Would this be irresponable breeding?

[bhpride]

Only out of interest re post having horse put to sleep and the opinions of indiscrimate (can't spell) breeding got me thinking.

Would it be considered irresponable to EVER breed from Tia?

She's a 14.2 Welsh x Arab x Exmoor + god knows what. I've been told she has good conformation/no issues although her back a little long.

I'm asking really because of her temperament, she has a one in a million temperament and anyone whos met or rode her can vouch for that. Incredibly genuine and easy to do in every way, can be ridden by beginner to experienced, looks after and cares for her rider. She's safe schoolmistress and all rounder basically - jumping, flatwork etc. No ridden/stable vices etc etc, could feed her 100 treats and she'd never bit.

In regards to the foal, what would I do with it? No idea, this is def not something I'm seriously planning, just curious lol in a perfect world I'd keep it for myself.

Be gentle

! thank you

 

[jrp204]

If shes as good as she is why risk her by putting her in foal, theres always a risk and seeing as you have no particular 'need' for a foal I would save your money and if you want another horse, buy a ready made one.
And, there may be a throw back to the viscious, mental great great grandmother!! lol

 

[Lyndz]

I don't think so, other people may see it as just another cross breed and is there enough of those out there, but i have an arab cross welsh and she's great, wouldn't be without her!

 

[wizzi901]

I wouldnt bother breeding from any of mine unless I had something really really special and known breeding lines. If you dont know whats in there to start with you dont know what on earth you are going to get out!!

 

[bhpride]

no plans to breed, asking out of curiosity

One pony takes up enough of my time and money let alone with any foal

 

[bhpride]

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I don't think so, other people may see it as just another cross breed and is there enough of those out there, but i have an arab cross welsh and she's great, wouldn't be without her!

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That's pretty much along my lines of thinking. Although she is wonderful there must be 1000's just like her out there

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[Silverspring]

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I wouldnt bother breeding from any of mine unless I had something really really special and known breeding lines. If you dont know whats in there to start with you dont know what on earth you are going to get out!!

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I agree with this, I would only breed from known blood lines and only if the horse was extra special and had something to offer that you couldn't find in the market. Though I wouldn't say it was irresponsible to breed from a horse of unknown parentage if it was sound of mind and boy

but finding a quality home could be more difficult so their future is maybe slightly less certain?

I sometimes wonder if people feel that since they have a mare - and she has a uterus - they should make use of it. If the horse were a gelding they'd just accept the horse for being brilliant and not worry about never passing on this all the fab traist and confo. If only they could geld mares when they are little then we would have less trash floating around the horse market

 

[Lyndz]

Irresponsible breeding to me is breeding from something that has confirmation issues that would lead to problems in later life!

 

[TheresaW]

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Irresponsible breeding to me is breeding from something that has confirmation issues that would lead to problems in later life!

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Agree with this. There is no way on this earth I would consider breeding from my gelding if he were a mare.

 

[Tnavas]

Why would you worry so much about known bloodlines?

If you chose to breed a pony, and her conformation, action and temperement are good then why not? Choose a stallion to compliment her and produce a lovely pony.

I breed from my Clydesdale - she is a treasure and I spend almost a year finding the right stallion for her. She has bred me two fantastic foals one by a Holsteiner and one by a TB.

Breeding lines mean very little to be honest. Just because you can trace the ponies bloodlines doesn't mean it will produce a top foal!

 

[Silverspring]

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Why would you worry so much about known bloodlines?



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Because I like to have an idea of what I'm buying before I buy it, I would go to see a pure Clydie thinking it will be well mannered, quiet, comfortable ride but no huge scope to jump. I might not find exactly what I was expecting but chance are I'd be close. I go to see a pure Arab I would expect a small horse, light build, flighty and prob not the easiest ride...again I might not be spot on but I'd probably be close.

There are always exception to a breed type but generally if you know about the breed then you have an idea about what it will and won't do.

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Breeding lines mean very little to be honest. Just because you can trace the ponies bloodlines doesn't mean it will produce a top foal!

