Worming question

[santas_spotty_pony]

My horses are due to be wormed. Is there any thing I can use that treats redworm and tapeworm apart from Pramox. Am I right in thinking Eqvalan Duo treats both? Is it just the encysted redworm that it doesn’t treat so will I need to do that separately in February?

I might have to get Pramox at this rate but just seen the price, I think it’s gone up again!!

 

[darcip]

that’s what I’m doing. equimax now, Equest Feb/jan time. Prefer not to use Pramox on my shetties

 

[Bobthecob15]

Equimax

 

[poiuytrewq]

that’s what I’m doing. equimax now, Equest Feb/jan time. Prefer not to use Pramox on my shetties

Same! I have two ponies in their 30’s so don’t like to pramox them just in case!
So I either Equimax or Mole mec plus now for tapes and then will use Equest in January.

 

[Borderreiver]

Do they need worming for tapes? Most horses don’t. Equisal test will tell you.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Do they need worming for tapes? Most horses don’t. Equisal test will tell you.

Agree. In my situ though my area has a very high mite burden in summer and mites are known to carry tape worm so I just worm as a matter of course for them.
I know it’s likely they will have them, In spring I don’t mind testing.

 

[HJJ]

Just posting for awareness:

https://canterforhorses.org.uk/resistance/

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Equimax does tape equestrian does encysted you can't do them together so tape now and equest in January.

Pramox is the only wormer that does both.

 

[Miss_Millie]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the point of using Pramox on a horse with a very low WEC as a matter of routine.

If there aren't many worms to begin with then they aren't there in the first place to encyst into the gut?

I always thought that to combat resistance, horses should only be wormed with Equest Pramox if they generally have a worm burden, because there is a higher likelihood that those worms will encyst in the Winter.

I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this though.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the point of using Pramox on a horse with a very low WEC as a matter of routine.

If there aren't many worms to begin with then they aren't there in the first place to encyst into the gut?

I always thought that to combat resistance, horses should only be wormed with Equest Pramox if they generally have a worm burden, because there is a higher likelihood that those worms will encyst in the Winter.

I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this though.

I wouldn't use pramox on any horse but definitely not on something that has a burden.

If something has a high burden it has to be treated slowly as it can cause massive disruption to the gut.

pramox is 2 different chemicals its strong and harsh.

 

[Overstone stud]

Look up CANTER group on wormers

 

[Tiddlypom]

Look up CANTER group on wormers

Why?

 

[SEL]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the point of using Pramox on a horse with a very low WEC as a matter of routine.

If there aren't many worms to begin with then they aren't there in the first place to encyst into the gut?

I always thought that to combat resistance, horses should only be wormed with Equest Pramox if they generally have a worm burden, because there is a higher likelihood that those worms will encyst in the Winter.

I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this though.

I asked Westgate about this. I've got one who has had zero FEC and equisal for years so I asked if that meant her risk of encysted was so low as to not require worming.

Their advice was to blood test her. I was a bit irritated tbh - I'm not spending a fortune on a blood test versus a tube of Equest.

 

[anglo]

You can test for most worms and its not expensive . I test and worm only when needed .

 

[SEL]

You can test for most worms and its not expensive . I test and worm only when needed .

I think testing for encysted is expensive once you include the blood draw, call out and the actual test

 

[Tiddlypom]

FWECs are cheap enough, but blood tests aren’t.

 

[Overstone stud]

Why?

CANTER is a vet group working on the over use of wormers and concerns about overuse causing them to lose effects

 

[SussexbytheXmasTree]

I’ve just had both my horses blood tested for encysted and tape as they were having strangles tests for the yard move. Interestingly both tested no eggs seen on recent worm count, they’ve never had a high egg count. Both were wormed with Equest Pramox in January. My older horse has been wormed with Equest Pramox every January the 6 yrs I’ve had him but he’s come up very high for encysted despite that. He did eat the mares poo he was out with this summer and she had a high encysted despite worming so I’m not sure if that contributed. Haven’t got tape results back yet. My younger horse had colic after the EP last time so I won’t be using that again.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I think testing for encysted is expensive once you include the blood draw, call out and the actual test

They are not cheap I had several done for Arabi when he had had a few colic episodes.

 

[santas_spotty_pony]

If I was going to use Pramox then (I don’t think I am) but if I was would I be better waiting to work until Jan/Feb time?

 

[darcip]

If I was going to use Pramox then (I don’t think I am) but if I was would I be better waiting to work until Jan/Feb time

Westgate labs advices December-febuary time

Is it time to worm for encysted redworm?

www.westgatelabs.co.uk

 

[Bellaboo18]

If I was going to use Pramox then (I don’t think I am) but if I was would I be better waiting to work until Jan/Feb time?

Yes. This is what Westgate labs posted about worming after the first frost.

 

[soloequestrian]

To answer the initial question, a double dose of pyrantel will treat both tapes and redworms. I used Embotape this time for the ones who had a recommendation to treat for tapes from their saliva test.

 

[Borderreiver]

CANTER is a vet group working on the over use of wormers and concerns about overuse causing them to lose effects

It’s actually a pan industry group with vets, SQPs and worm count specialists coming together to combat resistance.

 

[SEL]

I’ve just had both my horses blood tested for encysted and tape as they were having strangles tests for the yard move. Interestingly both tested no eggs seen on recent worm count, they’ve never had a high egg count. Both were wormed with Equest Pramox in January. My older horse has been wormed with Equest Pramox every January the 6 yrs I’ve had him but he’s come up very high for encysted despite that. He did eat the mares poo he was out with this summer and she had a high encysted despite worming so I’m not sure if that contributed. Haven’t got tape results back yet. My younger horse had colic after the EP last time so I won’t be using that again.

That's interesting and the kind of info I was hoping to get - ie clear FEC does not mean clear for encysted.

 

[santas_spotty_pony]

Another question, to save me making a new thread, do tapeworms die in any temperature then?

 

[darcip]

Another question, to save me making a new thread, do tapeworms die in any temperature then?

Not 100% sure but it says as long as you test/worm 6 months apart doesn’t matter when

Tapeworm

www.westgatelabs.co.uk

 

[SussexbytheXmasTree]

Got my tape results back and both were very low and don’t need worming for tape. So worming wise my 6yr old doesn’t need any and my 15yr old will be wormed with Equest for the encysted.