ForeverBroke_
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Sorry, I've got nothing to add to the OP's post but I do believe that PTS would be the best option.
But, god Chavhorse what a story
But, god Chavhorse what a story
"Worried about daghters horse" Update!
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Chavhorse
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Sorry, I've got nothing to add to the OP's post but I do believe that PTS would be the best option.
But, god Chavhorse what a story
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It is the one time in my life I let other people's opinions overrule my gut feelings never again.
Sorry, I've got nothing to add to the OP's post but I do believe that PTS would be the best option.
But, god Chavhorse what a story
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It is the one time in my life I let other people's opinions overrule my gut feelings never again.
hussar
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Haven't read all the posts on this thread but the OP's post and Chavhorse's confirm my belief that if several experienced knowledgeable people think that the best course of action is to put a horse down, then that probably is the right thing to do. Perhaps a rider with all the time and patience in the world, no dependants and good insurance cover could make something of this horse in the end - but better perhaps to be realistic, and acknowledge that persevering with a horse that might kill you makes no sense when there are so many nice horses out there looking for good homes.
Haven't read all the posts on this thread but the OP's post and Chavhorse's confirm my belief that if several experienced knowledgeable people think that the best course of action is to put a horse down, then that probably is the right thing to do. Perhaps a rider with all the time and patience in the world, no dependants and good insurance cover could make something of this horse in the end - but better perhaps to be realistic, and acknowledge that persevering with a horse that might kill you makes no sense when there are so many nice horses out there looking for good homes.
ladyt25
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Can someone please change the record with all this "treehugger" crap!! It is getting very tiresome and actually is meaningless.
If the OP doesn't want to get varying opinions on this matter then they shouldn't have posted on an open forum in an attempt to get people to make them feel better about having a healthy animal put to sleep!
Everyone assumes that the professional trainer mentioned is indeed that, some top trainer etc etc. None of us know or have seen the yard, seen the trainer or the horse and its behaviour. I know some 'professional' trainers who are quite frankly useless. I sent my pony to TWO different professionals since I've owned him to try and help him and me. BOTH of them failed and returned him, telling my mother they wouldn't put their daughter on him! Hmm, well 15 years later I still have him, he has been on loan twice to girls who loved him. It was a case of understanding his behaviour and how to deal with it.
People often describe behaviour as 'dangerous' when to others it's just horses behaviour and a bit of a quirk. All our opinions differ and to the OP - with respect YOU bought the horse YOU didn't seem to question why they reduced the price so much (I certainly would have done!!). Noone is suggesting you sell it on - that would be irresponsible and yes IF indeed this horse is the spawn of the devil then sure go with the PTS option. I just don't believe any horse is born nasty or vicious and the behaviour has generally been caused by human treatment or the horse being confused about where it stands in the heirarchy as its been moved around so much or was never socialised properly form the word go, so is behaving on the only way it knows and the way it feels safe.
Get it assessed by a person with more understanding of horse behaviour. I am no parelli/NH advocate BUT I believe there are snippets that could be taken from this.
At the end of the day you'll do what you'll do and to that I question why bother asking people on here for their views. My one question would be - how come your daughter loves this horse so much if its sooo nasty and dangerous? Personally a horse that was truly horrid would have scared me as a 16 year old so what makes her love it so much?
You are in Yorkshire, I can suggest a very good lady who could maybe advise you and could work with this horse but you don't seem to be open to this type of help.
I have had over 25 years experience with horses but I would no way consider myself an expert and I too have ridden many different horse. If I can't 'fix' a problem I will ask for help and I will not just ask one person's opinion.
So, do what you will do. I don't think anyone on here is going to change your mind whatever they say anyway.
It's just a shame (and angers me) that so many horses are ruined to start with, get passed on and are bought cheaply by people who overestimate their abilities. It happens far too often for my liking and the horse always gets the blame and pays the ultimate price.
If the OP doesn't want to get varying opinions on this matter then they shouldn't have posted on an open forum in an attempt to get people to make them feel better about having a healthy animal put to sleep!
