Shipley
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It does give you an idea I took mine to a weighbridge to check at purchase and it was within 60kg
Word of warning to 3.5t lorry owners
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Bowen4Horses
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I have a friend who has a 3.5t VW LT35. To me the LT35 bit suggests that it is 3.5t but she's insists that on the log book it says 7.5t.
Can this be the case?
Her little lorry is so heavy to drive that it feels like 3.5t without any horses in it !
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you can get lorries 'uprated'. so, in theory, if she had brakes, suspension etc changed to be able to deal with 7.5 tonnes...hers could be a 7.5t... BUT... i can't imagine it'd be very safe... or good to drive
mine was 5.5 uprated to 7.5... so is nice and compact but payload is about 2tonnes. which is about how much i weigh after 3 months on an unsuccessful diet...
I have a friend who has a 3.5t VW LT35. To me the LT35 bit suggests that it is 3.5t but she's insists that on the log book it says 7.5t.
Can this be the case?
Her little lorry is so heavy to drive that it feels like 3.5t without any horses in it !
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you can get lorries 'uprated'. so, in theory, if she had brakes, suspension etc changed to be able to deal with 7.5 tonnes...hers could be a 7.5t... BUT... i can't imagine it'd be very safe... or good to drive
mine was 5.5 uprated to 7.5... so is nice and compact but payload is about 2tonnes. which is about how much i weigh after 3 months on an unsuccessful diet...
miss_c
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I have a 3.5t Renault Master lorry, and I have a weighbridge certificate saying it has a payload of 1.25t. That's fine as I only ever take Genie, and I knew when I bought it that I wouldn't be able to take any other horses. That's fine by me as it gives me an excuse not to take other people places!
Aoibhin
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a friend brought an old iveco lorry & had it professionally converted (was given list of good lorrys for coversion) after all the cost & problems getting it finished it finally arrived & its useless & no good for porpose.
was fitted out to spec for 2 15h HW competition fit driving cobs as well as the kit/carriage (winch fitted ect) but when it arrived the ramp is so steep (its full height too) that the horses cant get up it (even with wooden grip bars on it) & its unladen weight is 0.9 off max! no way it could carry the 2 horses let alone the rest of the stuff!
its now sat in yard whilst they argue with the (professional) boxbuilders over it not being fit for use.
was fitted out to spec for 2 15h HW competition fit driving cobs as well as the kit/carriage (winch fitted ect) but when it arrived the ramp is so steep (its full height too) that the horses cant get up it (even with wooden grip bars on it) & its unladen weight is 0.9 off max! no way it could carry the 2 horses let alone the rest of the stuff!
its now sat in yard whilst they argue with the (professional) boxbuilders over it not being fit for use.
e21631
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QR - I have a Master 3.5t. I have only ever used it so far for carrying Harley around - he's a 16.1 Section D.
What I really want though, and what no van manfacturers seem to provide, is the ability to carry him in the middle of the van to help the balance. So maybe a partition track all the way across at both front and back, and two lightweight partitions.
I think this would be much safer, not only from a weight distribution point of view, but also in the case of a side impact, the horse would be much better protected.
How come none of the manufacturers seem to cater for this - after all, the vast majority of 3.5 tonners spend their lives ferrying just the one horse around.
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I do have this in my old vw lt35, so when I travel 1 horse he can stand in the middle then I move the partions back for taking the children to pony club
QR - I have a Master 3.5t. I have only ever used it so far for carrying Harley around - he's a 16.1 Section D.
What I really want though, and what no van manfacturers seem to provide, is the ability to carry him in the middle of the van to help the balance. So maybe a partition track all the way across at both front and back, and two lightweight partitions.
I think this would be much safer, not only from a weight distribution point of view, but also in the case of a side impact, the horse would be much better protected.
How come none of the manufacturers seem to cater for this - after all, the vast majority of 3.5 tonners spend their lives ferrying just the one horse around.
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I do have this in my old vw lt35, so when I travel 1 horse he can stand in the middle then I move the partions back for taking the children to pony club
ecrozier
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Thats interesting about the weight from plating being inaccurate? Our 7.5t merc came in at 5290kg at plating with 1/4 tank fuel, me, rottweiler (hidden in the living
), and all kit apart from tack and horses (keep all grooming kits, boots, jackets etc etc etc in lorry).
So we are in the very lucky and limited camp of actually having a 7.5t that will genuinely carry 3 horses - with 2.21 tonnes of payload if you estimate each horse at 600kg max plus 100kg of tack.....as it happens my arab is always one of the three and he is barely 420kg which gives us an extra bit of weight for kit!
However even with such a decent payload you still couldn't take say 3 x 16.2hh eventers out to an event with two sets of tack each etc etc....
Our living is seriously basic too, bench seats and sink pretty much!
