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I have found what seems to be the most perfect youngster for sale, who is in my budget now because he had 2 little sarcoids removed from his chest in may (Just turned 3) i was told you cant even notice them now, He will be a potential show hunter and working hunter for me. Would this put you of?
 
I'm not sure. Personally I've read they can keep comming back. I don't know if removing them will leave a visable sign though? That may be a factor in showing.

I have read quite a bit into them and people tend to be put off from what I've read but I'd probably consult someone with knowledge such as a vet.
 
depends what type of sarcoid it is. I brought my TB x and she had a 'sarcoid' but it was just a floating lump and easily removed by a band, later we brought a cob, she developed the same, she was vetted for sale and the vet said she passed completely, he said that the sarcoid was not a problem because it was not 'attached' to the main body of the horse and could be removed. The chances of these coming back are very remote, My TB has not had it return and I have not heard that any further have returned on the cob (but she was sold so not sure) her current owner is on here and would be able to confirm that or otherwise, All that being said, if it was another type of sarcoid i probably would be put off.
 
Be very careful is all I can say. My boss bought a lovely show horse with 1 small wart and now he is covered in them and out of work as they are around his head, sheath and girth area.
I did some research as i was interested in a horse that had a few small warts on his sheath, there are 8 different types, some can drop off and others can grow to the size of tennis balls and need to be removed.
The horse i mentioned above actually had his operation to have the one in his arm pit removed for the second time in less than a year.
The sarcoid was cut out then the vet used liquid nitrogen to freeze the surface in an attempt to kill off the cells to prevent regrowth as to remove every bit of the sarcoid would be impossible.
If you want this horse for local level showing you could get away with leaving the sarcoids but if you are even thinking about having them removed think very carefully as once they get messed around with thats when the problems start.
If you can leave them then you may be ok.
Another point to mention is that after about the age of 5 the horse normally gets more of them and especially in the winter for some reason.
Some yard owners wont allow you to keep horses with sarcoids at their yards as they are actually caused by a virus and 1 in 10 horses according to my vet can develop sarcoids after being in contact with an infected horse, depends on the horses immune system.
The after care for my boss's horse is alot of work and not very nice to deal with, he doesn't seem to be in pain but is incredibly grumpy as his skin is so sensitive all over, the wound is yellow and puss has been coming out of it, it absolutely stinks and the poor horse has to be tied up constantly except to feed to prevent laying down and rolling as the wound must be kept clean.
I was debating whether to add pics of the after effects, they are pretty gory!
Will add if you like but it will put you off!
Not nice to go through, plus you cant insure a horse with them and the vet will pick them up if you get a vetting done. The cost of treatment is very high too!
On the plus side if you do go ahead with this horse the price should reflect the fact the horse has sarcoids, its just a big gamble to take.
 
If you intend to show, then i would be put off. Sometimes they reoccur which can be disasterous with the wrong timing for shows. But for other competitions or pleasure i wouldn't be too put off, but it would have to be a special horse to convince me.
 
I am afraid it would be put me off :( Sorry. Is this horse grey?

I lost a lovely old ex hunter to them in the end - melanomas all under his tail (even got flystrike one summer :( ) And spread to other areas - he was 16 when pts.

However I have also had another grey who had one large one between her front legs that was removed surgically and never got another - she lived to a very ripe old age in her 30's. :)
 
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Thanks for all advise. The horse is chestnut he is a cracking 3 year old RID and he is everything i want, as the sarcoid as healled well i am having him 2 staged if they are happy with what is there im going to take the risk :-)
 
Wouldn't put me off. It's one of those things, like anything else, that you can't predict how it will turn out, if at all.

My boy had one, I treated it myself & it's not come back. This was a few years ago now.

If he is right for you, then go for it :)
 
I personally would not buy a horse with any form of sarcoid, I know you get horses that barely suffer and it never becomes an issue as some have said, but they can be so nasty.

What I would advise though is to ring your proposed insurance company to see if buying a horse with a pre disposed condition will affect your level of cover. I am under the impression you would not get insurance cover for it, but could be wrong. Worth checking

Good luck though :) I am sure if all works out and you get this horse that you will lots of fun. Sounds like a great horse :)
 
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I wouldn't buy a horse with sarcoids myself. Have had to care for horses in the past that have suffered from them - horrific. I know there are many different types, and that some are more aggressive than others, but as you have not seen the type removed you have no idea which type of sarcoid this horse had.