Everyone assumes that the professional trainer mentioned is indeed that, some top trainer etc etc. None of us know or have seen the yard, seen the trainer or the horse and its behaviour. I know some 'professional' trainers who are quite frankly useless. I sent my pony to TWO different professionals since I've owned him to try and help him and me. BOTH of them failed and returned him, telling my mother they wouldn't put their daughter on him! Hmm, well 15 years later I still have him, he has been on loan twice to girls who loved him. It was a case of understanding his behaviour and how to deal with it.
People often describe behaviour as 'dangerous' when to others it's just horses behaviour and a bit of a quirk. All our opinions differ and to the OP - with respect YOU bought the horse YOU didn't seem to question why they reduced the price so much (I certainly would have done!!). Noone is suggesting you sell it on - that would be irresponsible and yes IF indeed this horse is the spawn of the devil then sure go with the PTS option. I just don't believe any horse is born nasty or vicious and the behaviour has generally been caused by human treatment or the horse being confused about where it stands in the heirarchy as its been moved around so much or was never socialised properly form the word go, so is behaving on the only way it knows and the way it feels safe.
Get it assessed by a person with more understanding of horse behaviour. I am no parelli/NH advocate BUT I believe there are snippets that could be taken from this.
At the end of the day you'll do what you'll do and to that I question why bother asking people on here for their views. My one question would be - how come your daughter loves this horse so much if its sooo nasty and dangerous? Personally a horse that was truly horrid would have scared me as a 16 year old so what makes her love it so much?
You are in Yorkshire, I can suggest a very good lady who could maybe advise you and could work with this horse but you don't seem to be open to this type of help.
I have had over 25 years experience with horses but I would no way consider myself an expert and I too have ridden many different horse. If I can't 'fix' a problem I will ask for help and I will not just ask one person's opinion.
So, do what you will do. I don't think anyone on here is going to change your mind whatever they say anyway.
It's just a shame (and angers me) that so many horses are ruined to start with, get passed on and are bought cheaply by people who overestimate their abilities. It happens far too often for my liking and the horse always gets the blame and pays the ultimate price.
Serenity087
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No one in this thread has ANY right WHATSOEVER to tell Getcape she cannot put her horse to sleep.
It is the decision of the owner and the owner alone. There is no law about having a veterinarian kill a perfectly healthy animal.
So what is wrong with having a perfectly healthy, but obviously very unhappy animal pts?
There are going to be thousands of happy, healthy horses starving to death this winter, and you're up in arms about one that the owner is willing to save it's suffering??
Really. Priorities, ladies.
Getcape, have you made a final decision yet?
No one in this thread has ANY right WHATSOEVER to tell Getcape she cannot put her horse to sleep.
It is the decision of the owner and the owner alone. There is no law about having a veterinarian kill a perfectly healthy animal.
So what is wrong with having a perfectly healthy, but obviously very unhappy animal pts?
There are going to be thousands of happy, healthy horses starving to death this winter, and you're up in arms about one that the owner is willing to save it's suffering??
Really. Priorities, ladies.
Getcape, have you made a final decision yet?
brighteyes
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<font color="blue">Everyone assumes that the professional trainer mentioned is indeed that, some top trainer etc etc. None of us know or have seen the yard, seen the trainer or the horse and its behaviour. </font>
I think you have to go with what the OP says and trust their judgement on this. They have spent money on the horse, they have tried to help it and now reached the end of their resources. It doesn't sound like a straightforward case to me. A friend of mine has pony who is a nasty little [****] on the ground (he'll have you with teeth or hooves as soon as look at you if you don't know how to go about it) but once you are on board, and in every other case, he is a schoolmaster. Before she got him, nobody could get near him and he'd lost his trust in humans almost completely. However, he has some very redeeming features and he is totally safe to ride (and handle if you know what you are doing and don't get lulled into thinking he likes you). People did this to him and he did come with a full history - even pics of him being born, so the blip was known and understood. Huge difference with the OP's horse.
