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Our whole yard was wormed with Equimax on monday and both yesterday and today i have found a number of dead red worms in one of my horses droppings....i have been checking other horse poo on the yard (not something i enjoy doing!) and can not see any trace of anything in theirs!
Obvoiusly i'm pleased they are dead but i'm paranoid it means she's riddled with worms!?
We always worm to a tight schedule, sheep often graze on the fields and the fields are huge and not overgrazed...she is not underweight or showing any obvious external signs (ie tucked up/colicy etc) of being infested but i know that can mean nothing! As she is only 4 it was suggested that she can 'flush'any worms out her system more easily than older horses hence the reason i am finding them.
I guess i need to get a worm count done...i just wondered if anyone else experiences this after worming? may sound really stupid but its just not something i've noticed before!
 
Only on a young horse who came from a dealer, (saw round worms in poo before worming and red worms after)!!! I would get a worm count done in couple of week to check she is clear.
 
definatly get a worm count done....you may need to change what you are worming with..you horse may be more susecitable than others...the worm count will tell you more
 
Never noticed any worms in any of mine and since I have a clean field regime have now got 50> counts (none detected) in all my five.

A visitor did have worms in his droppings after worming him - bots and red.
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Probably because she is young and has less resistance to worms than other horses on the yard.
It sounds like your worming schedule is OK as long as you change wormer groups
ivermectin/moxidectin one year and pyrantel the following year
 
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Our whole yard was wormed with Equimax on monday and both yesterday and today i have found a number of dead red worms in one of my horses droppings....i have been checking other horse poo on the yard (not something i enjoy doing!) and can not see any trace of anything in theirs!
Obvoiusly i'm pleased they are dead but i'm paranoid it means she's riddled with worms!?
We always worm to a tight schedule, sheep often graze on the fields and the fields are huge and not overgrazed...she is not underweight or showing any obvious external signs (ie tucked up/colicy etc) of being infested but i know that can mean nothing! As she is only 4 it was suggested that she can 'flush'any worms out her system more easily than older horses hence the reason i am finding them.
I guess i need to get a worm count done...i just wondered if anyone else experiences this after worming? may sound really stupid but its just not something i've noticed before!

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Youngsters are more prone to worm burdens than older horses (as they age they are thought to acquire some immunity to them) so your youngster will just have more worms.
Really you should worm her in the spring and autumn with either Panacur Guard (5 Day treatment) or Equest (moxidectin) as these two drugs are the effective ones against encysted small red worms...you should also worm in spring and autumn with a wormer for tapeworm...such as Pyratape P or Strongid P (at double the normal dose, given together).
Worm counts are a good idea...as is poo picking and sheep grazing...but first I would worm her with Equest, maybe in a couple of weeks, to make sure you are getting rid of the encysted wormies too.
Remember that you could have 10 horses on the same worming programme - and some may have no worm eggs shown in the count, some middling levels, and some very high counts - horses are all different.
Hope this helps you.
S
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PS Forgot to say you should make sure you worm for Bots too in about December each year.
 
less than 50 counts!! that is brilliant! by clean field regime do you mean you remove the droppings daily? Due to the size of our fields we've never been very good at this...I think i need to persuade my field members to grab a wheelbarrow!
 
Many years ago! My horse came off the New Forest and when we wormed him his poo was RED!!!!! So badly infested! Now we are talking 30 years ago so then we just wormed him again after "I think" 2 weeks. More came out but ever since he has been ok.

Little worming occurred then so I really think it would be different today!
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Dont feel confident enough to advise you but I am sure others will be able to! Just wanted to let you know you are not alone!
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less than 50 counts!! that is brilliant! by clean field regime do you mean you remove the droppings daily? Due to the size of our fields we've never been very good at this...I think i need to persuade my field members to grab a wheelbarrow!

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You really need to try to pick up the poo within a couple of days of it er....landing....and certainly within a week if you want to stop the wrigglies from crawling all over your grass.
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Shils you are truely a fountain of worm knowledge!!
I send my horse poo to labs (cant remember the name of the lab) £6.50 for worm count per horse and all 3 of mine have <50 (none found). I pick up after them every day if I can
 
Get a worm count done in four weeks' time and then worm according to that, some horses are just susceptable to worms, others seem to have a resistance.
Even if you worm your horse it's eay to miss the second lot of worms that hatch and emerge, the first lot appear in the lumen, a week or so later the next lot are from the stomach wall, this is why panacur used to be a five day dose, to get both lots.
The worming manufacturers will admit to this if pressed, but of course know full well the cost of using two expensive wormers a week apart would make many people blanch at the cost.
We had a new horse arrive and be wormed on arrival, we nearly killed it off because of the massive burden it was carrying unknown to it's owner who had wormed religiously for months. It ended up with gangrene and in the equine hospital, I rang the wormers' manufacturer and got told the reasons above.
makes you think doesn't it?
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Worm counts are a better solution in my opinion, then when you do worm, it's for the right reasons .
 
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But some worms don't show up in worm counts.

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Encysted redworm, bots and tapeworm, I believe.
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These show up in blood tests though, if people are really worried
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Our whole yard was wormed with Equimax on monday and both yesterday and today i have found a number of dead red worms in one of my horses droppings....i have been checking other horse poo on the yard (not something i enjoy doing!) and can not see any trace of anything in theirs!
Obvoiusly i'm pleased they are dead but i'm paranoid it means she's riddled with worms!?
We always worm to a tight schedule, sheep often graze on the fields and the fields are huge and not overgrazed...she is not underweight or showing any obvious external signs (ie tucked up/colicy etc) of being infested but i know that can mean nothing! As she is only 4 it was suggested that she can 'flush'any worms out her system more easily than older horses hence the reason i am finding them.
I guess i need to get a worm count done...i just wondered if anyone else experiences this after worming? may sound really stupid but its just not something i've noticed before!

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Youngsters are more prone to worm burdens than older horses (as they age they are thought to acquire some immunity to them) so your youngster will just have more worms.
Really you should worm her in the spring and autumn with either Panacur Guard (5 Day treatment) or Equest (moxidectin) as these two drugs are the effective ones against encysted small red worms...you should also worm in spring and autumn with a wormer for tapeworm...such as Pyratape P or Strongid P (at double the normal dose, given together).
Worm counts are a good idea...as is poo picking and sheep grazing...but first I would worm her with Equest, maybe in a couple of weeks, to make sure you are getting rid of the encysted wormies too.
Remember that you could have 10 horses on the same worming programme - and some may have no worm eggs shown in the count, some middling levels, and some very high counts - horses are all different.
Hope this helps you.
S
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PS Forgot to say you should make sure you worm for Bots too in about December each year.

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Excellent advice. May i also add as you realy need to do something about the encysred redworms now. As you have not used the product for these you can,. When the larva are killed off the encysted larva are encouraged to come out on-mass. Seeing worms in the droppings means there is a big problem.
 
My old loan horse had never been wormed for tapeworm when I took him on, and after he was done I found segments of tapeworm in his droppings
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I think he'd suffered from worm damage as he struggled to maintain weight, and suffered from numerous bouts of colic
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