Woof Wear Body Cage Exo ....

Think I might get one although may need to resell it once tried as its probably going to be too short - my racesafe needs replacing soon as its looking a bit tatty so will see how it feels.

anyone used theirs with a point two?
 
Kerrilli will know, but I believe you aren't supposed to use these with the P2? As in the P2 simply won't work - it can't inflate inwards as the BP is completely rigid!
 
ecrozier said:
Kerrilli will know, but I believe you aren't supposed to use these with the P2? As in the P2 simply won't work - it can't inflate inwards as the BP is completely rigid!
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You probs could wear a P2 as well, but absolutely no point - as you say, it's rigid!
 
ArcticFox said:
Think I might get one although may need to resell it once tried as its probably going to be too short - my racesafe needs replacing soon as its looking a bit tatty so will see how it feels.

anyone used theirs with a point two?
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I'm not sure if you 'can' use them together but there is no need to use this with a point two if you are worried about a rotational. Im not going to go into the ins and outs as its been done before (and I dont want to get banned ;) ) but the P2 simply will not offer the same protection in the case of a rotational.
 
Zebedee said:
Emma I didn't think you were selfish & I'm really glad you got yours. I was almost at the point of PMing you & offering to get it on your behalf, then you could have just paid me back on Tues.
There's a huge history attached to these with regard to marketing & the PR hatchett job that made sure they were never a commercial success, but in the event of a rotational fall they offer a real level of protection.
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Thank you! I just didnt want it to come across that way!


And thanks to everyone who gave me some feedback on them, just hoping it fits now! :)
 
I don't wear my P2 to protect me from rotational falls - not that I want to start the debate again either - I wear it as additional protection from normal falls

** runs away and hides before I get hammered for owning a P2!***
 
personally (although i am likely to be shouted down) the inflation inward thing is neither here nor there. you are supposed to wear the waiscoat loose so that it has room to inflate although the hit air doesn't need this it inflates outwards.

I think the reason the body cage won't work is that the cage sits off your body so the bag won't hold you when you fall.

not sure really but as I have a P2 I'm not going out to buy a hit air (and having fallen off my p2 I like it!)

Still think the exo price is rather good! Probably get another racesafe though.
 
Could anyone who has got one of these please tell me if the measurements refer to the person or the body protector itself? So if my measurements are equal to or under the given measurements would it fit?

Also, would you recommend it for showjumping or is it only suitable for cross country?
 
Anglebracket said:
Could anyone who has got one of these please tell me if the measurements refer to the person or the body protector itself? So if my measurements are equal to or under the given measurements would it fit?

Also, would you recommend it for showjumping or is it only suitable for cross country?
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The measurements are for the person.
It's suitable for any discipline (I know someone on here whose daughter hacks in hers) but as it is specifically to protect against crush injuries from a rotational, it's aimed more at the xc market I think.
on a really tricky horse i might wear a bp for showjumping but i'd probably wear my Kan for that, as it's lighter.
 
kerilli said:
The measurements are for the person.
It's suitable for any discipline (I know someone on here whose daughter hacks in hers) but as it is specifically to protect against crush injuries from a rotational, it's aimed more at the xc market I think.
on a really tricky horse i might wear a bp for showjumping but i'd probably wear my Kan for that, as it's lighter.
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Thank you for your response. I'll have a look at the Kan. To be honest, I would prefer a lightweight body protector and the exo cage does sound rather heavy (the E-bay offer is such good value though).
 
Mine has just arrived! Just a note to say don't slice through the tape too exhubertantly! I was very careful, but still nicked the bag that the Exo is in. There was no other protective packaging. Didn't catch the bp at all, but I wouldn't like for anyone to slice theirs accidentally.

:)
 
*sticks oar in*

I think they were/are a fantastic idea that should have been taken up and marketed effectively. It's just that, as with the Point Two, I think proper testing should have been carried out. The testing on the exo merely relates to the construction of the conventional part of the body protector, not to the novel cage inside. The testing on the new hybrid Racesafe / Point Two is also only related to the conventional part

I've not witnessed a rotational with an exo. I have been unfortunate enough to witness them with a Point Two - I was so impressed that I wasn't dealing with a dead body that I bought one after the first one. The second fall I saw confirmed my opinions. Having now come off in my own one I find that for an old lady like me it does help to make the fall less damaging. I haven't had a rotational in it, thank goodness.