If one of those who thinks they could sort this horse would like to step forward though...
I think you have to go with what the OP says and trust their judgement on this. They have spent money on the horse, they have tried to help it and now reached the end of their resources. It doesn't sound like a straightforward case to me. A friend of mine has pony who is a nasty little [****] on the ground (he'll have you with teeth or hooves as soon as look at you if you don't know how to go about it) but once you are on board, and in every other case, he is a schoolmaster. Before she got him, nobody could get near him and he'd lost his trust in humans almost completely. However, he has some very redeeming features and he is totally safe to ride (and handle if you know what you are doing and don't get lulled into thinking he likes you). People did this to him and he did come with a full history - even pics of him being born, so the blip was known and understood. Huge difference with the OP's horse.
If one of those who thinks they could sort this horse would like to step forward though...
My_chestnut_mare
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why dont you ask her if you can take the horse on? Seen as you have had the experiance with your horse
My_chestnut_mare
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I dont think getcape will post to let us know due to the tree-hugging arses.
Which is a shame.
Which is a shame.
jendie
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There are worse things that can happen to a horse than being PTS. If he has psychological issues that cannot be reliably overcome I don't think there is an option. You cannot sell him and unless you are prepared to keep him as a field ornament then having him PTS is the only responsible choice. Some animals, like some people, have mental health issues. You can help humans but you can't do much for dogs/horses and i f they are a danger they should be put down.
Flame_
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To all the people trying to change the OPs mind. How would you feel if you persuaded them to persevere, only for the horse to revert in a couple of months and to read a thread on here saying "worried about my daughter in intensive care"?
Chavhorse, you should have called it a day sooner.
To all the people trying to change the OPs mind. How would you feel if you persuaded them to persevere, only for the horse to revert in a couple of months and to read a thread on here saying "worried about my daughter in intensive care"?
Chavhorse, you should have called it a day sooner.
Munchkin
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Chavhorse, you should have called it a day sooner.
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I think they realise that, hence not posting about it sooner.
I recently had to make the same decision. I too am brave verging on stupid, and have a lot of experience with youngsters and so-called "problem" horses, in fact my passion, where some people love to jump/hunt/compete, is schooling and re-schooling them. This one was the only one I failed - and I made the decision before he killed me/someone else and/or himself. Personally I believe it should have made by someone before me, as he had been passed from pillar to post; it's sad for ME that it fell to me, but was just not safe.
Although it broke my heart, I know that I did the right thing, and while I'm upset that he's now in the big stable in the sky, it beats wondering who he's killed or which lorry to France he's on.
Nobody makes the decision lightly, if that were the case, this horse would be gone by now. I'm not made of money and I could have easily sold mine on, even to a dealer for a couple of hundred quid - yet I PAID to have this ended once and for all.
Yes, I do believe people messed my horse up before me. I do not believe that horses are "born bad" in 99.9% of cases. But when they are prepared to kill themselves or you in the process of arguing with you, I do think it is better their life than yours, or both.
Chavhorse, you should have called it a day sooner.
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I think they realise that, hence not posting about it sooner.
I recently had to make the same decision. I too am brave verging on stupid, and have a lot of experience with youngsters and so-called "problem" horses, in fact my passion, where some people love to jump/hunt/compete, is schooling and re-schooling them. This one was the only one I failed - and I made the decision before he killed me/someone else and/or himself. Personally I believe it should have made by someone before me, as he had been passed from pillar to post; it's sad for ME that it fell to me, but was just not safe.
Although it broke my heart, I know that I did the right thing, and while I'm upset that he's now in the big stable in the sky, it beats wondering who he's killed or which lorry to France he's on.
Nobody makes the decision lightly, if that were the case, this horse would be gone by now. I'm not made of money and I could have easily sold mine on, even to a dealer for a couple of hundred quid - yet I PAID to have this ended once and for all.
