words fail me...the youth of today !!

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found this on my fb feed and tbh im disgusted...not only that they did what they did but did not stop to make sure she was ok or even ring someone...im sorry but I think if kids today learned to respect elders etc and got a bloody good hiding when needed then they might think twice about their actions.

Sadly they'll get a little telling off by police ..parents probably wont give a jot !!

I hope this young lady pulls through and thoughts are with her family.
 
It's awful but not representative of "the youth of today" just a few unruly teens who have probably been the subject of pisspoor parenting.

I hope the woman pulls through, how awful for her.
 
If she does not pull through it will be a charge of manslaughter I would think, they will have to catch them first .
 
This is heartbreaking, her poor family must be so worried. She sounds such a lovely lady, I hope she survives her injuries and makes a complete recovery.
 
Yes no more representative of the youth of today than horrible acts committed by 50 year olds are representative of 50 year olds. I am 21 and shocked by this story. Admittedly where I live at university there are a few gobby little what names who always find distasteful things to yell at me when I'm going for a run or just walking down the road but by and large the majority of people my age who I know would never behave like that!

Really hoping she pulls through xxx
 
well maybe because where I live up north youths are so disrespectful of people and the law....most are too high on drugs at 13 to care and parents are also to high on drugs to care....I ride out and have had bottles thrown at us...even dog crap that they found tied to a tree...mostly on weekends but riding out these days is a lottery ....I find that most parents round here tend to be too busy to care...the police in our area picked up 25youths in one night in 3 villages and threw away litres of alcohol ( daughter is in community force) all were involved in anti social behaviour....years ago everyone was so worried about the good hiding from dad...these days dads are getting a good hiding from their sons !! im sorry I know its not all....but these incidents are becoming all to common imho and its because theres no respect...god I wonder how many kids of today would pretend to be older to join army and fight for country(not many) most cant be bothered to even get a job ! we have enough trouble with drivers up here without being afraid to ride off road !
 
well having a teenage daughter whom I hope has respect for others,however the majority far out weight the one or two decent ones ! anyway by the by...lets hope this lady pulls through...
 
I have to say, I think a lot of teenagers today live in a virtual world where you get points for killing and move up a level. What must go through their heads? How can they not know that their actions could lead to someone being killed? It's a worrying trend though. A couple of weeks ago, two climbers in the Avon Gorge had bottles and stones thrown at them from the cliff top. The lead climber took a fall but was luckily uninjured. When the climbers got to the top, the youths were still there, and when it was pointed out how dangerous their actions were, they threatened the climbers with a metal bike lock.
 
I was very sorry to read of this incident and I very much hope that she makes a full recovery.
Unfortunately there will always be a minority of people that do terrible things and I believe that the public has a right to be protected from them. The problem is that there are just not enough prisons and therefore judges are unable to give custodial sentences.
The solution is to build more prisons so that these people can be given a nice long custodial sentence and kept away from the public at large.
 
This is a terrible story and I hope the poor young woman recovers well.

However OP, I find your "youth of today" rant quite extreme and not my experience of young people and parents I must say.

saskiahorsey said:
most are too high on drugs at 13 to care and parents are also to high on drugs to care
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Really? That's not what I see around me. :confused3: Although, of course, it is what the Daily mail would like us to believe. ;)
 
I have children of this age, and find it amazing how kind, polite and hard working their friends are - but then, that's why we moved from south Yorkshire to Hampshire! I wouldn't send a dog to my old schools.

These thugs should be reminded that the rider's attempts to 'control' a horse in this situation could well result in them being ridden down like skittles - hopefully.

A youth did once fire a BB at our pony and carriage. One ball hit my daughter beside me, and one hit the pony on the shoulder. Happily the pony did no more than shoot forward a couple of strides, or it could have been nasty.

I do hope this poor woman is OK, and that the police treat it with the seriousness it deserves.
 
Btw there is no evidence to suggest violent video games lead to aggression and violence.[/QUOTE]

.....and no evidence to suggest that they don't. Common sense would surely be that kids exposed to a continual dose of violent fantasy would be learning SOMETHING from it. What, I wonder....?
 
How horrific! Poor woman :(
I hope she pulls through!

Along the same lines as kokopelli...I adore horror movies, violent games and other such things...but would I ever dream of hurting anyone? No. Of course not!

