Worming-trying to cover as much as poss without ivermectin

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Equest/pramox being a no no what do I use to worm to try and cover most worms/bots/tapes/pinworm/ascarids ......

Ive been researching and so far Ive come up with.... Once worm count has been done... am happy to worm for everthing except tape and then cover tape in 6 weeks time ?

Strongid P - x 2 but says its covers gut-dwelling roundworms and x2 for tape. What about bot/pin/ascarids.

Panacur - wont do bots and tape

http://www.wormers.co.uk/acatalog/Telmin_Paste.html

Telmin - Never heard of it, cover intestinal worm ...... which ones ??

http://www.wormers.co.uk/acatalog/Exodus_1.html

Exodus - appears to cover it all accept bot and x2 for tape, but again not heard of it.

http://www.wormers.co.uk/acatalog/Pyratape.html
Pyratape P - seems same as exodus.

http://www.wormers.co.uk/acatalog/Embotape_Paste.html
Embotape - same as exodus and pyratape P

Anyone had good or bad experiances with any of the above ?
 
My vet recommended Strongid-P to me when I said I wanted to avoid ivermectin In fact strongid-P is their wormer of choice anyway. i have a sachet here and on the back it says its for large an small redworms [strongyles ] and pinworm or seatworm and tapeworm [ anoplocephala perfoliata]at doubledose.
 
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If you won't use Equest then there is only Panacur guard to cover encysted worms, that is if your horse doesn't have resistant strains.

You can't treat bots without using either ivermectin or moxidectin.

You can cover tapes with either 2 x pyrantel (strongid p, Exodus, Embotape) or with Equitape single dose.

Why not use plain Equest and then add an Equitape a few weeks later? Is your horse not able to have Equest? You will hear good and bad about most wormers to be honest.

Unless your horse actually has pinworm then no need to factor that in.
 
Strongid P double dose is a useful treatment for the most common tapeworm affecting horses. However for redworm it has limited effect, will not treat encysted stages, there is worm resistance and you would have to use it every 4-6 weeks as a routine wormer.
 
\i wormed at double dose 6 weeks ago for tapeworm next time I worm its going to be with Panacur which kills ascarids my horses are yearlings and need treating for these.
 
Borderreiver said:
If you won't use Equest then there is only Panacur guard to cover encysted worms, that is if your horse doesn't have resistant strains.

You can't treat bots without using either ivermectin or moxidectin.

You can cover tapes with either 2 x pyrantel (strongid p, Exodus, Embotape) or with Equitape single dose.

Why not use plain Equest and then add an Equitape a few weeks later? Is your horse not able to have Equest? You will hear good and bad about most wormers to be honest.

Unless your horse actually has pinworm then no need to factor that in.
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Would panacur guard cover everything except tape and bots ?

Its not it cant have equest Im just a bit cautious after the whole equest/pramox thing that seems to be appearing.

If it has a low worm count does it pose less of a risk than something that has a high worm count ?
 
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Moxidectin and praziquantal will kill all encysted worms and tape worms after the first frost. followed 12 weeks later by an ivermectin wormer which will last 8 weeks. You must be sure that your horse is appropriatly wormed to date. You wouldn't want to give a thorough dosing to a horse with an already large worm burden, as the mass passing of dead worms can cause an intestinal blockage. With that said, go to your local wormer supplier and ask for the SQP. He/she should provide you with an appropriate worming plan for your horse.
Don't leave your horses health to a bunch of strangers on a forum, however well meaning they may be.
 
Ive never had any probs with ivermectin or moxydectin wormers, im pretty sure most wormers will have caused reactions in horses at some point, just as drugs can in humans, just weigh up your horses general health, worming history and age, ensuring you dose correctly
 
I think most of the issues have not been with Equest, but with Pramox as pramox is a do everything wormer and is just such a blast to the horses system that some horses dont seem to cope very well with it.

I dont use Pramox. If using equest just make sure that you dont introduce any other upsets near that time (eg flu jabs, I had a bad experience when they were close together) and that horse is in decent health and pref also feed pink powder/other prebiotic for a couple of weeks beforehand.

I have successfully managed to use Equest on a very very delicate colic prone horse by following the above; . Other than that I have used worm counts and for tapeworm I would strongly recommend getting the vet to do the blood test for tapes so you can know whether a tapewormer is needed. If test is negative the land is likely to be clear of tapes and horse is likely to stay clear for quite a while (vet said test any clear horses every 2/3 years, horses with positive result need testing every year). If a positive test, use a pure tapeworm wormer.

I think that using very targeted wormers that are directed at the specific need is far less likely to cause an issue that trying to use catch all wormers which might release a large worm burden of multiple types in one go. So for me that means Equest for encysted redworm, worm count for the rest and blood test for tapeworm then using specific tapewormer if positive result.
 
Ringworm the Red Nosed Reindeer said:
With that said, go to your local wormer supplier and ask for the SQP. He/she should provide you with an appropriate worming plan for your horse.
Don't leave your horses health to a bunch of strangers on a forum, however well meaning they may be.
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don't want to appear a bit rude here but Bordereiver is a very qualified SQP as I think most people realise. :D
She has given a lot of good advice on various threads on here.
 
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