Would this REALLY carry x2 16.2 horses safely?

Virgin media comes up with a dangerous page warning for that link !!!!!

If it is a 3.5 tonne horsebox van then it is very very unlikely that it will legally take the weight of two 16.2 horses along with the driver and all the other kit

Even less likely with a passenger as well
 
I'd love to have one of these types of vans to ferry my horse about in, but she's 16.2 and I cannot imagine she would fit! Let alone two of her size. Really???
 
Spyda said:
I'd love to have one of these types of vans to ferry my horse about in, but she's 16.2 and I cannot imagine she would fit! Let alone two of her size. Really???
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Physically fit = ok in most cases
Legally = super unlikely if 2 but ok if 1
 
ROG said:
Virgin media comes up with a dangerous page warning for that link !!!!!

If it is a 3.5 tonne horsebox van then it is very very unlikely that it will legally take the weight of two 16.2 horses along with the driver and all the other kit

Even less likely with a passenger as well
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It's only a copied link to an ebay listing page. If you want to look it up manually, it's listing 281036426440. But yes, it's a 3.5T van box. Even if it took the weight, is there enough head room and space for large horses in one of these.? I've always thought they were more for ponies or small horses, say up to 15.2 max. I park next to a similar sort everyday at the yard and no way would mine fit into it. *Scratches head*

Maybe me and OH should go have a look since it's close to us.
 
miss_c said:
Well I wouldn't put my two in it, before even taking into account the weight limitations!
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How about one, though? For me, it would be really convenient to have something like that, instead of the 4-wheel drive and trailer it's always so difficult to park up safely.
 
My big 16.2 ID (alone) arrived in one of the 3.5t vans. He seemed quite happy and had enough space. Although I dont know about that particular van, ive certainly not seen the conversion done in that model before.
 
In my experience looking for a box, 3.5t generally have a payload of 1t or 1300kg if it has had something extra done to the box. One 16.2 prob ok but I calculated that I would safely be able to put a 14.2 and a 16h along with stuff and passengers. Weight certificate would be good when u buy
 
Spyda said:
How about one, though? For me, it would be really convenient to have something like that, instead of the 4-wheel drive and trailer it's always so difficult to park up safely.
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4X4 will cope with most terrains but a 3.5 van is unlikely to be able to so that is a big consideration
 
Spyda said:
How about one, though? For me, it would be really convenient to have something like that, instead of the 4-wheel drive and trailer it's always so difficult to park up safely.
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miss_c has a 3.5 t that I would happily travel mine in, it looks in slightly better nick than the one featured ;) but also won't carry 2x16.2s
 
ROG said:
4X4 will cope with most terrains but a 3.5 van is unlikely to be able to so that is a big consideration
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It's very important if you always going to show centres and the like with hard standings the van will fine as soon you start wanting to park on verges or fields a 4x4 wins hands down .
 
Our box is a 2.5 tonne Vauxhall Movano van conversion.

It's the long wheel base, hi top version.

If I had to, I could probably fit 2 16hh horses into it - but I wouldn't choose to. And I certainly wouldn't be happy doing so. Mine is MUCH newer and has been fully refurbed.

A few points to consider:

Height - ANY problems loading or whilst travelling, straight away they'll be bashing into things. And that's if they fit, and although they might in my hi-top, I don't think they would comfortably in this one.

Width - no one seems to take into account, that these boxes are no wider than a normal van - two reasonable size 16hh would be a bit squished!

Weight - most of these vans are built to take 1200kg. You'd quickly get up to at least 1000kgs with x2 16hh horses - no way you'd get tack and driver and passengers in under 200kgs.

Re-enforced boxes - I know someone who has a similar box to mine (but posher!) and has paid a fortune to have it re-enforced for their 15hh horse and 13hh pony - they still are not comfortable with it. The re-enforcing material adds weight. The engine and rest of mechanics are still the same. Yes, you can go as far as altering the engine etc... but you'll never add as much power as you need. Add bad weather, or dodgy ground to that, and well....you choose not to go out as much :(

Condition - the box looks a little "tired". Nothing wrong with that, and they always have a few more miles to go. But you have to scale back all the limitations a bit to allow for wear and tear.

The above box - nice for a pony, maybe a friend as well occasionally. But 2 16hh horses?

No way. I wouldn't.

In my opinion. :)
 
Spyda said:
How about one, though? For me, it would be really convenient to have something like that, instead of the 4-wheel drive and trailer it's always so difficult to park up safely.
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ester said:
miss_c has a 3.5 t that I would happily travel mine in, it looks in slightly better nick than the one featured ;) but also won't carry 2x16.2s
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What ester said. I have a 1.1t payload on mine and only take on of the girls at a time now Titchy has grown up! When she was a baby I would take them both (15hh Welsh D weighing 540kg) and yearling Titchy weighing not much at all. The only time I have travelled them together recently is when I was moving yards 10 min drive away, and then it was just horses in there, myself and monkeybum13 who is very slightly built.

