worming can cause laminitus

[westparc]

i posted a few days ago about my friends horse becoming very sore suddenly

she phoned a specialist farrier and before she mentioned anything he mentioned whether he hadbeen wormed

apparently horse wormers can give a mild form of laminitus and some are worse than others and barefoot horses notice more than shod ones

i thourght this was very interesting

 

[monkeybum13]

hmm interesting, do you have any more research into this?
I have had 2 barfeoot with no signs of lami from wormers.

 

[westparc]

no but she keeps records and the last time he was really bad he had been wormed and strange a farrier picks up on it through a vage conveersation
im going to ask my farrier next time

 

[ester]

I would be very interested in what the farrier thinks is in the wormers that would cause laminitis.

 

[Chico Mio]

Right, what wormer did she use? Do you know?

 

[westparc]

its more ivermectim wormers apparently

 

[rascal]

Our pony is affected by wormers, but we find if we give him Laminshield for a few days before and after hes fine.

 

[MrMeldrew]

I think this probably has something to do with how a wormer may affect the gut which in turn may affect those prone to laminitis. I always give my laminitic a probiotic before worming.

 

[Nari]

The Laminitis Trust do mention that worming can be a trigger for some horses, http://www.laminitis.org/laminitis.html . Look under point 6, stress.

 

[Persephone]

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I think this probably has something to do with how a wormer may affect the gut which in turn may affect those prone to laminitis. I always give my laminitic a probiotic before worming.

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This is correct apparently. Wormers can upset the bacteria in the gut. I don't know all the ins and outs tbh but I know that Founderguard is a narrow spectrum antibiotic and is 99. something effective in preventing grain laminitis.

I had a chronic laminitic and on my vet's advice she was always worm counted & blood tested and only wormed as a last resort, because of the risk it posed.

ETS Disclaimer! this was 3 + years ago now

 

[cptrayes]

This has been reported by people with barefoot horses, on uknhcp.myfastforum.org

Sensitivity can be to all wormers, but if the horse is sensitive then 13 week moxidectin which is stored in the body will have an impact for far longer than the other wormers, which are not stored.

Apparently, many people give a liver detox program before and after worming. I don't know what it is, you'd need to ask the guys on the forum for details if people here can't tell you.

I suspect that the "specialist" farrier who she talked to was one of the farrier members of uknhcp. Paul Johnson is particularly acute and on the ball about wormer issues in laminitics.

And barefooters will be more affected than shod horses by the wormer phenomenon because there are lots of us experiencing the fact that they are more sensitive to very early laminitic changes than shod horses.

I hope your friend's horse recovers soon.

 

[Persephone]

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And barefooters will be more affected than shod horses by the wormer phenomenon because there are lots of us experiencing the fact that they are more sensitive to very early laminitic changes than shod horses.



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Why?

 

[MrMeldrew]

* grabs popcorn

 

[Persephone]

There is obviously no answer!

 

[cptrayes]

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And barefooters will be more affected than shod horses by the wormer phenomenon because there are lots of us experiencing the fact that they are more sensitive to very early laminitic changes than shod horses.



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Why?

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No answer? I don't stay logged on here 24 hours a day folks!

Because they have a greater blood supply to the foot. The bugs that cause the inflammation are carried from the gut in the blood and if more blood gets to the foot then more bugs do too. The laminae will therefore inflame earlier in an unshod horse. Barefoot horses also walk on their soles, unlike shod horses, so they are in a better position to tell their owner if they are feeling any sensitivity in the sole. So the owner will also notice sensitivity earlier.