You wouldn't do any harm wearing a Point Two with an exo, it's just that it's designed to form a rigid cage round your ribcage and spine, but if you have an exo on you already have that rigid cage so all you are doing really is adding some rather ineffective padding - about as soft as a car air bag, and those who've been in a car crash know that they are not the soft fluffy clouds you imagine them to be but more akin to being smacked in the face by a punch bag!

So well done to those who got the exo at this fantastic price - I did look at the link but I am too large in the ribcage for any of the sizes that were offered! I feel sad that they are now being "cleared" as that suggests that the technology has died a death without ever having been given enough of a chance.
 
Dee O'Dorant said:
I think they were/are a fantastic idea that should have been taken up and marketed effectively. It's just that, as with the Point Two, I think proper testing should have been carried out. The testing on the exo merely relates to the construction of the conventional part of the body protector, not to the novel cage inside. The testing on the new hybrid Racesafe / Point Two is also only related to the conventional part
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IIRC they *did* do impact testing on the exo - dropping a weight of 650kg from a height of 2m or something similar - I am sure that used to be in the adverts for them didn't it? Maybe I am imagining that?!

I know when they first came out I saw them on a stand, being demonstrated by someone wearing one with a landrover driven onto their chest - they were chatting quite happily to us about it!
 
Dee O'Dorant said:
*sticks oar in*

I think they were/are a fantastic idea that should have been taken up and marketed effectively. It's just that, as with the Point Two, I think proper testing should have been carried out. The testing on the exo merely relates to the construction of the conventional part of the body protector, not to the novel cage inside. The testing on the new hybrid Racesafe / Point Two is also only related to the conventional part

I've not witnessed a rotational with an exo. I have been unfortunate enough to witness them with a Point Two - I was so impressed that I wasn't dealing with a dead body that I bought one after the first one. The second fall I saw confirmed my opinions. Having now come off in my own one I find that for an old lady like me it does help to make the fall less damaging. I haven't had a rotational in it, thank goodness.

You wouldn't do any harm wearing a Point Two with an exo, it's just that it's designed to form a rigid cage round your ribcage and spine, but if you have an exo on you already have that rigid cage so all you are doing really is adding some rather ineffective padding - about as soft as a car air bag, and those who've been in a car crash know that they are not the soft fluffy clouds you imagine them to be but more akin to being smacked in the face by a punch bag!

So well done to those who got the exo at this fantastic price - I did look at the link but I am too large in the ribcage for any of the sizes that were offered! I feel sad that they are now being "cleared" as that suggests that the technology has died a death without ever having been given enough of a chance.
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The Exo's cage was tested extensively, it wasn't guesswork that made them decide on that alloy! The designer worked out how much a force a falling horse exerts (various heights, speeds etc) and then dropped commensurate weights on it from the requisite height etc. Iirc sandbags were used. Someone lay in one reading a book with the wheel of a vehicle parked on their chest, to prove that it would withstand the weight of a dead horse if necessary.

It isn't certified because there is no certification relating to protection from crush injuries etc, not because it hasn't been tested!
Agreed, the testing only relates to the foam padding, because that is all the certification requires at the moment.

Re: rotationals - I've seen horrible falls with regular bps where the rider has emerged unscathed. I know of people who've been landed on while wearing just a t-shirt and they were fine. It is impossible to say that the bp/air-jacket or whatever prevented crush injuries unless you have a way of testing exactly which forces were exerted (using a crash test dummy, replicating the fall and crush, etc).

Re: air bags in cars cf air jackets. This really isn't the obvious parallel it seems to be. It was explained to me thus:
Car airbags work by DEFLATING to disperse the force of the person hitting them. They inflate incredibly fast and are already deflating (there are lots of tiny holes in them) when you hit them. In the early days of car airbags they killed a lot of people because they stayed too solid for too long, the designers then altered them so they started deflating much faster and the occupant hit a softening bag, not a firm bag. Air under high pressure is HARD (think of a bag of crisps if you squeeze it just before you pop it!)
The airjackets work quite differently.
 