I am very particular as to what I will travel my horses in - I flat out refuse to use trailers, and I wouldn't put either of them in that.
 
I would never carry 2 x 16.2hh in a 3.5 ton. Even if it were legal - I don't think they are built to handle that sort of weight and you have to think of the braking power etc with that weight in it. These are uprated vans at the end of the day.
 
The vehicle does not have sufficient payload to carry two 16.2 hand horses, driver, haynets, feeds tack etc.
These vehicles (effectively a converted van) are not nor ever were designed to carry animals. Animals have the potential to move their weight while in transit and unbalance the vehicle.
 
I have a 3.5 ton box and mine is a van with a box attached to the back so has huge amount of head room and space, my 16.3 mare fits with oodles of space, yet i would never carry two horses in it as just isnt safe but perfectly fine for one horse. which i only ever travel anyways..

On the one occassion an emergency rescued 2 pointers from the side big road near us and took them about 3 miles up the road to safety, they fit in space wise, had nothing in other than horses and just me single passenger and i would never want to do again!! travelled perfectly fine but you could certainly feel you had them in, if your only buying for one is fine, or if 2 smaller horses might be okay!! defo agree with weightbridge ticket though!!
 
I have a pretty new one of these. I travel my 14hh cob in it who is small and stocky. It works for him fine.. However you need horses that are ameanable to loading and travelling otherwise 1) you can't get them in. 2) you can't keep them in 3) you can't more them into the sideways position very easily.

I imagine it would be very difficult to get the second horse in without moving out again as you were moving down to shut lower ramp.

Weight wise they are generally better with what they can carry then the wider more traditional horse box.

Word of warning.. On the one occasion under desperate circumstances I had to collect a friends racehorse, she loaded and quickly became very irrate. Although she wasn't even rearing up the moment of her too-ing and fro-ing was rocking my van so much I thought it was going to tip over. I have never been so scared in my life and did not think she would come out alive. Once we started moving however she calmed and actually had a really good journey in it as they are very low so prob feel stable/grounded to a horse.

It may we as they are narrow they feel more likely to rock, or when you in a 4x4 you would be detached to trailer shuddering, I don't know.


I love my box '53 conversion. get to travel anywhere alone and can camp in it. horse happy to stand in it in the rain, got good ventilation as many windows etc but for me I'd only ever travel horses I knew travelled really steadily as I would never want to go through the feeling I had that day again.

Hannah
 
I have one of these, albeit a much newer one, my 15.2 is fine in it, but I don't think I would put anything taller in it. I also won't even carry another one the same weight as her, let alone two both bigger and I have a big payload for a van conversion as there is nothing in the back apart from the horse bit, no cupboards etc to add weight. There are people on my yard who have the coach built versions of this (which generally have less payload free due to the extra weight of box) and travel 2 big horses regularly but I am sure they are overweight.

As an aside to those who say they wouldn't use one......my mare travels better in this than in any other vehicle, including my friends very expensive new 7.5t new conversion, as she prefers to travel backwards rather than forwards or herringbone.

When I buy a second horse (mine is getting to the age where she might want a quieter life) it will be 16.2+ so I will be taking a C1 test and getting a bigger lorry as I don't think there are any 3.5t that legally carry 2 decent sized horses.
 
Amandaco2 or - don't suppose you know what weight you are with the two horses by any chance? I have chunky 14hh and I always think he is about 450 so with haynet and tack/kit I think him and his stuff is prob about 600, then I think a person and stuff is prob 100 (I'm not massive but think best to be over in guessing) so I think if horse, plus two people and dog is 800/900 so I'd only be able to carry say a 12hh pony - but maybe I'm over guessing on everything's weight. I've got a newer van of the type in this post, so think I've got a reasonable payload, think 1300

Or anyone that's actually weighed a cob on an actual bridge or scales.. Maybe throughbreds don't weigh like the heavies, just wondering if I'm being crazily cautious on weight?

Sorry original poster, don't mean to hijack post, I'm just interested?

Good luck, its stressful box hunting. Polly from Travel Two helped me as I was having massive worries about horses jumping over so actually can option means if they do, they've got a strong door that may not break straight open then you can stop and get them out.

Thank you
Hannah
 
Not two 16.2's. Not safely or legally I bet (but don't quote me on that lol). For me, nothing over 15.2 and if there's two, both ponies.
 
Not unless they're the Kate Moss and Naomi Cambell of the horse world after a 3 month extreme diet and a week of sauna sessions.
 
I have a new-ish 3.5 renault master, rear facing and it is an excellent box- in all respects- but I'd never travel 2 x 16'2 in it?!! You've certainly got the height inside if you travel one but for two I think 15'2 max for a comfortable, safe trip. Like others have said you've only usually got 1200kg so for me, two welsh section Ds its perfect and I can still fit in my gear and a passenger- just!
 
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