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well after not having much success with the polite ones or plain ones I decided to buy a high viz vest with "caution young horse in training" on the back, well as I now have to use the roads due to roadworks which have closed off part of the bridleway thought it may help if road users knew I was riding a young horse...... what a difference!!

I didn't not have one single person come past too close or too fast lol, even the buses (usually sitting up my behind) kept their distance and my mare and I had a great stress free hack, I usually avoid the roads at all costs as most road users round here have no clue about passing slowly or safely but today I felt totally at ease.

well worth the £9.99 :D
 
Great result but please be wary of "caution" tabbards, if you are involved in an accident on the road you are effectively admitting your liability by wearing wording as you describe.
 
Yes agree with post above: best wording, I would suggest, is the bog-standard stuff like "Please pass wide and slow" or something similar.

You can buy tabards with this on them, but I DO wish they'd print that wording on BOTH sides, i.e. front AND back! What I tend to do is buy two and then join them together, as I think it helps a great deal to have the wording clearly visible both front and back.
 
RunToEarth said:
Great result but please be wary of "caution" tabbards, if you are involved in an accident on the road you are effectively admitting your liability by wearing wording as you describe.
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I agree Caution horse and Rider is much better.
Or the pass wide and slow ( that makes me laugh though).
 
well I thought about this but caution young horse in training could mean anything( shes in training for a hunter trial at min lol ) so not exactly an admission of any kind !

Tbh I have never felt so safe and I guess its better than wearing none (which insurance could look unfavourably on ) ?

My hubby is a builder and often uses caution signs to warn people, infact if he didn't then he would be the one liable if an accident should occur :confused:
 
horseandshoes77 said:
well I thought about this but caution young horse in training could mean anything( shes in training for a hunter trial at min lol ) so not exactly an admission of any kind !

Tbh I have never felt so safe and I guess its better than wearing none (which insurance could look unfavourably on ) ?

My hubby is a builder and often uses caution signs to warn people, infact if he didn't then he would be the one liable if an accident should occur :confused:
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I don't think your insurance would look badly at it but it might be a good idea to check but if you had an accident the other parties insurer might well use the wording on the tabard to say you knew the horse was more of a risk than others.
 
I have never understood how wearing something that says 'young horse' or similar can be used against you if there is an accident. If you walk along the road and there is a sign on some scaffolding saying 'caution men working overhead' and you choose to walk under and something drops on your head it was your choice to ignore the warning and walk under the scaffolding, the same as 'caution wet floor' signs, if you see the sign but choose to walk on the floor and slip it's not the person who placed the signs fault. So if a driver decides to pass too close/fast when you are wearing a tabard stating 'caution young horse' surely the onus is on the driver? They have seen a visual warning that the horse is young if they then choose to not take extra precautions that is their fault.
Obviously I am basing this on a horse who is as traffic proof as a horse can get and that the rider is riding with care.
 
The plain ones just don't work, and already have a wide and slow but no one seems to care today was unreal, every single car passed as they should, usually they bomb past an inch off my stirrup.

I think I shall take my chance, less likely to have an accident if drivers are more careful around us and have just had a google and cant find any evidence at all with regards to these tabards and the word caution etc

Does anyone know anyone who has had this happen or knows of an accident where this has been the case?? (im genuinely interested not being tetchy)
 
Spiritedly said:
I have never understood how wearing something that says 'young horse' or similar can be used against you if there is an accident. If you walk along the road and there is a sign on some scaffolding saying 'caution men working overhead' and you choose to walk under and something drops on your head it was your choice to ignore the warning and walk under the scaffolding, the same as 'caution wet floor' signs, if you see the sign but choose to walk on the floor and slip it's not the person who placed the signs fault. So if a driver decides to pass too close/fast when you are wearing a tabard stating 'caution young horse' surely the onus is on the driver? They have seen a visual warning that the horse is young if they then choose to not take extra precautions that is their fault.
Obviously I am basing this on a horse who is as traffic proof as a horse can get and that the rider is riding with care.
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Caution horse is admitting that your horse may pose as some kind of hazard, and has, when legally challenged, been proved as admitting liability.