So we are in the very lucky and limited camp of actually having a 7.5t that will genuinely carry 3 horses - with 2.21 tonnes of payload if you estimate each horse at 600kg max plus 100kg of tack.....as it happens my arab is always one of the three and he is barely 420kg which gives us an extra bit of weight for kit!
However even with such a decent payload you still couldn't take say 3 x 16.2hh eventers out to an event with two sets of tack each etc etc....
Our living is seriously basic too, bench seats and sink pretty much!
lachlanandmarcus
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do bear in mind also that tho the 7.5t lorry might need newer drivers to take a test, in some cases it will provide a better travelling experience for the horse...our friends love our box as its easier than their smaller ones to driver (Key is turbo and power steering, even tho its OLD B reg!), and theres a lot less buffetting from the wind, and lots of space. So is worth considering, and also means if you ever have to drive a bigger box in an energency you will be able to take the wheel.
AandK
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QR this thread makes interesting reading..
i am about to sell my 3.5t lorry, which has just over 1 ton payload so i know it will easily carry me, horse, tack and ODE kit and the occasional labrador..
but i wonder how many people know an accurate weight for their horse as well as the lorry when looking into payload etc.
i have a 16.3hh TB, who i thought must weigh in at nearly 600kgs but when he was weighed at the vets recently he was approx 500kgs - i was surprised, as was the vet! (although to be fair he had been on holiday for 2 months so not fully muscled) my 15.2hh IDxTB weighs more than him!
i am about to sell my 3.5t lorry, which has just over 1 ton payload so i know it will easily carry me, horse, tack and ODE kit and the occasional labrador..
but i wonder how many people know an accurate weight for their horse as well as the lorry when looking into payload etc.
i have a 16.3hh TB, who i thought must weigh in at nearly 600kgs but when he was weighed at the vets recently he was approx 500kgs - i was surprised, as was the vet! (although to be fair he had been on holiday for 2 months so not fully muscled) my 15.2hh IDxTB weighs more than him!
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Donkeymad
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Absolutely not madhossy.
The vast majority of 3.5T although stalled for two, even three, are incapable of carrying more than one, and often only a smaller one. If you also have living, you could even find a Great Dane your max.
The vast majority of 3.5T although stalled for two, even three, are incapable of carrying more than one, and often only a smaller one. If you also have living, you could even find a Great Dane your max.
Bowen4Horses
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a friend brought an old iveco lorry & had it professionally converted (was given list of good lorrys for coversion) after all the cost & problems getting it finished it finally arrived & its useless & no good for porpose.
was fitted out to spec for 2 15h HW competition fit driving cobs as well as the kit/carriage (winch fitted ect) but when it arrived the ramp is so steep (its full height too) that the horses cant get up it (even with wooden grip bars on it) & its unladen weight is 0.9 off max! no way it could carry the 2 horses let alone the rest of the stuff!
its now sat in yard whilst they argue with the (professional) boxbuilders over it not being fit for use.
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oh my god! your poor friend.
a friend brought an old iveco lorry & had it professionally converted (was given list of good lorrys for coversion) after all the cost & problems getting it finished it finally arrived & its useless & no good for porpose.
was fitted out to spec for 2 15h HW competition fit driving cobs as well as the kit/carriage (winch fitted ect) but when it arrived the ramp is so steep (its full height too) that the horses cant get up it (even with wooden grip bars on it) & its unladen weight is 0.9 off max! no way it could carry the 2 horses let alone the rest of the stuff!
its now sat in yard whilst they argue with the (professional) boxbuilders over it not being fit for use.
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oh my god! your poor friend.
Ranyhyn
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Don't be naughty guys - just because a car can do 120mph doesn't mean you should do it, its not the advertisers fault for saying they can carry 2x16.2hh horses - they can! Doesn't mean its legal though
Halfpass
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I have a 3.5tonne and the payload is 1.4 tonne (with a full tank of diesel!) so if travelling 2 horses ( which is very rare ) I tend to get someone to travel behind with all the bits and pieces. It would comfortabley take 2 17+ but I would never put 2 like this in it its just not worth the risk. Having said that I love my little lorry and wouldn't swap it for the world!
perfect11s
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If you have a licence to tow then it would be possible to tow a horse trailer with a 3.5 box I think the train weight is about 5.5 giving a towing limit of 2 tonnes.. but you would need to check... so asuming that you could have one in the box and one and some feed etc in the trailer, the other posibilty is to get a little trailer to put feed, tack, water and camping gear in.....
SirenaXVI
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I have a friend who has a 3.5t VW LT35. To me the LT35 bit suggests that it is 3.5t but she's insists that on the log book it says 7.5t.
Can this be the case?
Her little lorry is so heavy to drive that it feels like 3.5t without any horses in it !
