Worst lesson or instructor or school whats happened to you?

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I am not trying to get sued here but I have had some really awful lessons and instructors looking back. My experiences go from the downright dangerous as a child I was asked to stable a very large dangerous horse as he 'diddnt mind children just adults' me being a keen horsey child did as I was told! Luckily the horse was fine with me.
As an adult returning to riding from being a competitive teenage dressage rider and being a teacher myself I think I can recognise good teaching and well, just basic good manners.
Wishing to improve my basics following a long break I took lessons from a 'top local school'. As I progressed the character of the owner/teacher began to surface as I was warned by the other members of staff.... I was constantly given the reliable cob, despite riding several TB's, youngsters all with exhuberant characters for their owners. The cob was lovely but my request for a change was ignored. Their website boasted a range of top flight hanovarians and schoolmasters for advanced students, well I was in the advanced class for quite a while but this was not good enough and the reliable cob & I carried on. The final straw came when I decided to get my own horse and was told that my riding wasn't good enough to own a TB, this came on the end of a conversation as to if I was going to keep my horse at livery at their yard which I wasn't. The family are wonderful at self promotion everyone else being sub-standard their privileged child prodigy being adored by all or else! Well good luck to them, I won't deny the talent but the arrogance and rudeness I couldn't abide.
I went to another 'top school' paid extortionate prices to be treated as an inconvenience, lessons were late starting, finished early (even cut in half when it came to an hour lunge lesson which was contested by the tutor, luckily my partner was there and backed up my case, the lesson that followed again was cut short by a quarter, this we have on video.) I continued but on the next visit had my instructor get on another horse in the middle of my lesson so the vet could assess her horse, while trying to teach me at the same time. The other thing about that particular school was the fact that several lessons would happen in the same arena at the same time, very confusing and very tricky. The school was frequented by the very rich, references often made to footballers wives and the really wealthy who kept their horses on livery there. However this did not make all of them immune to public humiliation, degrading comments and nasty remarks. Again I left.
Another 'top school' was found this time I could not believe the appaling quality of the horses offered to ride. At a workshop they hosted I booked a horse to ride, I was given a 12:2hh pony!!!!!!! This is no joke, the school knew me (I'm 5ft 4'' 9st) , had ridden several times there before. My partner had turned up with a video camera, as a training aide to help me improve. Needless to say I banned all filming as we did our lateral moves and cantered about like a clown act from the circus. The school appologised and I was offered a 'much better horse' for my next lesson. This turned out to be a lovely looking but chronically arthritic ex showjumper. The teacher explained he 'took longer to warm up' than the rest and was prone to stopping without reason (pain probably) most of the lesson was taken up with 'warming the horse up', finally we started doing some more advanced work but it just felt cruel. I was praised for getting him to move better than they had seen him move for a long time - great I learn't zilch and schooled their horse for them and paid for the privilege.
For personal reasons I have had some time off from riding but rode a friends horse at the weekend and the bug is back, but now I face the dilemma of where to go for lessons?
Paying lots of money doesn't seem to guarentee you a reasonable mount, attention from the teacher, getting the time you booked or any sort of courtesy. I am not rude, demanding or deluded as to my ability nor will I stay and give money to people who have no respect for me, its laughable that these people thought I would. Has anyone else had experiences like mine - I can at least laugh about it now but really is it just me?!
 
Lol yep I have been to some shocking riding schools!!But I think you just have to try a few and don't go back if they mess you around!! Good luck :)
 
Where are you as someone on here might be able to recommend a local yard?

Most riding schools will start you off on a safe horse until they can assess your riding ability, if you don't stick at a riding school long enough from them to assess you on a weekly basis then they will always put your on their steady Ned's. No riding school should take the word of someone they have never met that they can ride as if something happened you might be on this forum slating the school for over horsing you.

Maybe the first school kept you on the cob as your not that good at riding and wasn't safe to ride their more experienced horses and maybe they were right that your not ready to own your own...just a thought?!

You have paid to ride at 3"Top Yards" maybe your idea of a top yard are different to others and they can see you coming and charge you more for your lessons? Maybe try a bog standard school with good honest horses that don't charge the earth...or maybe you can't be seen to be riding at a yard that hasn't got "Top" in it's title or hasn't been recommended by a footballers wife?!!?
 
Have you considered part loaning a horse (then you get to ride a horse you like) and then paying a freelance instructor? Also means you can swop and change instructors easily while you find one you like?
 
I think you have a point - another local 'spit and sawdust' yard gave me the best horse but not the best tuition. The owner trusted me to ride some really exhuberant horses and I really enjoyed it, but the tuition was in their own words 'agricultural riding', fine but not what I wanted.
I'd like to find a middle ground!
 
I'm sorry, this is going to sound harsh, but your post rings so many alarm bells for me...

I was told that my riding wasn't good enough to own a TB,

wish more RSs would encourage their clients not to over-horse themselves.

even cut in half when it came to an hour lunge lesson which was contested by the tutor

who the heck expects an hour lunge lesson? I agree with the instructor!