If you put a sign on your house saying "Caution, guard dogs" and then someone comes in (trespassing or invited) and gets bitten, you will be held liable as you are admitting they may pose some danger, whereas if you are displaying a sign saying "Jack Russell lives here" you are not admitting that they should be cautioned, just alerting people to the fact they are around.

I work in property and we are always advised to keep to the generic: "Keep Out" "Men working Overhead" "Quarry Workings" "Fragile Roof" - stating a simple fact without asking people to be cautious of it. A landowner was taken to court and successfully charged when he put signs around his derelict building reading "Danger, unsafe building" and a youth went in there and fell through the floor. The judge found that the landowner had identified that the building was dangerous and unsafe, however had not gone to the length of putting heras fencing around it to make it secure, I reckon had he not put a sign there, it would have been a lot more difficult to prove liability. I'm not saying I agree with how things have gone, but I would be cautious about wearing caution vests.
 
Spiritedly said:
If you walk along the road and there is a sign on some scaffolding saying 'caution men working overhead' and you choose to walk under and something drops on your head it was your choice to ignore the warning and walk under the scaffolding,
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Wrong if scaffolding is over a public highway etc, it must have netting around it/underneath it to stop things dropping on people's heads!
 
RunToEarth said:
Caution horse is admitting that your horse may pose as some kind of hazard, and has, when legally challenged, been proved as admitting liability.

If you put a sign on your house saying "Caution, guard dogs" and then someone comes in (trespassing or invited) and gets bitten, you will be held liable as you are admitting they may pose some danger, whereas if you are displaying a sign saying "Jack Russell lives here" you are not admitting that they should be cautioned, just alerting people to the fact they are around.

I work in property and we are always advised to keep to the generic: "Keep Out" "Men working Overhead" "Quarry Workings" "Fragile Roof" - stating a simple fact without asking people to be cautious of it. A landowner was taken to court and successfully charged when he put signs around his derelict building reading "Danger, unsafe building" and a youth went in there and fell through the floor. The judge found that the landowner had identified that the building was dangerous and unsafe, however had not gone to the length of putting heras fencing around it to make it secure, I reckon had he not put a sign there, it would have been a lot more difficult to prove liability. I'm not saying I agree with how things have gone, but I would be cautious about wearing caution vests.
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So it would be okay to just have 'Young horse' on the tabard without the 'Caution' first?
 
wench said:
Wrong if scaffolding is over a public highway etc, it must have netting around it/underneath it to stop things dropping on people's heads!
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But if you choose to go through the netting it doesn't then make it the workmens fault because they had a caution sign up!
 
I too use young horse in training tabard but mines pink, drivers are 99% very good when passing me in it. I don't care if its deemed by some as admitting liability, if I don't wear it I'm still riding a young horse in training. If new drivers use green L's would they be prosecuted for admitting they are new to the roads? Drivers pass me much better in this than any other coat or tabard which at the end of the day is what I want.
 
Spiritedly said:
I have never understood how wearing something that says 'young horse' or similar can be used against you if there is an accident. If you walk along the road and there is a sign on some scaffolding saying 'caution men working overhead' and you choose to walk under and something drops on your head it was your choice to ignore the warning and walk under the scaffolding, the same as 'caution wet floor' signs, if you see the sign but choose to walk on the floor and slip it's not the person who placed the signs fault. So if a driver decides to pass too close/fast when you are wearing a tabard stating 'caution young horse' surely the onus is on the driver? They have seen a visual warning that the horse is young if they then choose to not take extra precautions that is their fault.
Obviously I am basing this on a horse who is as traffic proof as a horse can get and that the rider is riding with care.
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You given the answer your self of course if a driver ploughs into the back of you the wording is irrelevant but it is not the drivers job to keep the young horse under control it's the riders it's the riders choice to go on the road you cant hand the responsibility over to the driver by wearing a tabard the principle use of tabards is to increase the visibility of the the horse an rider .
If a driver spooked a young horse going to fast or too close it would be the riders word agaisnt the drivers and the rider had already flagged up that there was an issue with the horse.
 
Spiritedly said:
So it would be okay to just have 'Young horse' on the tabard without the 'Caution' first?
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You are still saying this horse is different to other horses a driver could say the horse was young and therefore inexperianced it was not my fault it was spooked.
 