Yes, I do believe people messed my horse up before me. I do not believe that horses are "born bad" in 99.9% of cases. But when they are prepared to kill themselves or you in the process of arguing with you, I do think it is better their life than yours, or both.
ladyt25
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Noone is saying that 'maybe' having the horse PTS is maybe the only outcome. What I am saying is based on the facts that have been posted by the OP. A few of these being (from what I recall)
(1) They have had the horse 6 months.
(2) The owner (poster) has 10 years of horse experience.
(3) The rider is a 16 yo.
(4) The rider 'loves' the horse.
(5) The instructor cannot ride the horse/do anything with the horse and says it is dangerous and to have it PTS.
(6) The poster does not 'like' the horse.
I think that is a quick summary anyway. My response is
(1) 6 months is no time at all for a horse to settle with a new person, new routine, new yard, new horses and to establish itself in a pecking order.
(2) After 10 years of horse ownership you are not an expert (I am certainly not!)
(3) A 16 yo rider - however mature they may appear to be (no disrespect to the individual) does not generally have the patience or understanding that someone older and more experienced may do.
(4) I don't understand how the rider can 'love' the horse so much if he is truly as awful as is being made out?
(5) We have no idea who the instructor is, how old they are, what their experience is etc etc.
(6) Ah, so best option. let's just get rid eh!
Those are my points. I have suggested people in the area who may well be able to help the horse and the owner together - the poster has not contacted me for any further information. I would happily go and see the horse for myself I don't have an issue BUT I did not buy a horse for half the asking price (and not query it). If I felt the horse was actually not as dangerous as made out then yes i would offer to take it, i am not prepared to pay for it seeing as the other option is for the horse to die BUT I have not been given this option either.
The whole post just comes across as the OP having made a decision and they just want people to agree to make them feel better I'm afraid. Nobody (as far as I can tell) actually knows this person.
I am not sure at all why I am labelled a bunny/tree hugger (whatever that's actually supposed to mean) merely because I do not necessarily take whatever people post about their horse behaviour as gospel! I am sorry, there are far too many posts about horses and their 'awful' behaviour on this site which I feel are somewhat exaggerated. I read into it in a different way than the rest maybe.
I also would be happy to hold my hands up if I did meet this horse and that it was vicious, dangerous and very unhappy and say yes she's doing the right thing, but to condemn a horse based on what someone's posted isn't always the right thing to do.
And, My Chestnut Mare - There is my offer to the OP amongst my other offers. As I said, i am no expert i do not have experience with many problem horses (I have come across a fair few but I've not bought them!) I just believe a horse should be given a fair trial. I also find it odd that within such a short time the poster bought a 'replacement' horse. How long were they looking for that? Most people on here seem to struggle to find such 'perfect horses'.
Call me a cynic but I'm afraid I just don't see these types of posts as black and white as some and I don't think animal behaviour is black or white either.
Sadly I don't think there is anything that can be done to help this horse as the poster's clearly made up their mind before posting and i don't doubt that there will be similar posts that crop up in the future too.
(1) They have had the horse 6 months.
(2) The owner (poster) has 10 years of horse experience.
(3) The rider is a 16 yo.
(4) The rider 'loves' the horse.
(5) The instructor cannot ride the horse/do anything with the horse and says it is dangerous and to have it PTS.
(6) The poster does not 'like' the horse.
I think that is a quick summary anyway. My response is
(1) 6 months is no time at all for a horse to settle with a new person, new routine, new yard, new horses and to establish itself in a pecking order.
(2) After 10 years of horse ownership you are not an expert (I am certainly not!)
(3) A 16 yo rider - however mature they may appear to be (no disrespect to the individual) does not generally have the patience or understanding that someone older and more experienced may do.
(4) I don't understand how the rider can 'love' the horse so much if he is truly as awful as is being made out?
(5) We have no idea who the instructor is, how old they are, what their experience is etc etc.
(6) Ah, so best option. let's just get rid eh!
Those are my points. I have suggested people in the area who may well be able to help the horse and the owner together - the poster has not contacted me for any further information. I would happily go and see the horse for myself I don't have an issue BUT I did not buy a horse for half the asking price (and not query it). If I felt the horse was actually not as dangerous as made out then yes i would offer to take it, i am not prepared to pay for it seeing as the other option is for the horse to die BUT I have not been given this option either.
