Worming help please!

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philamena

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Hi

Have been digging around for advice on this and have found lots of useful info, but nothing that specifically answers my problem because I think I've set us off in slightly the wrong direction: Here's the background: I've had my horse 8 weeks. I'm not sure why, but I failed to do the usual Panacur 5 day on arrival (lesson learned).

About 3-4 weeks ago I found live pinworms in her poo. So on YO's advice gave her Equest Pramox because we were approaching that time anyway. Today I've found a couple of live redworms in her poo. Not loads by any means, but certainly some.

Question 1: Am I right in thinking these will have come out because the Pramox paralysed them and she passed them? It seems like a long time after the worming though?

Question 2: Am i right that this means she now needs treating for encysted red worm because the Pramox doesn't touch them, but the passing of the live ones means there will be encysted there?

And Question 3: Am I safe to do a Panacur 5 Day now, even though the Pramox is technically still 'working' for 13 weeks?

I know some say Panacur's less effective than the other option for encysted redworms, but given I don't know her worming history I'm thinking I'd be better going with the gentler option in case she' got a hefty burden?

Any advice gratefully received!

Thanks :)
 
Hi, I feel for you I have been having a battle with pinworms with one of my mares for around a year now.
Be careful Pramox is powerful and I personally would never use it again especially on something I thought may be carrying worms or onknown history.
In my experience Pramox doesn't touch pinworms, for those you need to go back to panacur 5 day and then strongid P 4 weeks after that. However I have found painting oil/vaseline around her bottom tends to help massively as then the little blighters can't get out to lay the eggs.
The other thing is to make sure any areas shes rubbed her bottom are disinfected throughly same with rugs.

They are a nightmare and apparently a lot of the modern wormers don't touch them so they are becoming much more problematic. The vets keep assuring me that they do no harm but I have to say I am not convinced as this particular mare did suffer an impaction colic this year for no apparent reason.

Can't answer your question 3 but hopefully someone more knowledgable will be along shortly :-)
 
Thanks Salcey, this is really useful. It's depressing that so many people seem to have an ongoing battle with pinworm :( And the redworms really freaked me out because they do do real damage inside.

From other advice I think it's safe to go ahead with the panacur 5 day. I had also heard that Strongid P is useful for pinworm so I'll look into a dose of that 4 weeks later (or double? or is that only nec for tape?) and I'll try the vaseline idea too. Thanks for your help.
 
Pramox does deal with encysted so you don't need anything for that. I too have heard that Pramox and Equest don't touch pinworms.

We use worm counts and worm twice a year for tape,bots, encysted worms and the like. Far better to know if your horse has a burden or not and often you can reduce the amount of wormers pumped into your horse. May be worth pointing your YO in the direction of Westgate Labs.

Good luck with the pinworm, they seem to be so difficult to shift
 
Thanks ISHmad. That's what the yard routine usually is, worm counting and dealing as needed, except the traditional annual routine for tape. Thing is, I could count these worms with my eyes (ick) so know they're there. Want to get her clear and then definitely move onto the worm count routine so we know what we're dealing with and not adding to the resistance problem.

Thanks - I'll let you know if we manage to shift the little pin blighters!
 
If your yard uses a company like Westgate Labs or Intelligent Worming to do their worm counts then I'm pretty sure they would be happy to advise on what to do next. If not then maybe ring your vets and see what they say.

Personally I would be cautious of giving more wormers so soon after worming with pramox.

As ISHmad says you have already covered encysted so if you are set on worming again I would be inclined to try something from a different chemical group either Pyrantel or Ivermectin. Both cover redworms and adult pin worms (Ivermectin covers immature pinworms too).

Don't worry too much, you are headed in the right direction. Get some professional advice, get her onto the wormcounts and don't forget, if you have turned her out with others they may have higher counts next time and need worming because no matter how you manage your fields chances are there will be some cross infection.

My youngsters first count came back at 3050epg and brought my mares count up to 200epg. They had to be turned out together from day 1 I didn't have a choice. Both are now back to clear counts after an equest and a routine annual equest pramox.

Hope you get sorted ;)
 
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