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No, I have an LT35 and it is most def 3.5tons, although I agree they feel a lot more substantial than the average 3.5 tonner - they can be upgraded to 4.5tons and am seriously considering doing it to mine as my newest horse is a good 16.2 and weighs over 500kgs so pretty sure we are over weight
I have a friend who has a 3.5t VW LT35. To me the LT35 bit suggests that it is 3.5t but she's insists that on the log book it says 7.5t.
Can this be the case?
Her little lorry is so heavy to drive that it feels like 3.5t without any horses in it !
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No, I have an LT35 and it is most def 3.5tons, although I agree they feel a lot more substantial than the average 3.5 tonner - they can be upgraded to 4.5tons and am seriously considering doing it to mine as my newest horse is a good 16.2 and weighs over 500kgs so pretty sure we are over weight
Mike007
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An just when you all thought it couldnt get worse. You must worry abot axle weights too.The average CONversion MAN ,has precious little interest in the gross vehicle weight eg 7.5 tonnes.Do you think he carefully calculates the weight distribution betwean the axles.The plating certificate gives these. You cant calculate them by taking the horses weights and simply adding them.It is as much an overloading offence to overload an axle.
Louby
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Gosh Im confused now. I was told to travel one horse alone over the back axle, so in my case he goes in the middle partition, is this what you mean. In my case then one would travel more or less behind the back axle, one over it and one in front. My 7.5t weighs in at 5.3t unladen????
Mike007
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Louby,if I understandyou right you have one horse over the rear xxle,on horse infront and one behind.We could hazard an approximation that the entire equine load is centred over the back axle. Take the figure for the weight of the rear axle from yourlast test.Add the total weight of horses to this figure and compare it to the maximum allowable weight ,given on the plating certificate in the cab. As an example.I have the figures in front of me for a eurocargo 75E15,with rear axle weight on test ,of3263kg .On its plating certificate the maximum for the rear axle is 5200kg.Now for simplicity,lets ignore any extra weight of passangers etc. The front axle on test was2732kg which is clearly less than the permissible maximum given ,of3200kg. Overall the lorry weighs (2732kg plu3263kg)empty or,5995kg. So overall it can carry a further 1505kg of load. In this case all this load is over the back axle so this gives (3263kg plus 1505kg) or4768 kg over the back axle. Clearly this is within the limit of5200kg..........However if all the horses had been over or behind the rear axle,the situation would have been very different,as weight would have been transmitted FROM the front axle TO the rear axle and it would probably overload it.This is just an example and every other lorry will be different.
PeterNatt
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New legislation being introduced will prevent vehicles from being upgraded or downgraded.
Louby
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Thanks Mike007. I only have and carry one horse but it is interesting to know. Mine is an Iveco 75e17 and I will check the axle kg. Mine is an 18ft box, 23ft total length and not much hangs over the back axle. I have seen them like I think you describe with what looks like all the horses travelling on and behind the back axle.
amandaco2
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mine was weighed before i bought it to check.
i only ever take 1 horse so i am not bothered by a 1.2t payload.
i only ever take 1 horse so i am not bothered by a 1.2t payload.
dieseldog
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Thats interesting about the weight from plating being inaccurate? Our 7.5t merc came in at 5290kg at plating with 1/4 tank fuel, me, rottweiler (hidden in the living
), and all kit apart from tack and horses (keep all grooming kits, boots, jackets etc etc etc in lorry).
So we are in the very lucky and limited camp of actually having a 7.5t that will genuinely carry 3 horses - with 2.21 tonnes of payload if you estimate each horse at 600kg max plus 100kg of tack.....as it happens my arab is always one of the three and he is barely 420kg which gives us an extra bit of weight for kit!
However even with such a decent payload you still couldn't take say 3 x 16.2hh eventers out to an event with two sets of tack each etc etc....
Our living is seriously basic too, bench seats and sink pretty much!
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I had a lorry fail an MOT, it was an hours drive each way to the test station and I didn't put any more diesel in - so the lorry should have weighed less for the second test. It weighed 250kg more - so they aren't accurate at all.
Thats interesting about the weight from plating being inaccurate? Our 7.5t merc came in at 5290kg at plating with 1/4 tank fuel, me, rottweiler (hidden in the living
So we are in the very lucky and limited camp of actually having a 7.5t that will genuinely carry 3 horses - with 2.21 tonnes of payload if you estimate each horse at 600kg max plus 100kg of tack.....as it happens my arab is always one of the three and he is barely 420kg which gives us an extra bit of weight for kit!
However even with such a decent payload you still couldn't take say 3 x 16.2hh eventers out to an event with two sets of tack each etc etc....
Our living is seriously basic too, bench seats and sink pretty much!
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I had a lorry fail an MOT, it was an hours drive each way to the test station and I didn't put any more diesel in - so the lorry should have weighed less for the second test. It weighed 250kg more - so they aren't accurate at all.