The whole post just comes across as the OP having made a decision and they just want people to agree to make them feel better I'm afraid. Nobody (as far as I can tell) actually knows this person.
I am not sure at all why I am labelled a bunny/tree hugger (whatever that's actually supposed to mean) merely because I do not necessarily take whatever people post about their horse behaviour as gospel! I am sorry, there are far too many posts about horses and their 'awful' behaviour on this site which I feel are somewhat exaggerated. I read into it in a different way than the rest maybe.
I also would be happy to hold my hands up if I did meet this horse and that it was vicious, dangerous and very unhappy and say yes she's doing the right thing, but to condemn a horse based on what someone's posted isn't always the right thing to do.
And, My Chestnut Mare - There is my offer to the OP amongst my other offers. As I said, i am no expert i do not have experience with many problem horses (I have come across a fair few but I've not bought them!) I just believe a horse should be given a fair trial. I also find it odd that within such a short time the poster bought a 'replacement' horse. How long were they looking for that? Most people on here seem to struggle to find such 'perfect horses'.
Call me a cynic but I'm afraid I just don't see these types of posts as black and white as some and I don't think animal behaviour is black or white either.
Sadly I don't think there is anything that can be done to help this horse as the poster's clearly made up their mind before posting and i don't doubt that there will be similar posts that crop up in the future too.
Tamba
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Noone is saying that 'maybe' having the horse PTS is maybe the only outcome. What I am saying is based on the facts that have been posted by the OP. A few of these being (from what I recall)
(1) They have had the horse 6 months.
(2) The owner (poster) has 10 years of horse experience.
(3) The rider is a 16 yo.
(4) The rider 'loves' the horse.
(5) The instructor cannot ride the horse/do anything with the horse and says it is dangerous and to have it PTS.
(6) The poster does not 'like' the horse.
I think that is a quick summary anyway. My response is
(1) 6 months is no time at all for a horse to settle with a new person, new routine, new yard, new horses and to establish itself in a pecking order.
(2) After 10 years of horse ownership you are not an expert (I am certainly not!)
(3) A 16 yo rider - however mature they may appear to be (no disrespect to the individual) does not generally have the patience or understanding that someone older and more experienced may do.
(4) I don't understand how the rider can 'love' the horse so much if he is truly as awful as is being made out?
(5) We have no idea who the instructor is, how old they are, what their experience is etc etc.
(6) Ah, so best option. let's just get rid eh!
Those are my points. I have suggested people in the area who may well be able to help the horse and the owner together - the poster has not contacted me for any further information. I would happily go and see the horse for myself I don't have an issue BUT I did not buy a horse for half the asking price (and not query it). If I felt the horse was actually not as dangerous as made out then yes i would offer to take it, i am not prepared to pay for it seeing as the other option is for the horse to die BUT I have not been given this option either.
The whole post just comes across as the OP having made a decision and they just want people to agree to make them feel better I'm afraid. Nobody (as far as I can tell) actually knows this person.
I am not sure at all why I am labelled a bunny/tree hugger (whatever that's actually supposed to mean) merely because I do not necessarily take whatever people post about their horse behaviour as gospel! I am sorry, there are far too many posts about horses and their 'awful' behaviour on this site which I feel are somewhat exaggerated. I read into it in a different way than the rest maybe.
I also would be happy to hold my hands up if I did meet this horse and that it was vicious, dangerous and very unhappy and say yes she's doing the right thing, but to condemn a horse based on what someone's posted isn't always the right thing to do.
And, My Chestnut Mare - There is my offer to the OP amongst my other offers. As I said, i am no expert i do not have experience with many problem horses (I have come across a fair few but I've not bought them!) I just believe a horse should be given a fair trial. I also find it odd that within such a short time the poster bought a 'replacement' horse. How long were they looking for that? Most people on here seem to struggle to find such 'perfect horses'.
