Would do put a horse to sleep...

Goldenstar said:
Would you put a horse to sleep or have you who has undiagnosed issues ?

Queenbee that was OP's question she does not qualify it she asked would you PTS a hose with something wrong with it where the issue was undiagnosed ?
It's easy to answer yes if you have done it and I have as I said done it twice , to somehow think that because I answered the question honestly somehow you have the moral high ground or a more responsible owner when you have no idea the circumstances of either horses situation.
OP has not asked us in any way what she should do or told us what she is thinking she has not asked for advice she asked us a staight question would we and have we.
OP is I think on a fishing expedition looking for views she is that postion when the thought first comes into your head .
I wish her luck as She deals with this .
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As do I, I in no way believe I have any moral high ground. I have and would say yes, but I would only do so after thorough investigation or a true belief that this was the best thing. In OPs case, perhaps it is, having read the other thread, it would seem that OP does not have the disposable income to be able to investigate on and on. I agree with her too that PTS, would be far preferable than selling on and that if she is unable to further investigate, for whatever reason, that PTS is a viable option and far more desirable than others. I know that with Ebony, if she had belonged to someone else, they may not have been able to afford as much investigation as I did and if another person owned her, they may have been able to spend far more than I did. It is a mine field and a tricky one at that. I certainly do not regret spending the money I did to find out that my horse was terminally ill, but one never truly knows until they have all the facts, on the flip side, sometimes we never know what the root cause is no matter how much time and money is spent. Personally, refering to the other thread, yes in light of what OP posted there, I would be investigating ulcers, if it were me. However it is not me, and everyone is different and only OP knows her horse. I am not judging the OP, and I have stated that Yes, I would in some cases, personally not in this one, not yet. I have a right to voice that opinion, and that is not because of my recent experiences, it is who I am. I have answered the question, but I also truly believe that peoples reasoning behind their answer may help OP in making a very tough decision.
 
Goldenstar said:
Would you put a horse to sleep or have you who has undiagnosed issues ?

Queenbee that was OP's question she does not qualify it she asked would you PTS a hose with something wrong with it where the issue was undiagnosed ?
It's easy to answer yes if you have done it and I have as I said done it twice , to somehow think that because I answered the question honestly somehow you have the moral high ground or a more responsible owner when you have no idea the circumstances of either horses situation.
OP has not asked us in any way what she should do or told us what she is thinking she has not asked for advice she asked us a staight question would we and have we.
OP is I think on a fishing expedition looking for views she is that postion when the thought first comes into your head .
I wish her luck as She deals with this .
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Furthermore GS, I do not think that you are any less responsible than I am, where on earth did I state that? I merely stated that in response to this thread I didn't think that a mere yes or no, was as helpful as outlining your reasoning behind the answer, neither did I ask for specifics on why you had two horse PTS, that doesn't bear any significance to the thread. I merely stated that, sometimes just a yes or no is not as helpful and that the people that were further explaining their answers did not need chastising or being told they were wrong to do so :(
 
Yes but both were obviously beyond help, the vet just couldn't come up with a definitive diagnosis.
One had had an op for a rectal prolapse 2 weeks prior but we didn't know why, then after a pretty good fortnight she rapidly went downhill. The other foundered but again she had been visited by the vet for 3 months for skin problems and foot abscesses. The vet never could tell me what was wrong.
 
Yes, it really isn't possible to get to the bottom of everything, I believe that a good percentage of horses who have been diagnosed with a, b or c problem probably have x, y and z other problems as a result of/which caused the diagnosable problem and/or are totally unrelated problems but no less there. Vets stop looking once they have one diagnosis to give you and the insurance money and time is often up before you know the horse isn't fixed.
 
Yes, if it was suffering or a Danger. Had a friend who at 15 years old (at the time) bought a beautiful Arab mare. It proceeded to put her in Hospital at the time. It was put down straight away so it would never have the chance to injure anyone. Seller got taken to Court.
 
Actually a proviso on my previous post. I have a very good relationship with my vet and would never have an animal put to sleep if he didn't agree to it (never been in this situation with a horse, but I've done some animal rescue for many years so been through it a lot with them).

Usually we're both at that point at the same time, a handful of times I've had to be told 'time to stop trying now' and once I've said 'I know there's more we can try, but she's very old and got very thin and don't think it's fair', and once I've been ready to give up and been told 'no we can get him through this'.

I have been known to ask advice on forums, but generally it's just between me and my vet.

Paula
 
Don't worry im not planning on doing this.. Yet

But when explaining my situation to people i've had so many say PTS :eek:

She is becoming dangerous now and has become so agressive towards other horses i fear for there safety..
but i still want to get to the bottom of it but i dont want her to be in pain for longer than neccessary? (if this is pain related)

I really am miffed as i wrote this earlier on and forgot to press send..
I rode her tonight and she was her ploddy old self.. :confused: i think im going grey....

However i think i may be closer to a diagnosis as i read on a v.old post about feeding a hay net prior to riding helps with ulcers.. i did this tonight ;)

Also ive invested in Agnus castus which apparantly is amazing it should be here by Tuesday:)
 
i think if im correct in the horse you are talking about then there must be something that can be done as horse was fine for so long before.


As for hay net before feeding it sound likes ulcers.
The feed helping to settlle the acid in the stomach.
 