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Agreed but you can plan a top foal from the right blood lines and have a much higher chance of it being a star IMO.

I see breeds as labels on a tin, I wouldn't go to the shops and buy a tin without a label in the hope that when I got it home it would turn out to be something I liked.

 

[Fazzie]

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Irresponsible breeding to me is breeding from something that has confirmation issues that would lead to problems in later life!

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completely agree with this, and tia has got good confirmation as you said and if you wanted to breed you would want to keep the foal then I think its completely up to you. I bred Fazzie, watched her being born etc and we have such a close bond, shes 20 this year, its really lovely to watch them growing up, breaking them in, showing them new things etc

 

[lexiedhb]

I have and probably will never worry about bloodlines... if everyone did we would eventually end up with serious inbreeding! Give me a heinz 57 with great confo/ temperament over a poorly conformed "known" bloodline any day of the week!

 

[Silverspring]

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I have and probably will never worry about bloodlines... if everyone did we would eventually end up with serious inbreeding!

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You'd only end up with inbreeding if you never crossed known breeds. I can only imagine how many thousands of recognised breeds and stud books there are on the planet, with god knows how many mares and stallions registered and graded with them.

You would not end up with inbreeding if you were striving to breed one quality known breed with another quality know breed based on temprament of each individual horse and the expected breed traits.

There is a reason why so many top horse are warmblood with pink papers, that is known selective breeding over at least a hundred years to produce a useful, quality horses that so many people now own.

 

[bhpride]

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If you chose to breed a pony, and her conformation, action and temperement are good then why not? Choose a stallion to compliment her and produce a lovely pony.

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She ticks those boxs, three good paces thanks to the bit of arab

a cob with arab legs or so I've been told lol

 

[Hippona]

If you plan on beeding a mare, and are uncertain of whats in the mix, as it were.....then you can never be sure whats going to pop out, even if you have taken the time to find the perfect stally......

Genetic, I'm afraid......you could be expecting all the best qualities of your mare, and then the rogue genes from a grandparent pop out and you end up with an oddly shaped/confo'd horse of a most bizzare colour......

With bloodlines at least you can be more certain of the outcome, but even thats at the mercy of biology....

 

[lexiedhb]

Ye but I assume "most" people if they were going to the trouble of having "known" bloodlines would want pure breds, NOT cross breeds-

 

[Hippona]

Aaahhh...but many so-called pure breeds have in their history other breeds haven't they?

 

[lexiedhb]

Yes I know that, alot of breeds nowadays are made of of bits of other breeds from the past......... BUT unless you were going to make it your lifes work to produce a "new" breed, then I think "most" people, going to the trouble to do serious research into bloodlines, would want a pure bred Welsh D, TB, whatever

 

[Hippona]

No.....I dont intend to create a new breed LOL!

I would want a pure-breed if I was going to the trouble of researching blood lines ye......for example my boy is PBA...for my next one I would like a purebreed and I would research which lines were likely to produce chunkier arabs rather than the weedy sort....

God knows we would never breed our mare, the contrary madam.....absoloutely no idea what would come out, but most likely it would have horns....

 

[Silverspring]

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Ye but I assume "most" people if they were going to the trouble of having "known" bloodlines would want pure breds, NOT cross breeds-

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Really? Most people I know that care about bloodlines and spend time pondering the breeding all own WB's or a 'Sporthorse' which are be definition cross breeds only with fancy pink papers.

 

[Silverspring]

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God knows we would never breed our mare, the contrary madam.....absoloutely no idea what would come out, but most likely it would have horns....

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If you could breed a horse with horses I'd buy it, just for the novelty value really

 

[MontyandZoom]

How much does temperament come from the parents? I often wonder about breeding from Zoom......she is the nicest most willing horse i have ever known. She has great confo too but is about a hand too small......i just wonder how likely it is the foal would be the same lovely disposition if I chose a kind stallion.

