Worms - what are these?

[dorsetladette]

Im not winning the battle. 2 yoingsters just seem to continually have worms. These are tiny in comparison to what we were dealing with at the beginning of the year.
March sent a photo of gigantic worm to vet. Sent me the blue equest, wormed, 2 weeks later sent vet poo sample which came back all good. May worms found on droppings again. Wormed whole herd with pyrtape (excuse spelling) then did babies again 14 days after. Sent poo samples off again and all came back good. Now we're seeing these again. No sign of pon worm round bums not rubbing bums or tails. Reggie has a pop belly but I thought it was a hay belly or because he's an odd shaped baby whos had a bad start.
Ive ordered eqvalan to worm everyone again. I'm thinking their roundworm as no white stuff round bottoms, but I'm not sure anymore.
We poo pick daily, cross graze with sheep, rest gound and worm count/worm twice yearly. No horses have moved on or off since reggie arrived in feb. He was wormed and isolated before being introduced to the herd.

 

[HappyHollyDays]

I also thought roundworm but if it’s got a pointy end it could be pinworm. Can’t really see from the photos.

 

[TreeDog]

Looks like pin worm to me. I don't think think they show up in poo counts (but happy to be corrected on that). My youngster had them in poos for a few months but no other symptoms, I gave a pyrantel based wormer (strongid p I think) and then again 8 weeks later. Not seen them since, touch wood!

Edited to add, mine only the had the odd one or two in a single poo, and then wouldn't see them again for a few weeks.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Ask Westgate for advice. They were super helpful with my wormy foster filly. Those worms do look like pinworm.

You've been doing the right thing by doing worm reduction tests 2 weeks after worming, but it sounds like further interim counts are needed and very probably more frequent worming.

 

[SEL]

5 day panacur helped me get on top of pinworm - Westgate were really helpful

 

[catembi]

Westgate are v helpful at identifying worms. I found some orange ones underneath some poo bags & sent some photos - they told me that they were non equine, which was a relief!

 

[Glitterandrainbows]

Pin worm my horse had the same thing invectermin got rid of them best

 

[winnie]

Def pin worm and they won't show up in a normal poo sample test - you need to do the "selotape" test for these. I was advised to use PEG 5 day and I seem to remember it took a while to get on top of the problem. You need to clean down anywhere the horses rub their bums too. Westgate will advise.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Id defo do a full 5 days of ivermectin, that should be enough to get rid

 

[dorsetladette]

Ok, so I've emailed Westgate this morning. Washed bums and put vaseline round. I'll grab some disinfectant and scrub the shelter later. Although as I said in the OP neither are rubbing their bums.

 

[Borderreiver]

Westgate will help never fear. You can also ring up and talk to a real person, very friendly and knowledgeable. They are good at unravelling these problems.

 

[dorsetladette]

West gate came back to me. Really helpful.

Worming with strongid-p double dose and then worm/egg count and selotape test in 8 weeks time.

Thank you for your help guys.

 

[dorsetladette]

Wasn't as straight forward as my previous post

Robin now seems clear - thank the lord (or whoever else will listen). But, 2 weeks after double dose of strongid-p Reggie still has worms in poos. Smaller but still there. So contacted westgate again who suggested to follow with a single dose of strongid-p as it appeared there were to many worms to clear with the double dose. 10 days after the single dose and still worms in poos so again spoke to westgate who said another single dose wouldn't hurt. So 14 days later we dosed again. We're now 2 days after last dose and have runny poos and worms.

for clarification we have done the following

double dose
21 days later single dose
14 days later single dose

Cleaning bum everyday and Vaseline applied.

I really hope this is the last dose he needs. If still seeing worms by the weekend I'm calling the vet.

 

[Birker2020]

Bailey had it in 2016 and it took a wormer followed 3 weeks later by Panacur Guard 5 day and two wormers up the bottom and three cycles of pinworm wash and selenium sulphide shampoo. When I say three cycles I mean three bottles of each over a targeted programme of 3 months. Its best to worm up the bottom as by the time oral wormer has got through the gut and reached the part where the pinworm live the wormer is so diluted down its useless although the Panacur 5 day seemed to fix it.

Cost me a fortune and the stress was unbelievable. One of the liveries was very rude and suggested I called the vet 'to deal with it' - up to this point I'd had the vet out about 5 times trying to come up with various strategies to deal with it. It was a nightmare, I'm convinced to this day she picked it up from being stabled at the vets, she moved yards on the Saturday, went to the vets on the Tuesday and by Thursday was scratching like crazy.

She used to go mad in the stable around dusk, she would be restless and her tail would start swishing around like she was really agitated and when you looked you could see the female worm come out to lay its eggs. It was gross. They look just like beansprouts and the gooey mess that the female leaves around the anus to get her eggs to stick looks like a bird has poohed on the area, its a white creamy colour substance. You can't mistake it.

They typically develop hair loss like this (not my photos), sometimes they scratch so much the delicate skin around the anus which is like tissue paper starts to flake away and exposes raw areas which I treated with sudocrem.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I have no idea if this makes sense but...

When you worm him, do you keep him in a separate area from the usual field? Usually when we've wormed in Germany we've kept them in or not on the main field for a day or two, and then put them back out. I suppose so the main "clean out" and expelling is done elsewhere and they aren't re exposed/exposed again to what was expelled?

I did see that you double dosed, so that should cover it, but I was going to say to really make sure that you are worming for or over (with Ivermectin this is OK) the horses weight.

I've also heard of putting Ivermectin directly on the bum for pinworms, but I'd research that a bit more/ask a vet.

I might have tried the doses closed together, maybe.