I have ridden in plain hi vis and a please pass wide and slow. I find I get more people passing wide and slow with the one with the wording than without. I think some people just don't realise how you should pass a horse and it can be a useful reminder. Having said that I think that nearly 50% of drivers that pass me don't slow down at all (predominantly from the front which has no wording so I may take the advice of an earlier poster and get another top with wording on and sew them together), or get stuck behind me waiting to overtake and then rev the living daylights out of their car when they move off.
 
well I don't want to wear L plates as im not learning to ride and neither is horse, I want cars to be mindful and respectful when passing, my horse is under control 99 % of the time however if a man where to throw a bag of rubbish over fence when im walking past on the road and mare moves over a stride I wouldn't hit anyone who is passing me at a reasonable distance, if however same happened and cars pass me as they usually do then even a stride over would mean hitting the car, so today proved that drivers were more careful passing me when they read the tabard !

My horse is an animal so therefore they and others should be cautious as shes not a robot, I would happily admit liability if my mare went into the road spooking as its my fault shes not under control... however a car flying past me and clipping my stirrups is another matter and I don't think what im wearing should matter however I think in most cases riders and horses would be deemed responsible regardless of clothing or actions !
 
I can't control what they do past other horses and it was my own horse that concerned me though I would hope that they stop and think about it before they passed others, otherwise I would assume that if they were inclined to speed past others they would have disregarded my request?. I did write PLEASE SLOW down either side of the front as well. It prove effective for me, not that my lad had caused any problems, just taking precautions with a young animal.
 
What a load of bull.
I despair of the world we have to live in.
It is far more responsible to advise drivers the horse is young and inexperienced, than to not inform them.
Common sense tells me that in the event of an accident the driver would have a better case if he/she could say "how was I to know the horse was in training" than if they had been clearly warned.
I don't believe there has ever been a case where a rider was deemed negligable for declaring on a tabard that caution was needed.
If I'm wrong I'd be interested in a link to the evidence.
 
Nightmare before Christmas said:
Ive worn young horse tabbards. Im sure if there was that much of an issue with them they would have reworded them or stopped making them years ago!
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People also make signs saying this dog bites which could get someone into trouble if it did bite someone.

It's not that they are illegal but take the following scenario.

There's a horrible accident where the horse/rider are severely injured or even killed and it ends up in court.

The driver who may well have been driving recklessly and their defence lawyer are looking to get off and for any little piece of supporting evidence to prove the rider/horse was in the wrong and there was nothing they could do.

So they latch on to this Young horse in Training message and start asking questions along the lines of "so you knew your horse was not accustomed to traffic when you went out on the road" and make the point that a young horse will be more unpredictable than an older experienced one is a attempt to evade responsibility and maybe should have been chaperoned.

Of course you can argue that if it is effective and slows drivers down then it's worth risking what might happen in court as you will be less likely to have an accident.
 
Ribbons, there is no evidence. This Young Horse wording gets argued over and over again. I spoke to a barrister I know recently and he said that he'd argue "robustly" that it showed a responsible attitude to other road users.
 
criso said:
People also make signs saying this dog bites which could get someone into trouble if it did bite someone.

It's not that they are illegal but take the following scenario.

There's a horrible accident where the horse/rider are severely injured or even killed and it ends up in court.

The driver who may well have been driving recklessly and their defence lawyer are looking to get off and for any little piece of supporting evidence to prove the rider/horse was in the wrong and there was nothing they could do.

So they latch on to this Young horse in Training message and start asking questions along the lines of "so you knew your horse was not accustomed to traffic when you went out on the road" and make the point that a young horse will be more unpredictable than an older experienced one is a attempt to evade responsibility and maybe should have been chaperoned.

Of course you can argue that if it is effective and slows drivers down then it's worth risking what might happen in court as you will be less likely to have an accident.
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Or the horse damages a car the drivers insurer could well argue that it was not the drivers fault as the the horse was clearly different in someway to other horses .
 
Tinypony said:
Ribbons, there is no evidence. This Young Horse wording gets argued over and over again. I spoke to a barrister I know recently and he said that he'd argue "robustly" that it showed a responsible attitude to other road users.
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He argue robustly while booking a holiday with the proceeds of the case.
 
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