Worming question

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My horses are due to be wormed. Is there any thing I can use that treats redworm and tapeworm apart from Pramox. Am I right in thinking Eqvalan Duo treats both? Is it just the encysted redworm that it doesn’t treat so will I need to do that separately in February?

I might have to get Pramox at this rate but just seen the price, I think it’s gone up again!! 😬
 
Borderreiver said:
Do they need worming for tapes? Most horses don’t. Equisal test will tell you.
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Agree. In my situ though my area has a very high mite burden in summer and mites are known to carry tape worm so I just worm as a matter of course for them.
I know it’s likely they will have them, In spring I don’t mind testing.
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the point of using Pramox on a horse with a very low WEC as a matter of routine.

If there aren't many worms to begin with then they aren't there in the first place to encyst into the gut?

I always thought that to combat resistance, horses should only be wormed with Equest Pramox if they generally have a worm burden, because there is a higher likelihood that those worms will encyst in the Winter.

I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this though.
 
Miss_Millie said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the point of using Pramox on a horse with a very low WEC as a matter of routine.

If there aren't many worms to begin with then they aren't there in the first place to encyst into the gut?

I always thought that to combat resistance, horses should only be wormed with Equest Pramox if they generally have a worm burden, because there is a higher likelihood that those worms will encyst in the Winter.

I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this though.
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I wouldn't use pramox on any horse but definitely not on something that has a burden.

If something has a high burden it has to be treated slowly as it can cause massive disruption to the gut.

pramox is 2 different chemicals its strong and harsh.
 
Miss_Millie said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the point of using Pramox on a horse with a very low WEC as a matter of routine.

If there aren't many worms to begin with then they aren't there in the first place to encyst into the gut?

I always thought that to combat resistance, horses should only be wormed with Equest Pramox if they generally have a worm burden, because there is a higher likelihood that those worms will encyst in the Winter.

I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this though.
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I asked Westgate about this. I've got one who has had zero FEC and equisal for years so I asked if that meant her risk of encysted was so low as to not require worming.

Their advice was to blood test her. I was a bit irritated tbh - I'm not spending a fortune on a blood test versus a tube of Equest.
 
I’ve just had both my horses blood tested for encysted and tape as they were having strangles tests for the yard move. Interestingly both tested no eggs seen on recent worm count, they’ve never had a high egg count. Both were wormed with Equest Pramox in January. My older horse has been wormed with Equest Pramox every January the 6 yrs I’ve had him but he’s come up very high for encysted despite that. He did eat the mares poo he was out with this summer and she had a high encysted despite worming so I’m not sure if that contributed. Haven’t got tape results back yet. My younger horse had colic after the EP last time so I won’t be using that again.
 
To answer the initial question, a double dose of pyrantel will treat both tapes and redworms. I used Embotape this time for the ones who had a recommendation to treat for tapes from their saliva test.
 
Sussexbythesea said:
I’ve just had both my horses blood tested for encysted and tape as they were having strangles tests for the yard move. Interestingly both tested no eggs seen on recent worm count, they’ve never had a high egg count. Both were wormed with Equest Pramox in January. My older horse has been wormed with Equest Pramox every January the 6 yrs I’ve had him but he’s come up very high for encysted despite that. He did eat the mares poo he was out with this summer and she had a high encysted despite worming so I’m not sure if that contributed. Haven’t got tape results back yet. My younger horse had colic after the EP last time so I won’t be using that again.
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That's interesting and the kind of info I was hoping to get - ie clear FEC does not mean clear for encysted.
 
Got my tape results back and both were very low and don’t need worming for tape. So worming wise my 6yr old doesn’t need any and my 15yr old will be wormed with Equest for the encysted.
 
spotty_pony2 said:
Another question, to save me making a new thread, do tapeworms die in any temperature then?
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No.
Tapeworms live in your horse so the temperature is always perfect for them. They attach themselves in an area between the large and small intestines. As they mature, they release their end segments or “proglottids”, which contain eggs. These segments break down in the manure and Orabatid mites eat the eggs. The eggs form a cyst in the mite, horses ingest the mites while grazing and the cycle continues.
Mites are killed off in prolonged cold temperatures, so by treating for tapeworm then, your horse gets longer before reinfection.
 
I’ve got myself in a pickle.
Both horses were FEC in December and both were low counts; no wormer advised.
Also had equisal tests and one came back just high enough to warrant worming with Equimax as advised by the vet. This was done Christmas week.
Now my YO is pushing for me to worm for encysted redworm.
Normally both horses would have had Equest Pramox in late December which would have covered this….but I followed the vets advice 🤦🏻‍♀️
So what wormer to use for encysted red worm that isn’t overkill? (Plain Equest? Not Pramox)
And for the one treated with Equimax in December, do I need to leave more of a gap between wormers?
 
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