Call me a cynic but I'm afraid I just don't see these types of posts as black and white as some and I don't think animal behaviour is black or white either.
Sadly I don't think there is anything that can be done to help this horse as the poster's clearly made up their mind before posting and i don't doubt that there will be similar posts that crop up in the future too.
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MY GOD, I couldnt have put it any better, myself. Full, and completley agree. Well summed up.Animal behaviour is not black and white. And I dont see how people can support a decision, when they havent seen the horses behaviour themselves, but merely going on a small piece of information typed on an internet site. No one knows what problem there is, or how easily it could be put right, without seeing the horse first hand.So I dont see how so many can support putting the horse to sleep.
Noone is saying that 'maybe' having the horse PTS is maybe the only outcome. What I am saying is based on the facts that have been posted by the OP. A few of these being (from what I recall)
(1) They have had the horse 6 months.
(2) The owner (poster) has 10 years of horse experience.
(3) The rider is a 16 yo.
(4) The rider 'loves' the horse.
(5) The instructor cannot ride the horse/do anything with the horse and says it is dangerous and to have it PTS.
(6) The poster does not 'like' the horse.
I think that is a quick summary anyway. My response is
(1) 6 months is no time at all for a horse to settle with a new person, new routine, new yard, new horses and to establish itself in a pecking order.
(2) After 10 years of horse ownership you are not an expert (I am certainly not!)
(3) A 16 yo rider - however mature they may appear to be (no disrespect to the individual) does not generally have the patience or understanding that someone older and more experienced may do.
(4) I don't understand how the rider can 'love' the horse so much if he is truly as awful as is being made out?
(5) We have no idea who the instructor is, how old they are, what their experience is etc etc.
(6) Ah, so best option. let's just get rid eh!
Those are my points. I have suggested people in the area who may well be able to help the horse and the owner together - the poster has not contacted me for any further information. I would happily go and see the horse for myself I don't have an issue BUT I did not buy a horse for half the asking price (and not query it). If I felt the horse was actually not as dangerous as made out then yes i would offer to take it, i am not prepared to pay for it seeing as the other option is for the horse to die BUT I have not been given this option either.
The whole post just comes across as the OP having made a decision and they just want people to agree to make them feel better I'm afraid. Nobody (as far as I can tell) actually knows this person.
I am not sure at all why I am labelled a bunny/tree hugger (whatever that's actually supposed to mean) merely because I do not necessarily take whatever people post about their horse behaviour as gospel! I am sorry, there are far too many posts about horses and their 'awful' behaviour on this site which I feel are somewhat exaggerated. I read into it in a different way than the rest maybe.
I also would be happy to hold my hands up if I did meet this horse and that it was vicious, dangerous and very unhappy and say yes she's doing the right thing, but to condemn a horse based on what someone's posted isn't always the right thing to do.
And, My Chestnut Mare - There is my offer to the OP amongst my other offers. As I said, i am no expert i do not have experience with many problem horses (I have come across a fair few but I've not bought them!) I just believe a horse should be given a fair trial. I also find it odd that within such a short time the poster bought a 'replacement' horse. How long were they looking for that? Most people on here seem to struggle to find such 'perfect horses'.
Call me a cynic but I'm afraid I just don't see these types of posts as black and white as some and I don't think animal behaviour is black or white either.
Sadly I don't think there is anything that can be done to help this horse as the poster's clearly made up their mind before posting and i don't doubt that there will be similar posts that crop up in the future too.
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MY GOD, I couldnt have put it any better, myself. Full, and completley agree. Well summed up.Animal behaviour is not black and white. And I dont see how people can support a decision, when they havent seen the horses behaviour themselves, but merely going on a small piece of information typed on an internet site. No one knows what problem there is, or how easily it could be put right, without seeing the horse first hand.So I dont see how so many can support putting the horse to sleep.