When an insurance company is aware that sarcoids have been removed once they will not pay out again.

Once sarcoids appear in a tack area the horse becomes either unrideable, or requiring a considerable time for recuperation after removal.

Then you have resale issues.

If you are genuinely interested - when vetted ask your vet to find out about the sarcoids removed, and ask for a serious drop in price!!

I know many people have horses with sarcoids that cause no issue, or are successfully removed and do not reoccur, but I couldn't take on another horse with sarcoids having had to nurse others in the past :(
 
My boy had one on his shoulder when i bought him. I treated it with Hypercal cream (can get it from Holland and barratt) and a year on it still hasn't shown any signs of coming back.

There are many forms of sarcoids, Princes was just a hard lump. Some can bleed and cause the horse discomfort. Just ask the vet their opinion.

Good luck with the vetting :)


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I've known a lot of horses with sarcoids (am a firm believer it's a virus which can be passed on) and most have been problem free, even when there have been a few of them.

Feed something to boost their immune system, and if they come back, treat with bloodroot cream. Small, flat, warty ones would concern me a lot less than the ones with a neck or the more agressive weeping type.
 
It would put me off in such a young horse TBH I've seen before that as they age more and more seem to develop. Depending on type as said before it might not worry me so much in an older horse that I just wanted to jump, but for something to show and at that age then it would definently make me not buy the horse. Also I know a lot of people buy a horse as a lifelong friend have no intention to sell on at any point but I would be thinking about what if I was in a position I had to sell the horse, for every 1 person that might buy a horse with a sarcoid theres probarly another dozen that wouldn't and i couldn't take that risk.
 
I brought my mare 8 years ago, with full vetting etc and she had small sarcoids on her chest. she still passed fine though, the vet just flagged them up.
I used Ditton Cream on them for a few months I brought her in the Spetember) and then in November she was fully clipped including over the now dry, scabby tiny lumps of "sarcoid" and **touchwood** they have never come back. Not even a small sign of them.
I have shown her to county level, and competed all over the country etc and never had any problem.
I do recommend the ditton cream though :)
 
I have cared for a horse with a sarcoid and the vet did advise just leaving it as disturbing it could make it worse. If you plan to do ridden hunter I would say don't but for working hunter classes go for it I believe they should not be judged on lumps and bumps because they are inevitable. (should explain I know a sarcoid may mark down a WH but the scar left by one shouldn't)
I have to say with warts and sarcoids all the horses I've known with them has been a cracking horses but never tipped a certain market price. :mad:
 
I wouldn't. I have walked away after an expensive vetting due to a sarcoid sadly. I had a broodmare that developed them and it was an expenisive nightmare. Not worth it. Always on the one you really want though :rolleyes:
 
No but depends on situation.

My horse has a suspected sarcoid at his vetting (not my normal vet due to distance) which was noted. I thought it was more like a wart so I decided to risk it as I liked the horse is all other ways. I was happy to go with it and likewise when been examined later it was confirmed as a wart which has since been removed. However, your insurance will exclude sarcoids and any other form of lump so it has implications.

However, if there is indication of more than one sarcoid, I would be a lot more twitchy.

If you really like the horse and prepared to take a gamble (which it will be) make sure that the implications of sarcoid are known to the vendor and hence reflected in the price.
 
Get some advice from a good vet - sarcoids can be very nasty and some can form internally.

Personally - I wouldn't touch with a bargepole....
 
unfortunately on vetting asked to be checked and had started to form in side, so pulled out of sale :-( so back searching again - thanks for all advise
 
The trouble with pre-existing Sarcoids is that you won't be covered on your insurance should they reoccur and the trouble with sarcoids is that they are so unpredictable that you're playing a very risky game...

better to have found out now.
 
my horse 4 yo developed them after a year i had him treated with liverpool cream and theyve more or less gone within a week really pleased will feed thuja /herbal stuff ive herd a lot of people say they can develop them as youngsters then dissapear mine did start to dissapear a week before treatment :rolleyes: waited few months for diagnosis and cream so thought id go ahead anyway ive learnt a lot and they really are quite common ive learnt people just used to pass them off as warts years ago .You have to watch out for the flies as this obv if they are bleeding annoy the horse .Im quite happy with my boy though )
 
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