NeilM said:
Any volunteers to do that with a Point 2?




Sorry, I couldn't resist: I'll get me coat :D
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I'd have a go at being driven over wearing a Point 2. I'd want to try it with ramps and over my leg first - but then I'd want ramps if I were going to drive a landrover over you in an exo, just in case!
 
We have of course been round this loop before, I just thought that it was funny that we started out with "There's such a band of people against them" when it has always appear on here that there are FAR more people against the Point 2!

The real issue is that whilst the designers at all the companies have spent a long time choosing materials, devising tests etc nobody knows whether those tests are sufficient. And that's not good news for anyone.

Dropping 650Kg onto one - my big mare has only evented to Novice but at a good fit muscled up build she weighs 635Kg, given that a rotational fall has speed if she lands on me she's going to land with an impact of considerably more than her weight:(

btw, in case you hadn't all spotted it my first post was intended to be supportive of those who had chosen to wear exos - anything that makes riding safer is a good option IMHO. I fail to understand why it has to be made so divisive - I was reacting in part to the statement that there's a big backlash against people wearing them when on here the exo has received positive promotion and the Point Two has been railed against by a number of people. Pretty much the way this thread has demonstrated actually.

I really do wish that all the companies competing in the marke place could have got together with the standards bodies and come up with a definitive test - rather than each designing their own. I understand the exo design - and the Point Two / Hit-Air designs - and as I've said, think it's a shame the product hasn't been promoted well and had far more uptake.
 
Dee O'Dorant said:
We have of course been round this loop before, I just thought that it was funny that we started out with "There's such a band of people against them" when it has always appear on here that there are FAR more people against the Point 2!
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I don't think HHO is a particularly good cross section of, well, anything really! It's a self-selecting sample....

What did your username used to be?
 
Wish I'd seen this thread sooner! I want one.

D1 has an Exo and a Kanteq. She did everything in the Exo before getting the Kan, including bareback, hacking, jumping, hunting, dressage, all on different sizes and types of horses. It's heavy just to hold, but once on it's fine :D

Whilst I as a mother, am more than happy with the level of protection offered by the Kan, any cross-country and daughter will be wearing the Exo. I'm paranoid about rotational falls :rolleyes::cool:

If I remember right: when they came out, the Exo was comparatively expensive. There wasn't a lot of marketing, as there has been, for example, with the P2.
 
Yay, mine has just arrived, thank you to op for bringing the bargain to my attention!

It fits which is a relief as I measured up a little smaller than the size I ordered, but I have to squish it a little to clip myself in and it is comfy on so I'm pleased! It does weigh a tonne and seem v bulky, but on it is suprisingly light and comfy. I sometimes wear my airowear for hacking and most stuff, I don't think I would wear the exo for that as it is a little bulky when you try and wriggle about, but for xc I think it will be brilliant! Anything that helps me get less battered with an unscheduled dismount is good by me!

As an aside, incase anyone was wondering the same - from the discussion about allen keys I had thought that you use the allen key to get yourself in and out. Pleased to say that isn't the case and you just have a sturdy clip on both sides, way easier than I imagined it to be!
 
ThePony said:
As an aside, in case anyone was wondering the same - from the discussion about allen keys I had thought that you use the allen key to get yourself in and out. Pleased to say that isn't the case and you just have a sturdy clip on both sides, way easier than I imagined it to be!
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Ah, no, it's only if it has to be dismantled on you, it's to undo the shoulder hinges. The huge fuss about the allen keys was all because someone bought one, cut out both allen keys (WHY? why would anyone do that?!) and then turned up at a BE event to wear it, and mentioned that she didn't have any allen keys on it... cue panic.
 
What are they like around the bust? Is the chest measurement over or under bust?

The waist of the smallest size is equal to about 27.5 inches - I have a 26 inch waist, would it be too much too big?

Sorry for the questions, seems like an absolute bargain offer!
 
Mine has arrived today! Fab bargain.. felt like walking up to my horse and saying " go on then!" Lol
It felt very heavy but once on its actually very comfty.. looks bulky but i can cope with that. Thank you H&H forums!
 
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