The other thing about that particular school was the fact that several lessons would happen in the same arena at the same time, very confusing and very tricky.

Not uncommon if the school's big enough and not a problem in my experience (granted my experience of RSs recently is mostly 2nd hand)

Another 'top school' was found this time I could not believe the appaling quality of the horses offered to ride. At a workshop they hosted I booked a horse to ride, I was given a 12:2hh pony!!!!!!! This is no joke, the school knew me (I'm 5ft 4'' 9st) , had ridden several times there before. My partner had turned up with a video camera, as a training aide to help me improve. Needless to say I banned all filming as we did our lateral moves and cantered about like a clown act from the circus.

This para smacks of terrible horse snobbery and pushes all my "red buttons" of anger

The school appologised and I was offered a 'much better horse' for my next lesson. This turned out to be a lovely looking but chronically arthritic ex showjumper. The teacher explained he 'took longer to warm up' than the rest and was prone to stopping without reason (pain probably) most of the lesson was taken up with 'warming the horse up', finally we started doing some more advanced work but it just felt cruel. I was praised for getting him to move better than they had seen him move for a long time - great I learn't zilch and schooled their horse for them and paid for the privilege.

You spent the lesson working in - you didn't school their horse for them. Yes, sometimes horses aren't all push button rides and they need a little work to get the best out of them. That's not limited to RSs, surely you know that if you're as experienced as you intimate?
 
Part loaning is something I'm considering for the very reason of getting a good horse and instructor. Thanks for that.

As for going for a 'top school' the reason is purely to get good tuition not to hob nob with footballers wives - thats not me the horse and tuition always comes first.

Again I don't believe I am deluded as to my ability, have helped several friends get their horses back into work and some spirited youngsters. However I believe I need lessons to improve there is always room for improvement! Always!!!!
 
Perhaps ask around and see who/where is reccomended by others?
I have found all my best trainers through word of mouth! Good luck :)
 
I'm sorry, this is going to sound harsh, but your post rings so many alarm bells for me...

Plus the whole continuing to work a horse you thought may be in pain thing... I work in a barn that gives lessons, and whilst I would never knowingly allow a lesson to go on with a stiff or sore horse, I would hope that if I rider thought there horse was sore they'd stop riding!
 
If I was paying money to have a lesson, I would not expect it to take half the season for the horse to loosen up, especially with comments about the fact that it sometimes stops for no reason, I too would question whether there was a pain issue.
There are a few of these fancy RSaround, who to be honest don't teach much. I have been to a few, and been disappointed, but not for a very long time. I remember turning up to one place to hack out, where they had ravedabut the quality of their horses,and I was unimpressed by anything I saw on the yard, although they were all reasonably behaved and turned out.
I must admit one of the ladies I had lessons with on my pony used to buy and sell a few jumpers, and she had a handful of clients who she used to teach on these, which I thought was a great idea.
I have heardsome dreadful stories of people who have been lured to top flight RS as working pupils, with the promise of lessons on decent horses, only to arrive to find that this isn't the case, so you are not alone in being misled.
Sadly poor instruction isn't limited to RS, one leading dressage rider near to me, apparently often spends most of the lesson not doing much, may get on the horse andride it without appearing to school it, or explaining what she is doing. She sometimes gives lessons on her own horses, when she then jocks the pupil off and rides, again without actually explaining what she is doing, which to me is quite strange.
In your situation I would look to share a horse, then get lessons, there are some wonderful instructors out there, but many of them don't teach at RS, and aren't BHS qualified.
 
Well I'm really being told, LOL!

How is being put on a 12.2hh pony (when I'm a 5ft 4'' 9st adult) snobbery?

So obviously its me - I'm over - horsing myself and can't ride for toffee.

I'll stick to the donkeys at the seaside.

Ignore the fact that at the end of the day I'm a customer paying for a service and let people treat me anyway they wish.

WHY WOULD A SCHOOL ADVERTISE AND SELL HOUR LONG LUNGE LESSONS IF THATS TOO LONG? I didn't ask for something they were not already offering.

Jeeze.......

At least some people can see that there are schools out there living on a name with a nice website with rude instructors charging the earth.

It sounds like some people have been very lucky and had great experiences everywhere they go.

I can't believe that everyone is so satisfied with what they have had and never thought 'stuff that I'm not going back and paying for that....!'
 
How is being put on a 12.2hh pony (when I'm a 5ft 4'' 9st adult) snobbery?

I'm 2 inches taller than you and happily school a 12.2 pony, she does most lateral work better than my 'real' dressage horse :rolleyes:

I don't understand what the issue is, you aren't too tall or too heavy, just having a fit because you think you deserve better? I think the previous poster is suggesting he snobbery is that you somehow think you're too good to ride the pony.
 
Plus the whole continuing to work a horse you thought may be in pain thing... I work in a barn that gives lessons, and whilst I would never knowingly allow a lesson to go on with a stiff or sore horse, I would hope that if I rider thought there horse was sore they'd stop riding!

