Worming advice

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Rosie'smum

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Internet is being annoying bout worming advice.

Dont know weather to just worm for tapeworm or just get a blood test or what to do about this time of year...
She was last wormed om 28th march.
 
Rosie'smum said:
shameless bump...anyone help?
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The options are endless :)

Thats a long time to go through the summer grazing season having received no treatment but if you have clean pastures, regaulary poo picked, or cross grazed with sheep/cattle etc and other horses grazing with her have been regularly wormed then I would suggest a five day panacur guard treatment followed by a double dose of Strongid P in six weeks time.

Alternatively Pramox will cover just about everything in one go, which ever you choose to go for, do the alternative in the spring. :)
 
Opie said:
The options are endless :)

Thats a long time to go through the summer grazing season having received no treatment but if you have clean pastures, regaulary poo picked, or cross grazed with sheep/cattle etc and other horses grazing with her have been regularly wormed then I would suggest a five day panacur guard treatment followed by a double dose of Strongid P in six weeks time.

Alternatively Pramox will cover just about everything in one go, which ever you choose to go for, do the alternative in the spring. :)
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Agree with above....if horse is fine dont over worm. Poo picking is cheaper option. I only worm mine in spring and Autumn. The only time I am sure he had a worm burden was when I purchased him and he had tender sides as he hadnt been wormed for long time. But with above he is fine. I also always worm before moving them onto winter or summer grazing so the worms get left behind(I do pick it up).

I dont do this worm every 8 weeks etc (someone said to me recently would you worm your kids every 8 weeks) that was a vet. Drug company driven some of this£££.
 
she gets worm counts done and wormed accordingly. Acutally i cant member when she got wormed last as when ever it was she had worm count done and it was 0 so she didnt get wormed. im just worried that i should of wormed for the ones that only come up in blood tests.

I regularly poo pick every day or every 2 days if time is pushed. She will be on the same grazing in winter as all year round.

I do agree that worming lots is not healthy as is what happened at last yard and before that it was just the norm to do it.
But by doing so now im just worried am i worming right? if you get me.
 
Contact Westgate Labs and ask for advice, then discuss with vet and hope they agree.
I am going to worm for tapeworm and encysted redworm next month, not sure what to use though [we don't see bots in this area].
Neither of these show on egg counts.
 
What doesn't show in the dung samples are:

The levels of non reproducing juvenille round worm, encysted redworm and tape.

Egg counts are a very good indication that there is a burden when the egg count is high, a negative or low count means very little and can mislead horse owners into believing all is well when it's not and can yeild false negative results. Effective dung sampling involves multiple samples from different mixed up piles of manure over a longer period of time to provide a more accurate snapshot of what's going on.

How many horses are grazing with her? How frequently are they wormed? How often is the field rotated. Are there horses under the age of five grazing with her?

Totally agree that over worming is unnecessary and that in an ideal scenanrio where feilds are regulary cleaned, grazing rotated, all horses wormed at the same time with the same product and horses all over five years of age in large pastures with plenty of acerage to roam and that any new arrivals are wormed prior to joinng the grazing group then worming once or twice annualy is more than likely sufficient.

Things start to change when the circumstances are different, so theres no hard and fast rule for every horse. :)

If she's in good health, with no signs of weight loss, lethargy, dull coat, firm droppings, then would say the two options given in the first post will cover her for all species of worm. :)
 
She's in field on her own and have been in this field since start of year, where worm count came back as o. This is what I am worrid bout as she hasn't been wormed for those type of worms. She has good coat is too fat and does have firm droppings.
 
She's in field on her own and have been in this field since start of year, where worm count came back as o. This is what I am worrid bout as she hasn't been wormed for those type of worms. She has good coat is too fat and does have firm droppings. Defiantly not l
 
She's in field on her own and have been in this field since start of year, where worm count came back as o. This is what I am worrid bout as she hasn't been wormed for those type of worms. She has good coat is too fat and does have firm droppings. Defiantly not lethegic!
 
She's in a field on her own and hasn't shared. She's been in there since march and her count was o. This is what I'm woried bout cause she hasn't been wormed for those worms.
She is definatly not lythegic, doesn't have a dull coat from what I can tell she is skewbald, so her brown bits are shiny. Her droppings are firm. No weightloss as she is fat.
 
sounds like she's in perfect health Rosiesmum and certainly wouldn't worry :) But as she hasn't been wormed since March then double dosing her with Strongid P will be the gentler option than Equest or Pramox and cover her for most worm species including tape and roundworm, so all you need to cover her for is encysted worm in six weeks time with equest. :)

We actually use the brand Embotape, much cheaper but same chemical (Pyrantel) as is used in Strongid P. We have found the best prices for all our wormers are offered on www.vetpharmacy.co.uk
 
I really would not waste your money on blood test. Your horse sounds fine and especially as they are on their own etc. I am about to do my twice yearly worming for my old boy that lives out 24/7 and I will double dose Strongid P. I do try to vary the wormer according to season and target drug.

Even though worm testing seems to be popular(I have never had it done but would just out of curiosity ) I dont know if it the test tells you if the worms your horse have are sensitive to & or the resistant medications to the current wormers available. As I keep hearing about resistance due to over use of wormers.

Worm tests/programmes are mostly good marketing and a way to capture sales.

Your horse sounds perfectly healthy.
 
sorry silly question but you say double dose. So you mean give 2 lots of the same stuff?

Actually scrap that i think i just read my own answer.

On another note so what would you worm each part of the year? its all very confuseing when you see so many different wormers seeming to do the same thing.
 
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indie999 said:
I really would not waste your money on blood test. Your horse sounds fine and especially as they are on their own etc. I am about to do my twice yearly worming for my old boy that lives out 24/7 and I will double dose Strongid P. I do try to vary the wormer according to season and target drug.

Even though worm testing seems to be popular(I have never had it done but would just out of curiosity ) I dont know if it the test tells you if the worms your horse have are sensitive to & or the resistant medications to the current wormers available. As I keep hearing about resistance due to over use of wormers.

Worm tests/programmes are mostly good marketing and a way to capture sales.

Your horse sounds perfectly healthy.
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I don't buy wormers from Westgate labs: I am saving money and NOT poisoning the horse when it is not needed.
The worm count is for eggs only, so won't show encysted. I don't think any test could report your own horses' sensitivity. If you want more info on worming programs I suggest you look at Westgate Labs site and ring them if any more questions.
Most vet[industry designed?] worm programmes recommended 5 wormers per year with no consideration of grazing, age etc., therefore they assumed the worse scenario, this was a good way of selling wormers, but not good horse management.... not that I would EVER criticise the veterinary industry [not half!!!]
 
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