I hope they're found and brough to justice!
 
saskiahorsey said:
well maybe because where I live up north youths are so disrespectful of people and the law
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pennyturner said:
I have children of this age, and find it amazing how kind, polite and hard working their friends are - but then, that's why we moved from south Yorkshire to Hampshire! I wouldn't send a dog to my old schools.
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Some assumptions being made about northern people here! :eek3:

I live in the North and find most young people helpful and polite, as I'm sure they are pretty much everywhere.
 
poor woman hope she pulls through.

Children of today sheesh

They spend to much time on the game boxes and computer game and not enough time reading and playing sport to wear out that surplus energy.
 
Society has well and truly screwed over these kids, theyve been given no boundries, parents cant or wont dicipline them for whatever reason, usually fear of retribution from sw if the little darlings complain, teachers cant dicipline them in any way so dont bother for fear of retribution, so they tend to wreak havoc in schools.
Police struggle with them in society for fear of being diciplined and losing their jobs for wrestling the little darlings to the ground and arresting them, and again there is little that is done to educate or punish them for the general Hooligan behaviour so they push the envelope. When they are caught, half the time they dont bother to even appear in court, such is their disrespect for society and its rules.
Theyre all so wrapped up in themselves, and their own gratification, they know it all and if it hurts or harms anyone in the process, well, whats the worst that could happen ......... some expert will give them an excuse for their behaviour
and i agree some, not all have little or no respect for anyone including their parents.
There is always someone making excuses up for them, and their behaviours they take no responsibility for their actions in anything throughout their young lives and can turn in to nasty adults.
Trying to teach values and respect for themselves and others to these kids in a nurturing, caring way isnt working, Like it or not corporal punishment does work, the belt in the school worked, if you disrespected others you certainly learnt it fast after the belt. If id disrespected my parents a skelped backside soon put that right and if the local bobby clipped your ear and said he was going to speak to your mum, you were more worried about that than how cocky and mouthy you could be to impress others. All of the above i agree can be taken to far but whats in its place is clearly not working either . They all know their rights, but seem to have skipped the part that making choices within these rights comes with accountibility and resposibility to themselves and others, i firmly believe that if they dont understand that and choose to flout it then they relinqish those rights until they do.
 
Landcruiser said:
.....and no evidence to suggest that they don't. Common sense would surely be that kids exposed to a continual dose of violent fantasy would be learning SOMETHING from it. What, I wonder....?
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Nope there is surplus evidence that suggests violence on tv and games does not cause aggression. These are well run, modern and peer reviewed studies. The ones that 'prove' the link are old and badly done with proven invalid results.

More likely the kids have been failed by their parents and society but it's easier to blame video games to show how deterministic we all are...

ETA: I will try and link to studies when I'm on my laptop, but they are behind pay walls.
 
No, I appreciate they aren't the same age as me (though thank you for making me feel old ;) ) but I would imagine they are more my age group than most of the people replying saying grr the youth of today - feel free to correct me though!

I am shortly to become a psychology graduate and can tell you with a fair bit of confidence that video games are not the cause of increased violence in children. Problems such as poor/completely uncaring and uncontrolling parents who do not supervise their children and therefore just let them run loose, poor diet, friends who behave similarly and thus encourage that behaviour and then cause them to be rejected by well behaved children, just reinforcing the cycle, are far more likely to contribute. Yes there will be very rare examples of children who play a violent video game and then go out and seek to replicate what they have seen, but this is no different to adults, i.e. the young adult who went into the batman film screening in America and shot dead several people. There has to be something weakened and detached from reality in the child or adults mind to allow them to wish to replicate those horrible acts, and thankfully the majority of society does not suffer from such issues. A lot of the time children are genuinely just replicating the behaviour they see at home or in public by their parents!

It would probably shock most of you to know that crime rates in the UK are currently lower than they have been for some time. About 60% lower than they were since in 1995, a time most of you I would imagine did not suffer from this "youth of today" issue. Yes, youth offending rates have risen slightly but considering crime in general is much lower than in previous years, I would not say this is a fair representation that young people today are any more likely to commit crime than their age equal counterparts 30 years ago.

Sooo yes, some young people are poorly brought up, poorly fed, poorly treated and have poor paternal and maternal examples for them to seek to aim to, and have equally unfortunate friends so therefore this becomes their "norm". I think we just hear more about it today then ever before because of the power of the internet and the idiotic statements published by the Daily Mail.