JG - I really hope that you can solve your lovely little mare's problem and wish you all the luck and vibes that I can. From your posts and the way that you have described her through everything (from the beginning when you found out that she was in foal etc...) it really does sound as though something is causing the behaviour change in her. I'm really glad that she was good when you rode her tonight. Could she have individual turnout (next to other horses) for a while?
 
OP - I've just followed the link to your other post.....I don't know if this is the horse you are talking about or whether you are just asking in general, but my little mare was seen mounting another mare in the field - she also produces milk and is generally hormonal. This can be symptoms of a granulosa theca cell tumour. My filly has also been scanned, and the scan was normal, so my vet phoned the vets at the labs at Newmarket who have suggested getting blood tests done to see whether there are high testosterone levels. If so, then there is another test that can be done (it has to be sent to California for testing!) which would confirm or not whether there is a granulosa tumour there. They have to start somewhere and they don't go from nothing, to completely huge overnight. The symptoms you are describing could just be the very start. An initial blood test will be about £40. If it turns out that there is a tumour, you are covered under your insurance.
 
jessikaGinger said:
Don't worry im not planning on doing this.. Yet

But when explaining my situation to people i've had so many say PTS :eek:

She is becoming dangerous now and has become so agressive towards other horses i fear for there safety..
but i still want to get to the bottom of it but i dont want her to be in pain for longer than neccessary? (if this is pain related)

I really am miffed as i wrote this earlier on and forgot to press send..
I rode her tonight and she was her ploddy old self.. :confused: i think im going grey....

However i think i may be closer to a diagnosis as i read on a v.old post about feeding a hay net prior to riding helps with ulcers.. i did this tonight ;)

Also ive invested in Agnus castus which apparantly is amazing it should be here by Tuesday:)
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OP, as I have said in another post and as you have said to your vet, it is you, who knows your horse. I remember I that I bought a horse that I knew was troublesome and potentially dangerous for a pound, she was sold for no profit and now has as good a life as she could hope for, she is loved, she is competed and she is still poorly, I was lucky as I happened upon her exact partner who I know revolves her world around her two horses. This mare was the best mare to handle, and there were good days with regards to riding, but my god, the bad days, I have never seen any horse with such bad days, unfortunately this horse had been parrellied to death as well and it was not something that I was familiar with, I only thank god that I found her new owner or she would have been PTS, she was that dangerous and undiagnosed. In this case, we did believe it to be behavioural, despite past back problems, these had been fixed and she had been given the all clear, in years to come we were to find out about a traumatic start to life, heart breaking handling and a horrific accident, all of which led to her problems, but I could not fix her, the only thing she would respond to was parrelli and learning was not something I could do with such a traumatised horse. Without her new owner approaching me, in that instance, with all my possibilities exhausted, yes, I would have PTS. Her new owner, was on the other hand tres parrelli and could communicate with her in a way that was clear to the horse, and over time they started to make progress. Whatever the outcome with you and you're mare, as long as you work within the reams of what is possible in your circumstances, then you will be ok. Take each day as it comes, and prioritise your safety. There are so many options available to us sometimes and it can be so hard to choose which one is right at any given point. Take a step back, breath and asses, you seem like you have your head screwed on, and you want to do the best, whatever that may be.

Good luck x
 
I just (sort of) did....

My horse has regular colic/ulcer bouts for months (18 months of not rightnss tho)!

at the end ofit - she still wasnt well...had crappy bloods and wasnt improving... i know there was something else that hadnt beeen found....but money and quality of life dictates and i lost her.

I did everything i could beforehand though....scopes/blooods/rest/companion EVERYTHING. but sometimes thats not enough.

so in answer to your question; i would if i had physically tried everything in my power (and bank!).... i wouldnt if i hadnt given it my best shot and tried siple things first .






ets - OP just a haynet for suspected ulcers isnt enough! try gastrogard and scoping for a clear answer! ulcers are awful things....trust me i know.!
 
It may be advisable, if you have not already had PM's regarding ulcers to start a separate thread relating to this, although my mare did not have this, it was a strong possibility at one point and I received some great ideas and direction on here. AC? chaste berries, are not palatable and not well eaten, I thought they were primarily for cushings as I recall but I do know my mare wouldn't entertain them! There is a video on you tube about palpating for ulcers in a horse and it is widely recognised as a trusted method for confirming suspected ulcers. there are many topical remedies that you can use, slippery elm is one that I recall off the top of my head. Or the vets can prescribe Gastrogard, although this is pricey and its diagnosis in the form of treatment, and does not diagnose hind gut ulcers. There is also a supplement (another poster on here could provide you with the link to this) which is effective on hindgut ulcers. Finally, you can buy over the counter drugs should you wish to diagnose in a similar way to gastroguard treatment but at a fraction of the price... again I cannot recall the name of these but someone will provide it no doubt.

There are so many options with regards to ulcers, and as I recall your mare was in foal recently, although I am not sure if you investigated hormones or a course of oestruss or something like that, but there are many, moderately priced avenues that you can venture down and as I said in my other post I wish you all the very best and hope you can solve this. If you need more info, I am sure I can troll through my PMs and give you the names of some H&H posters who really helped me with regards to ulcers.
 
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