Id like to think a good instructor will spot a stiff sore horse and pull it from a lesson, it shouldnt be left to clients who may or may not be able to feel the problem
 
Id like to think a good instructor will spot a stiff sore horse and pull it from a lesson, it shouldnt be left to clients who may or may not be able to feel the problem

I'm not a good instructor :p Just a groom who watches lessons, and yes would certainly hope so too, although a horse has never gotten into a lesson that shouldn't here. As devil's advocate though, I had an horse and just before I retired him I would 'feel' something was off, although even the vets said that they couldn't see anything wrong til he was scanned :(
 
I'm 2 inches taller than you and happily school a 12.2 pony, she does most lateral work better than my 'real' dressage horse :rolleyes:

I don't understand what the issue is, you aren't too tall or too heavy, just having a fit because you think you deserve better? I think the previous poster is suggesting he snobbery is that you somehow think you're too good to ride the pony.

Last lesson I had (on holiday so not ridden there before) I had an awesome 12.2 to ride, ex high level JA and was the most fun I'd had in ages. I'm also 5'4"

I've never had a bad experience really, though my original riding school certainly didn't suit everyone! H&S nightmare but you definitely learned stickibility :D
 
This wasn't meant to be a 'why not get your own horse' post but was trying to get anecdotes about riders less than happy experiences.

Horse loan does however seem to be the way to go.

I will also defend myself by saying that I would not deliberately cause pain to a horse, the stiff/arthritic ex showjumper for example and was questioning the instructor as to if he was 'right' while riding him not just plowing on regardless. I was assured he was ok just stiff and reluctant but diddnt feel right. I am not a cruel person.

I shall await the post to tell me how cruel, snobby and badly I ride without any of you knowing anything about me yet the judgements come......I wasn't asking for a critique, I am human and not a proffessional. I don't pretend to be.

As I first posted, it was just a thread to see if anyone had had any bad lessons/ experiences with instructors and if amusing then so much the better so much for the humour.....

I shall now retire and search the 'loan' ads.......
 
I have seen some god awful riding schools & instructors in my time, from cheap ones to expensive to a very well known equestrian centre without ever being a rs pupil, plus the dross turned out by them & some colleges. But I've also seen good too, & sorry from what you've said I'd agree with jftd. Incidentally regarding the pony riding, one of the ones I rode & jumped for my stage 3 was 13hh due to a lame horse & a last minute panic for something else suitable. Being about 8 stone I was one of two entrants light enough to ride it that day. I'm also 5'10 with 36" legs, so far more underhorsed than you were & jumping round a track strided for horses in an exam, with jockey length stirrups. I really didn't have an issue with it tbh, think ponies are fab myself.
 
P.S Can't resist just adding that the pony was great I am not anti pony, he was talented but I really did feel too big for him. Genuinely too big, my legs were way below his little belly. However he was really willing and yes he was fun and really did his best for me. I'm not anti pony, was suprised you rode one at 5ft 10'' but hey good for you!
 
Just to add I find it slightly odd that all 3 were no good. I'm quite a harsh critic of the level of instruction of some rs, but near me can only think of one terrible one. And another that isn't the best but for novice lessons on a budget serves the purpose. Another two are very good & the last is fantastic. Maybe time to look closer to home for the problem? On the whole I'd say the good outnumber the bad.
 
At one 'top notch' riding school I went to, I think I may have had about 5 lessons where someone didn't fall off. Thankfully it was never me, but bare in mind I rode there once a week for about a year.
To be fair, the horses were amazing, but I was a child and put on the ponies, who were scary! There was no hope for any of us to control these little gits. It wasn't just cheeky ponies, I could deal with that. It put me off riding, it really did.

It was also VERY snobby and the 'new kids' didn't really have friends. Leaving there was the best thing I ever did!
 
I'm not a good instructor :p Just a groom who watches lessons, and yes would certainly hope so too, although a horse has never gotten into a lesson that shouldn't here. As devil's advocate though, I had an horse and just before I retired him I would 'feel' something was off, although even the vets said that they couldn't see anything wrong til he was scanned :(

Yes a good rider will probably be able to feel this, but not all weekly RS clients will.
 
I have had some amazing lessons and shocking ones. Went through a stage of being put on the new horses every week, kind of a test dummy! Some fab some scary! But I learned to say what I was happy/unhappy with. To begin with I felt I had to ride whatever they told me to, but after a couple of horrible experiences I would say no thanks, I'm uncomfortable riding what you've offered. This was always as I felt over horsed, not down to size. I found they were very nice about it, as they want your business at the end if the day!
 
welcome to the lovely friendly forum that is HHo, Hanovarian heaven:D

have i ever had bad tuition? yep, where was it? college!! she'd never heard of constructive criticism, just criticism, she was the single reason i stopped riding when i left college, she had totally ruined it for me, was over 10 years before i got back on a horse.
 
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