents.

In the process of recreating a breed the early generations are not of that breed and will remain crosses for several generations. Which breeds are being used in the process?
 
He is absolutly stunning! I think all that you've said today is spot on! Your puppy is beautiful and all your dogs look in immaculate condition your am bulldog is gorgeous! did you meet the mastiffs parents? And what's his name?

But no, I think I your knowledgable and know what your getting into then you sound like a brilliant dog owner. There are a number of people in this forum with Rottweilers; I love them but there have been quite a high Number of attacks by these in the last few years, down to bad ownership etc. A guard dog is always going to have the potential of aggression to strangers as with any other dog that's bred with any need for aggression.
 
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Yorkshire Dumpling, Your pup looks lovely. I dont Know much about the breed, but i would be very carefull about letting a child handle a pup the way it looks in your photo. large breeds can have all sorts of joint problems and can be easily hurt at that age. No offence ment but the pup looks very uncomfy in your photo with the child.
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he doesnt hold him like that all the time he just wanted a pic of the new member of family and boys will be boys , he wanted to prove he could pick him up. lol. he has had his eyes, hips and back checked and all are ok so far. was worried about his hips but our vet was fab and said he is ok. no offence taken lol my brood are a bit rough and ready (all boys) xx
 
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Cute pup & do teach that child the correct way to handle it.
Elbow displaysia is easier to avoid than to fix.
What cross is it?

It cannot be a Belgian mastiff as the Belgian kennel club, (part of the FCI) has declared the breed extinct. The blue colouration is a recessive dilute that was never seen in the original breed and must have come from both parents.

In the process of recreating a breed the early generations are not of that breed and will remain crosses for several generations. Which breeds are being used in the process?
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no he is not a "real one" see my comment somewhere on there. he is english mastiff x cane Corso (mum)x great dane cross with Dogue de Bordeaux(dad). as they think (and opinions do vary) that this is the nearest to re-creating the breed. no the colour is a dilute from the cane corso or the great dane. i liked him the best (best temp) regardless of his colour. :) as i said before i love the breed type and did alot of info hunting before i even thought about going to look at him. and i wouldnt change him for the world...my american bull on the other hand :D
 
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He is absolutly stunning! I think all that you've said today is spot on! Your puppy is beautiful and all your dogs look in immaculate condition your am bulldog is gorgeous! did you meet the mastiffs parents? And what's his name?

But no, I think I your knowledgable and know what your getting into then you sound like a brilliant dog owner. There are a number of people in this forum with Rottweilers; I love them but there have been quite a high Number of attacks by these in the last few years, down to bad ownership etc. A guard dog is always going to have the potential of aggression to strangers as with any other dog that's bred with any need for aggression.
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thank you he is called blue (original i no!):D my american bull is called lilly and the staffs are marci and poz lol
out of all of them the american bull has been the hardest to train they need a VERY firm hand all the time and she used to fight discipline all the time (she fab now tho)
i met both parents and all the other pups they had left i went and visited about 6 times before i decided to buy him and got to know the breeders very well (have to point out not breeder breeders they just have a passion)
 
s4sugar said:
Did you see the [parent's hip & elbow xrays?

Are you familiar with canine dilute alopecia?
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yes we contacted their vet who was more than happy to help us
and yes we are very aware of it, it is most common in dogs like Dobermans i think it is around 90% but can be seen in great danes ect too
we asked the breeder and contacted there vet to make sure that both parents did not have it, and neither did. although i know he may get it, it is less likely if niether parent has it as it is hereditary, we are prepared and know what the signs will be and how it is treated xx
 
Of the many dogs which I've had, certainly two, and possibly a third were capable of killing a human.

I can only imagine what the poor woman must have gone through. Rest in peace, Barbara.

A.
 
Angelbones said:
Having just read the above article it seems the lady died last December but the case has only just come to court / inquest or whatever. That's a sodding long time for her family to wait for some sort of closure :mad:

Or perhaps I've got that wrong?
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No, you're right, she died late last year.
It is not unusual for a case to take years to come to court.

Poor dog, no wonder he was in fight mode, a 124cm dog into a 106cm crate just doesn't go :mad::(.
 
Yep Angelbones, it was last year - it does actually take a while to gather evidence and put cases together, there are a lot of cases in the court system, it isn't like on the telly, these things don't happen overnight, just thought I would update the post with a resolution, if you can call it that.
 
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