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
I repeat
<font color="blue"> I too think that PTS is the very kindest, most sensible course of action for a genuinely and irreparably damaged horse which is either a danger to itself and others or terminally in discomfort. It is also the hardest thing to settle with your conscience. After all, he'd be a perfectly fine horse if he was as they were intended - part of a herd running wild and without intervention or demands from humans. This is the part I personally struggle with - having to remove the horses who don't conform to our wishes or desires.
I wish you well in a particularly difficult situation with a decision you alone can make - I'd go with everyone else who says PTS if <u>professionals who know horses</u> tell you he is truly one of those who could <u>never</u> be rehabilitated. </font>
<font color="blue"> I too think that PTS is the very kindest, most sensible course of action for a genuinely and irreparably damaged horse which is either a danger to itself and others or terminally in discomfort. It is also the hardest thing to settle with your conscience. After all, he'd be a perfectly fine horse if he was as they were intended - part of a herd running wild and without intervention or demands from humans. This is the part I personally struggle with - having to remove the horses who don't conform to our wishes or desires.
I wish you well in a particularly difficult situation with a decision you alone can make - I'd go with everyone else who says PTS if <u>professionals who know horses</u> tell you he is truly one of those who could <u>never</u> be rehabilitated. </font>
reecebailey
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(1) 6 months is no time at all for a horse to settle with a new person, new routine, new yard, new horses and to establish itself in a pecking order.
(2) After 10 years of horse ownership you are not an expert (I am certainly not!)
(3) A 16 yo rider - however mature they may appear to be (no disrespect to the individual) does not generally have the patience or understanding that someone older and more experienced may do.
(4) I don't understand how the rider can 'love' the horse so much if he is truly as awful as is being made out?
(5) We have no idea who the instructor is, how old they are, what their experience is etc etc.
(6) Ah, so best option. let's just get rid eh!
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1) I know 6 months isn't a long time to settle. I hardly think this is due to him being unsettled.
2) Did I say I was an expert, ever? That comment was in response to someone quoting my "I know nothing about horses" which was in regard to riding one.
3) I know someone who is 16 is not the same as an adult, thats why several ADULTS and instructors have ridden him also.
4) Yes my daughter loves the horse. She isn't phazed by any horse she gets on, Boomer doesn't scare her. So as she isn't scared of him and he is her animal- why should she not love her pet? Also, why would I lie about the horse? I would not benefit, my daughter wouldn't benefit and the horse wouldnt benefit! No-one gains anything from me lying, which is why I have not.
5) The instructor knows my yard owner and worked with our old pony briefly (around 10 years ago) when he would do the RARE buck and rear. He no longer works as a trainer which I'm sure you will say something like he musn't have been good enough. But he is semi-retired (still works with the odd horse on the yard and around the area)
6) Again, you all repeat the "I don't like him" comment I made. Of course I don't like him, he is dangerous.
<font color="blue"> The whole post just comes across as the OP having made a decision and they just want people to agree to make them feel better I'm afraid </font>
The whole thread was actually an update about the horse as people had asked for it. At no point did I label this as a "should I put my horse to sleep" thread. It was an UPDATE! I don't need people to "make me feel better." It's a hard decision, yes, but if i wanted people to make me feel better WHY would I choose a forum of strangers when my friends could do that just as easily.
<font color="blue"> I also find it odd that within such a short time the poster bought a 'replacement' horse. How long were they looking for that? Most people on here seem to struggle to find such 'perfect horses'.
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We found the other horse by a total accident. My daughter was getting this horse ready to sell for his owner (owner was scared of him and he was unfit and green for his age) In this process of 2-3 weeks of riding him my daughter said she might like to buy him as they were getting on great etc. I also want to add, I had been encouraging her get a new horse because, as we have all established, I didn't like Boomer - he was dangerous. I also was planning to SELL Boomer, but people in real life and on the forum have all suggested PTS as an option.
<font color="blue">Sadly I don't think there is anything that can be done to help this horse as the poster's clearly made up their mind before posting and i don't doubt that there will be similar posts that crop up in the future too. </font>
OK, no way had I made my mind up about putting the horse to sleep. I didn't intend for this thread to be like this but this thread has made my mind up about the situation.
