Worms - help!

[Sossigpoker]

My horse has been regularly egg counted and the counts have been OK. About 10 days ago moved to new yard and pasture. I've since been told that the previous occupants who were kicked out around April didnt all worm their horses! So now mine has come with 1300 for red worms!
I've emailed Westgate back , as they requested , with the above info.
Does anyone know if mine will now continue to get infected, despite the obvious worming , if he gets turned out in the same place ?
I've never had such a high count as always been on yards where worms are controlled so I'm freaking out a bit!

 

[Barton Bounty]

As soon as I planned to turn out on the new yard, id have wormed immediately, im paranoid about worms, better to be safe

 

[Barton Bounty]

Also adding, I do not trust the worm count process.. two friends with horses have both had wrong counts given back and the horses colicked. Thankfully they both survived

 

[SEL]

Have you wormed with Equest? It lasts about 12 weeks in their system so I'd re-test then and be on top of poo picking.

Did you also test for tapeworm? I've found that more challenging to shift if wormy horses have been on the fields

 

[Sossigpoker]

Have you wormed with Equest? It lasts about 12 weeks in their system so I'd re-test then and be on top of poo picking.

Did you also test for tapeworm? I've found that more challenging to shift if wormy horses have been on the fields

Yes he had Equest in Jan and has had the tape worm test and egg count since.

As I've come from a shoddy yard, there's of course a chance that they have not collected the poo samples correctly for egg counting or even mixed the samples !

 

[Barton Bounty]

Yes he had Equest in Jan and has had the tape worm test and egg count since.

As I've come from a shoddy yard, there's of course a chance that they have not collected the poo samples correctly for egg counting or even mixed the samples !

Thats what worries me mixing samples up. Clearly done from two ayrshire private yards this year. Told the horses were fine and well below but the truth was opposite…

 

[TheMule]

Thats what worries me mixing samples up. Clearly done from two ayrshire private yards this year. Told the horses were fine and well below but the truth was opposite…

That's much more likely to be due to the fact that worm egg counts are not representative of the actual worm burden. Worms have a life cycle and sometimes the shed eggs, sometimes they don’t.

Re the OP- I'd be amazed if the horses have managed to ingest eggs on the pasture, the worm to go through a full maturation and shed eggs in the space of 10 days….

 

[Sossigpoker]

That's much more likely to be due to the fact that worm egg counts are not representative of the actual worm burden. Worms have a life cycle and sometimes the shed eggs, sometimes they don’t.

Re the OP- I'd be amazed if the horses have managed to ingest eggs on the pasture, the worm to go through a full maturation and shed eggs in the space of 10 days….

Yes I just thought that too.
I think whats happened is this:
I was supposed to have my set paddock at old (shoddy) yard. Then suddenly it wasn't mine after all and he had to move. He went into a field where a yearling had been with a high egg count. The poo picking was shoddy as well. So I think he's picked up the larvae or eggs from there.

I'm so glad I'm out of there and can manage him myself now- and do it properly.

 

[paddy555]

Thats what worries me mixing samples up. Clearly done from two ayrshire private yards this year. Told the horses were fine and well below but the truth was opposite…

but that is nothing to do with the worm counting process ie the work done by Westgate or whoever. It is down too human error or human carelessness by the person collecting and submitting the dung.

I've worm counted my many horses since around 2005 or earlier and they have all come back with either the results I anticipated or results that could be explained. I was the one who collected them however

SP, forget the past, it is what it is. Ask Westgate what to do but I would probably use equest now and then do a resistance test in say 2 weeks (another worm count)
I would do a tapeworm saliva test now.

Once you have your resistance test results and tapeworm results which should come through at more or less the same time you will have a better idea what the future is.

Re the OP- I'd be amazed if the horses have managed to ingest eggs on the pasture, the worm to go through a full maturation and shed eggs in the space of 10 days….

does seem to be somewhat high speed.