 

[martlin]

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I only ever breed out of mare with proven parentage and graded, using only graded stallions. IMO that is the right way to do it, it doesn't guarantee a decent outcome, but increases the chances.

 

[Silverspring]

The best place to ask would be breeding

I'm not expert on bringing up youngster. From the little experience I do have (mainly of my own mare who has had 3 foals before I got her) I wouldn't say the temprament was guaranteed from the mare.

My girl is a hot headed pure bred Arab who weaves, box walks and is just generally a nervy animal. She was crossed with TB's every time and all three babies have grown up to be rather laid back sports horse types. None of them weave or fret really, they do have the hot blood temprament but not so much so as a pure bred Arab or TB would have.

 

[Annagain]

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Yes I know that, alot of breeds nowadays are made of of bits of other breeds from the past......... BUT unless you were going to make it your lifes work to produce a "new" breed, then I think "most" people, going to the trouble to do serious research into bloodlines, would want a pure bred Welsh D, TB, whatever

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Not necessarily. I love Section Ds and would love another one but i'm 5'8 and would have to find a pretty big one to take me - however (theoretically speaking) if I were to cross one with a larger, maybe slightly more laid back breed (ID?) I think I'd get the sort of horse I'd like, a nice chunky one with the mental and jumping abilities of a D but the more laid back attitude of an Irish Draught. I'm thinking of calling it a Celtic SportsHorse!! Of course you could get the mental ability of an ID and the attitude of a welshie and that would be disastrous!! Careful research of bllodlines though could help you get the best of both. There's a lot to be said for mixing breeds - how many top eventers are crossbreeds?

 

[sidesaddlelady1]

You haven't really given a good reason for breeding from this mare (or anyother mare for that matter).

Go to any sale and you will see perfectly sound, unwanted foals going for single figure prices to meat men. Probably bred because someone had a pretty, nicely behaved mare and thought she'd produce a nice foal.

Breeding even one horse involves expense, work and worry and should never be done unless you have a VERY good reason for it.

Sorry if this offends anyone but I feel VERY strongly about the indescriminent breeding of foals.

 

[Janah]

Don't forget the stress and strains this will put on your mare, you may even lose her.

I have bred a labrador bitch and not all straight forward. Good outcome however. I decided I would'nt do it again as we had 'got away with it'

Unless you are prepared for loss of dam and or foal don't do it.

Jane

 

[Tnavas]

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Why would you worry so much about known bloodlines?



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Because I like to have an idea of what I'm buying before I buy it, I would go to see a pure Clydie thinking it will be well mannered, quiet, comfortable ride but no huge scope to jump. I might not find exactly what I was expecting but chance are I'd be close. I go to see a pure Arab I would expect a small horse, light build, flighty and prob not the easiest ride...again I might not be spot on but I'd probably be close.

There are always exception to a breed type but generally if you know about the breed then you have an idea about what it will and won't do.

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Breeding lines mean very little to be honest. Just because you can trace the ponies bloodlines doesn't mean it will produce a top foal!

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Agreed but you can plan a top foal from the right blood lines and have a much higher chance of it being a star IMO.

I see breeds as labels on a tin, I wouldn't go to the shops and buy a tin without a label in the hope that when I got it home it would turn out to be something I liked.

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Clydesdales can jump! - mine has jumped out of her paddocj very cleanly as a yearling. Her current foal who has a TB dad has twice now jumped over the gate, once when I was holding her for the farrier!

One of the NZ Olympic showjumping team horses (Spain) was a Clyde cross. My Clydie has fantastic paces, covers ground has elevation and great extension - you do need to wear ear muffs though as she has big feet!

 

[Silverspring]

I know full well that a Clydie cross has a massive scope to jump but a pure bred is clearly never going to make it to Grade A. If I wanted a showjumper I wouldn't go and look at a pure bred Clysedale is what I'm saying. Maybe they can jump the odd one off high fence but then so could my Highland pony, didn't mean he could do a whole course of 3'6" jumps though just the one with the wind behind him and a big run up