(1) 6 months is no time at all for a horse to settle with a new person, new routine, new yard, new horses and to establish itself in a pecking order.
(2) After 10 years of horse ownership you are not an expert (I am certainly not!)
(3) A 16 yo rider - however mature they may appear to be (no disrespect to the individual) does not generally have the patience or understanding that someone older and more experienced may do.
(4) I don't understand how the rider can 'love' the horse so much if he is truly as awful as is being made out?
(5) We have no idea who the instructor is, how old they are, what their experience is etc etc.
(6) Ah, so best option. let's just get rid eh!
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1) I know 6 months isn't a long time to settle. I hardly think this is due to him being unsettled.
2) Did I say I was an expert, ever? That comment was in response to someone quoting my "I know nothing about horses" which was in regard to riding one.
3) I know someone who is 16 is not the same as an adult, thats why several ADULTS and instructors have ridden him also.
4) Yes my daughter loves the horse. She isn't phazed by any horse she gets on, Boomer doesn't scare her. So as she isn't scared of him and he is her animal- why should she not love her pet? Also, why would I lie about the horse? I would not benefit, my daughter wouldn't benefit and the horse wouldnt benefit! No-one gains anything from me lying, which is why I have not.
5) The instructor knows my yard owner and worked with our old pony briefly (around 10 years ago) when he would do the RARE buck and rear. He no longer works as a trainer which I'm sure you will say something like he musn't have been good enough. But he is semi-retired (still works with the odd horse on the yard and around the area)
6) Again, you all repeat the "I don't like him" comment I made. Of course I don't like him, he is dangerous.
<font color="blue"> The whole post just comes across as the OP having made a decision and they just want people to agree to make them feel better I'm afraid </font>
The whole thread was actually an update about the horse as people had asked for it. At no point did I label this as a "should I put my horse to sleep" thread. It was an UPDATE! I don't need people to "make me feel better." It's a hard decision, yes, but if i wanted people to make me feel better WHY would I choose a forum of strangers when my friends could do that just as easily.
<font color="blue"> I also find it odd that within such a short time the poster bought a 'replacement' horse. How long were they looking for that? Most people on here seem to struggle to find such 'perfect horses'.
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We found the other horse by a total accident. My daughter was getting this horse ready to sell for his owner (owner was scared of him and he was unfit and green for his age) In this process of 2-3 weeks of riding him my daughter said she might like to buy him as they were getting on great etc. I also want to add, I had been encouraging her get a new horse because, as we have all established, I didn't like Boomer - he was dangerous. I also was planning to SELL Boomer, but people in real life and on the forum have all suggested PTS as an option.
<font color="blue">Sadly I don't think there is anything that can be done to help this horse as the poster's clearly made up their mind before posting and i don't doubt that there will be similar posts that crop up in the future too. </font>
OK, no way had I made my mind up about putting the horse to sleep. I didn't intend for this thread to be like this but this thread has made my mind up about the situation.
reecebailey
Active Member
Also, "Chavhorse." I am sorry about your horse
But thank you for posting as it does make you see what could happen to Boomer, which would be a lot worse.
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
<font color="blue"> And I dont see how people can support a decision, when they havent seen the horses behaviour themselves, but merely going on a small piece of information typed on an internet site. </font>
Indeed, but what if the OP is accurately portraying the situation - or even conservatively describing the horse's behaviour? They don't sound 'stupid' impulsive or irrational to me. I don't think they are taking any of this lightly, although as you say, they will not be the last person to hit a brick wall in a relationship with a horse. There are enough anecdotes on this thread to show not all damaged horses can be repaired.
Indeed, but what if the OP is accurately portraying the situation - or even conservatively describing the horse's behaviour? They don't sound 'stupid' impulsive or irrational to me. I don't think they are taking any of this lightly, although as you say, they will not be the last person to hit a brick wall in a relationship with a horse. There are enough anecdotes on this thread to show not all damaged horses can be repaired.