I would definitely not use pramox even though it may seem easier just to use that.

 

[Sossigpoker]

but that is nothing to do with the worm counting process ie the work done by Westgate or whoever. It is down too human error or human carelessness by the person collecting and submitting the dung.

I've worm counted my many horses since around 2005 or earlier and they have all come back with either the results I anticipated or results that could be explained. I was the one who collected them however

SP, forget the past, it is what it is. Ask Westgate what to do but I would probably use equest now and then do a resistance test in say 2 weeks (another worm count)
I would do a tapeworm saliva test now.

Once you have your resistance test results and tapeworm results which should come through at more or less the same time you will have a better idea what the future is.

does seem to be somewhat high speed.

I would definitely not use pramox even though it may seem easier just to use that.

Why not Pramox? (Obviously will go with whatever Westgate advice)

 

[paddy555]

Why not Pramox? (Obviously will go with whatever Westgate advice)

because I would prefer your horse to still be alive and you not to have vet bills.

seriously search on here for pramox. There have been a lot of problems.

 

[Sossigpoker]

because I would prefer your horse to still be alive and you not to have vet bills.

seriously search on here for pramox. There have been a lot of problems.

Oh didn't know that. I think he had that for encysted red worm in January .
Edit he had the green one as remember the box

 

[paddy555]

Oh didn't know that. I think he had that for encysted red worm in January .

you said earlier he had equest. Equest is only half of pramox, the other half is praziquantal.

a lot of people separate wormers because we find it safer. Equest (moxidectin used as little as possible) and ivermectin or panacur (febendazole and a lot of resistance) if your worm count is high

As you can no longer buy praziquantal on it's own you have to use something like eqvalan duo which is a mix of ivermectin and praz, to do tapeworm. Alternatively you can use double strongid.

That is why it is important to find out exactly what you are dealing with rather than just grabbing pramox which seems a good idea but may well turn out not to be.

All those earlier pramox threads are well worth reading so you can form an opinion as to what is best for you.

 

[Sossigpoker]

you said earlier he had equest. Equest is only half of pramox, the other half is praziquantal.

a lot of people separate wormers because we find it safer. Equest (moxidectin used as little as possible) and ivermectin or panacur (febendazole and a lot of resistance) if your worm count is high

As you can no longer buy praziquantal on it's own you have to use something like eqvalan duo which is a mix of ivermectin and praz, to do tapeworm. Alternatively you can use double strongid.

That is why it is important to find out exactly what you are dealing with rather than just grabbing pramox which seems a good idea but may well turn out not to be.

All those earlier pramox threads are well worth reading so you can form an opinion as to what is best for you.

He has red worms so he wouldn't have the Pramox in any case as that's for red and tape worm.

 

[SEL]

I've always found Westgate generous with advice but just stay on top of testing this year and you'll see if you've shifted them.

 

[poiuytrewq]

That's much more likely to be due to the fact that worm egg counts are not representative of the actual worm burden. Worms have a life cycle and sometimes the shed eggs, sometimes they don’t.

Re the OP- I'd be amazed if the horses have managed to ingest eggs on the pasture, the worm to go through a full maturation and shed eggs in the space of 10 days….

Agree, that’s what I was thinking. 10
Days is surely just not long enough to make such a marked difference.

 

[ycbm]

Also adding, I do not trust the worm count process.. two friends with horses have both had wrong counts given back and the horses colicked. Thankfully they both survived

That may not be the fault of the worm egg count. Colic is caused by tapeworm burden usually and you can't worm count for tapeworm. And many of the wormers sold don't do tapeworm.

 

[Sossigpoker]

Agree, that’s what I was thinking. 10
Days is surely just not long enough to make such a marked difference.

Westgate suspect it's the stress of moving that's made him more susceptible and the carried worm load that may have been low -moderate has now massively increased. They recommend Equimax and then do egg count and tape worm test in September.