Sorry, bit of a rant, but as a young person in today's society it is incredibly frustrating to hear older people slate "the youth of today".
 
pennyturner said:
I have children of this age, and find it amazing how kind, polite and hard working their friends are - but then, that's why we moved from south Yorkshire to Hampshire! I wouldn't send a dog to my old schools.
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Oh well, some of us turned out alright you know - in fact, in the whole 18 years of my life in South Yorkshire I never once came across anyone who thought it was appropriate to throw anything at an animal.

Children, to a large extent, are a reflection of their upbringing. The children who cause violence like this, or the riots, or any other number of heinous crimes are usually but not always those who haven't had a great start in life - I don't think geography really has a bearing on it.
 
Kokopelli said:
Nope there is surplus evidence that suggests violence on tv and games does not cause aggression. These are well run, modern and peer reviewed studies. The ones that 'prove' the link are old and badly done with proven invalid results.

More likely the kids have been failed by their parents and society but it's easier to blame video games to show how deterministic we all are...

ETA: I will try and link to studies when I'm on my laptop, but they are behind pay walls.
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I would be interested to see up-to-date meta-analysis of this issue. My suspicion -- and I admit it is only a suspicion -- is that media violence does not cause any lasting and measurable changes in behaviour towards violence in the majority of those who are exposed to it, but that there is a vulnerable minority who are adversely affected. This would water down any overall statistical effect to the point of insignificance. In any case, I imagine it would be difficult to prove cause and effect even if a statistically significant effect were to be seen.

Is a lack of influence also claimed for pornography? There was an enlightening documentary on this topic that I saw recently on iPlayer featuring a young fellow of 17/18 whose father was big in the porn industry. It seemed pretty clear, anecdotally at least, that easy access to porn on the Internet is having a profound influence on young people's expectations and behaviour.
 
LillyBeth said:
I am shortly to become a psychology graduate and can tell you with a fair bit of confidence that video games are not the cause of increased violence in children.
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On the other hand, there is growing evidence that video games changes children's brains (for better or worse, I don't know), isn't there?
 
Yes, I agree with you on that though I've seen minimal peer reviewed evidence on it but it is hardly surprising to me, any experience changes you in some manner. The diet and poor parental care of such children is likely to be far more influential to brain and personality development than the video game ever could be.

For instance, my exam tomorrow (last one - woohoo!) is about the dangers of sugar. High sugar diets reduce brain derived neurotrophic factor which is responsible for developing new tissues in the brain, so is crucial in learning and memory. Children eating high sugar diets therefore have less BDNF and as a result demonstrate lower cognitive function and poorer learning ability. Which is associated with decreased empathy and therefore increased violence. And that's just sugar! Imagine what the other cack that is in processed and non organic food can do to a developing childs brain. Diet is a hugely underrated influence, IMO.

We seem to live in a society where people want a quick fix, so blaming a video game that has a recommended age restriction attached so that parents are aware is unsuitable, is appealing to us in some way. The reality is that 99% of the time the parenting or standard of care provided to the child is what needs to be called into question. But that isn't an easy thing to change so we just go running to video games as the source, because it's much easier to stop children playing a video game than to admit that some people are terrible parents and unfortunately a lot of the issues cannot be blamed on big corporations.
 
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I don't get why people always blame young people's actions for their age. Many, many adults have done worse things- rape, murder, serial killings, yet you never hear people say "oh the adults of today". Even though the consequences of these kids' actions are severe, I don't think they went out with the intent of putting this woman in a coma. Not that I'm defending what they did at all, but antisocial behaviour happens in every age group, so tarring them all with the same brush is very closed minded and makes you sound quite bitter. I know plenty of rude kids, but I know a lot more malicious adults. That doesn't give me a right to label all adults as horrible, so why is it acceptable to do it to children?
I hope the woman pulls through and the kids are handed the punishment they deserve.
 
EJW said:
I don't get why people always blame young people's actions for their age. Many, many adults have done worse things- rape, murder, serial killings, yet you never hear people say "oh the adults of today". Even though the consequences of these kids' actions are severe, I don't think they went out with the intent of putting this woman in a coma. Not that I'm defending what they did at all, but antisocial behaviour happens in every age group, so tarring them all with the same brush is very closed minded and makes you sound quite bitter. I know plenty of rude kids, but I know a lot more malicious adults. That doesn't give me a right to label all adults as horrible, so why is it acceptable to do it to children?
I hope the woman pulls through and the kids are handed the punishment they deserve.
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Ahh you said this so much better than me! Human beings in general have a propensity to be unpleasant if the right buttons are pushed, it's not age that is relevant.
 
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